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Hi all I'm wondering if you're anybody can help me
I'm looking to do a search where the kings of Israel did evil are good in the side of the Lord
I'm interested in finding out how I can do this if anybody can help please
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This may be a case where you would want to try 'Smart Search' in the web app (if you are an early subscriber to Logos Max or Pro). From this, you could read the list of results to fact check and maybe even transition to some precise searches to insure you have collected a full list and references. You could reverse it for when they followed God.
There may be another way to construct this search, perhaps starting with a list of Kings, but when I am not sure this is where I often start with Smart Search to get me going.
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For comparison, I gave Smart Search a compound query. I am not sure the 'good' list is that strong in this answer. To compare, you can use Smart Search or Precise Search to generate a list of resources which provide lists of the Kings of Israel. It is not a perfect technology, and is mainly a launch point for further enquiry.
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Or you might find this search string ("right" OR "did good") AND "eyes of the Lord" helpful in a Bible Search
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That's a very good explanation. It would be nice to have a Syntax or something to make it easier.
But this is a very good solution
Thanks 👍
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I played with a precise search, but you need to check your results and which versions you use. For example, here are two that vary with 'good AND right', - one is in the sight of God, the other is good, right, and true before Yahweh.
You will definitely need to check the results to insure that the hits are comprehensive, which is why I started with Smart Search unearthing a bunch of examples.
If it was me, I'd probably create a list in a spreadsheet or something, and work my way through all the kings, citing references. That is of course if you want to comprehensively cover them all in regard to your study objectives.
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that's very good. I can search both or other words like it. in one search. I did a couple of exact searches before but always felt I was missing some.
thanks again for your help
this is very useful
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ill do that its a search I want to do for a while .
this is very good help
I think the ai feature is Kina perfect for this search
it can figure out what I am looking for.
thanks for the reply
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Berechiah said:
It would be nice to have a Syntax or something to make it easier.
Unfortunately, the primary problem is outside Logos' control. The conversion of natural English language into proper logical expressions is the most frequent cause of problems. For example (and I apologize for using your example, Donovan) the condition "which kings of Israel did good or evil in the sight of God?" literally includes all kings of Israel who had one or more actions that were not neutral in God's judgment. But what it actually wants is something more like "which kings of Israel does Scripture describe as doing good in the sight of God and which kings of Israel does scripture describe as doing evil in the sight of God?" What you are wanting is an overall evaluation of their reign and an expressed evaluation (good/evil) of it. One doesn't need to express the search argument in precise, logical computerese but one must give the computer a reasonable chance of guessing what you really meant. That is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to converting natural English into a precise English for a search argument.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Using my typical method of right-clicking examples to see what tagging I can leverage, I notice that the kings are generally tagged with "regent." A search for regent:(role:king) is probably good enough, but for completeness, I noticed that you can restrict it by the region where they ruled. This is ugly, but logical:
regent:(role:king AND (region:place:"Judah (kingdom)" OR region:place:"Israel"))
This finds anyone who is a regent with the role of king as long as they are also tagged as being the regent of Judah or Israel. The reason for region:place:"Israel" is that "region" is a subset of the regent tagging, and place: is what pulls up the datatype for Israel the territory rather than the person or the nation. So that search will find all of the kings of Israel and Judah (barring tagging errors, like Asa being tagged in 2 Chronicles 14:1 but not 14:2).Next, I want to find every evaluation of the kings. Unfortunately, there is no universal tag for something like "assessment." So I wanted to find some other terms. When I right click "right" in 1 Kings 15:11, I see it is given the sense of "uprightness." When I open the Bible Sense lexicon, I find out that "uprightness" is listed as a section under "morality." So now, my search is
regent:(role:king AND (region:place:"Judah (kingdom)" OR region:place:"Israel")) NEAR sense:"morality"
[the quotation marks are not strictly necessary for a single word, but it is probably a good habit]
I notice that this misses the negative assessments, so I find one of those (1 Kings 15:26). When I right click "evil" there, I find out that it is tagged as "evil (behavior)". In the Bible Sense Lexicon, that is a section of "wrongdoing", so I will add sense:wrongdoing to my search.
regent:(role:king AND (region:place:"Judah (kingdom)" OR region:place:"Israel")) NEAR (sense:"morality" OR sense:"wrongdoing")
This search finds a few results that the other ideas miss (like 2 Kings 21:9, although Manasseh is found in 2 Kings 21:6). It does have some false positives (like 2 Chronicles 29:19), but I think that generally it is pretty good.Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
Using my typical method of right-clicking examples to see what tagging I can leverage
This is a great example of how to build a complex search Justin - thank you.
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Graham Criddle said:Justin Gatlin said:
Using my typical method of right-clicking examples to see what tagging I can leverage
This is a great example of how to build a complex search Justin - thank you.
Also, a great example of going from natural English to a logical search argument.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I was wrong, there is actually a very easy search. literaryTyping:"Regnal Resumé"
Knowing that, the best thing to do is to go to the Bible Browser, sort by Literary Type: Regnal Resume and then go by pericope.I made a video demonstrating the process in case the written directions are unclear, and when I was recording it, I noticed the tagging I had previously not seen. Even if it was dumb in this particular search, I think that learning to use the Bible Sense Lexicon (or Louw-Nida numbers) to construct searches is useful.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Justin Gatlin said:
Using my typical method of right-clicking examples to see what tagging I can leverage, I notice that the kings are generally tagged with "regent." A search for regent:(role:king) is probably good enough, but for completeness, I noticed that you can restrict it by the region where they ruled. This is ugly, but logical:
Bravo! I went tag diving and gave up. This is outstanding.
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MJ. Smith said:
For example (and I apologize for using your example, Donovan) the condition "which kings of Israel did good or evil in the sight of God?" literally includes all kings of Israel who had one or more actions that were not neutral in God's judgment.
This is a fair point. I could not figure out how to use natural language to cover all eventualities. My approach was to build a list of all the kings, segment them with search results which were obvious, then conduct searches on each King to finish and verify the List. Brute force and not very elegant!
@Justin rocked it with his tag dive. I need to spend more time learning to utilise this part of the software I love a community challenge like this because it accelerates learning. I mentioned a few weeks ago it would be a great community builder to have a challenge of the week to see how each other uses the software.
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Justin Gatlin said:
I made a video demonstrating the process in case the written directions are unclear, and when I was recording it, I noticed the tagging I had previously not seen.
I just watched your video. I was blown away. Great stuff Brother!
Thank you!
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Thanks all... i didn't get a change to look. But ill look this evening when I get time. ill let ye know.
God bless
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Roy said:Justin Gatlin said:
I made a video demonstrating the process in case the written directions are unclear, and when I was recording it, I noticed the tagging I had previously not seen.
I just watched your video. I was blown away. Great stuff Brother!
Thank you!
Agreed. The video was very helpful!
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Wow this is some explanation
thanks for the time taken ill look over it over the next weeks and even apply it to other searches I want to do.
you sir are a pro at logos.
Glory to God for your understanding
its a Wonderfull program and the knowledge and input ill definitely use for many other searches in the future.
even that right click option to further investigate what is being talked about and the bible sense to know the root of the word to broaden or look down a certain chain of words or similar meanings
thanks again
God bless ya!
ps I wish some day ill have a place as big as yours to do all my studying
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Thanks for the input
I will try all these avenues
I am kinda learning the basics of logos so I am gaining new skills all the time
many thanks i
I appreciate the input
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well this is true. I don't know anything when it comes to the details but its going in the right direction
its deep stuff
thanks for the help I do appreciate it
I am trying to digest all the info in the mist of life...
enjoy your weekend
God bless
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Great video Justin. Thank you for sharing this with us. I will be exploring more searches like this![Y]
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