Important announcement: Verbum launch date
If you’ve been with us a while, you may be accustomed to Verbum launches happening on the same day as Logos launches.
But this year, launch is happening a little differently. We’ve modified our traditional launch schedule since we are rolling out such large-scale changes across our business.
Our main Logos launch will happen on October 21, 2024. We recommend you sign up for our live event to learn all about what’s new.
However, the new Verbum offerings will launch a few weeks later on November 11, 2024.
We appreciate your patience (it is a virtue, after all!), and we’re confident you’ll love what’s coming.
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It will be easier to budget waiting until November, but I am curious about why it is a different date.
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The move to subscription is more complex than our previous release cycles have been. There are more moving parts, and more demands on the various teams. Staggering the release was necessary for the benefit of those teams.
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Will there be unique features/perks for Verbum vs. Logos, and if so, will users be able to cost effectively combine a Logos and Verbum subscription so that we have all the features available across both?
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Kiyah said:
will users be able to cost effectively combine a Logos and Verbum subscription so that we have all the features available across both?
No - Logos has not heard the pleas for this and seem unwilling to reconsider despite the negative impact on the major ecumenical seminaries like GTU Berkeley.
Kiyah said:Will there be unique features/perks for Verbum vs. Logos,
I don't know but at a minimum, the current differences are continuing. I don't understand why they give themselves the additional cost rather than making it simply a matter of skin and resources to keep the extremist in each camp happy. Remember the old joke of touring heaven and in one section having to be silent because that group thought they were the only ones there? That's how I wish Logos the company thought of the Logos/Verbum -- silence being sufficient to divide the products.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hi
I have Logos 10 and Verbum with all upgrade features
Verbum 10 Academic Professional
Logos 10 Disciple Premium
Logos 10 Counseling Premium
I don't quite understand the subscription but I have early Pro for logos 10
What happens now for the Verbum ? Features do I have to have another subscription
It's getting very confusing
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Michael G Parry-Thomas said:
Hi
I have Logos 10 and Verbum with all upgrade features
Verbum 10 Academic Professional
Academic Professional comes with the Verbum 10 Full Feature set, so you'll get the best price for the Verbum subscriptions when they are released in November. You will have to subscribe to get the new features they've developed, as they are now part of a subscription model.
Or you can just keep what you have. You won't lose what you already own. You will continue to receive bug fixes for free.
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TL Putnam said:
However, the new Verbum offerings will launch a few weeks later on November 11, 2024.
When will we learn more about the Verbum offerings?
Peace,
KSC
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MJ. Smith said:
I don't know but at a minimum, the current differences are continuing. I don't understand why they give themselves the additional cost rather than making it simply a matter of skin and resources to keep the extremist in each camp happy. Remember the old joke of touring heaven and in one section having to be silent because that group thought they were the only ones there? That's how I wish Logos the company thought of the Logos/Verbum -- silence being sufficient to divide the products.
If what you are saying is to go to one engine that is identical for both products, then I agree. The differences currently as explained in another post are really minimal.
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Kiyah said:
Academic Professional comes with the Verbum 10 Full Feature set, so you'll get the best price for the Verbum subscriptions when they are released in November. You will have to subscribe to get the new features they've developed, as they are now part of a subscription model.
And here, I thought I was being stupid to buy both FF's. I wonder what will happen to multi-lingual Logosians.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
And here, I thought I was being stupid to buy both FF's. I wonder what will happen to multi-lingual Logosians.
Only one tradition allowed, only one language allowed I guess.
Thus saith Logos: "How long halt ye between two opinions?" ..."Choose you this day what ye will install..."
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Kiyah said:
Only one tradition allowed, only one language allowed I guess.
I love it - this means I can limit my Bible to Aramaic ... I might even be able to memorize the whole Bible!! (Hey, memorization is not my forte.)
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you for the valuable info.
I would love to know if Verbum subscribers will be able to purchase Logos Libraries, and vice-versa... I have done so since the academic packages first came. And Logos Researcher is looking really good. [:D]
Regards.
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Yes, no problem with that - it works as it always has.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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If I buy a Logos library with the extra discount for a first 2025 library, will I be able to get a discount for the first Verbum library as well?
Also, I have been on the early access subscription for Logos; if I find I cannot afford two subscriptions and so switch to Verbum subscription, will the legacy start date be when I switch or when Logos launched?
Like many here, I have both Logos and Verbum. Paying a full subscription for both would probably be less economical than it was to get the full features of both (which, IIRC, only became different a couple of editions ago, but I could be wrong about that).
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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That sounds good. Thanks.
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Can we get a Verbum Live Launch Event? Something like...
"Here we are at the apostolic see, our guest today is the Pope. His holiness will cut the ribbon and we will then go into our Verbum changes!"
Smile [:)]
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[:)] From your lips to God's ears.Dave Gifford said:Can we get a Verbum Live Launch Event? Something like...
"Here we are at the apostolic see, our guest today is the Pope. His holiness will cut the ribbon and we will then go into our Verbum changes!"
Smile
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TL Putnam said:
The move to subscription is more complex than our previous release cycles have been. There are more moving parts, and more demands on the various teams. Staggering the release was necessary for the benefit of those teams.
Verbum and select Logos Language lines share in the November 11th launch.Will there be a separate launch event for Verbum that we can register for?
EDIT: Oops, just saw that someone else asked about a launch event. Although I didn't see a real answer...
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Hi All,
We wanted to share an important update regarding the launch of our new subscription for Verbum. Originally, we had planned to go live on November 11th, but recognizing that this day is a national holiday in the U.S., we’ve decided to move the launch by one day. This means the new release date will be November 12th.
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Nooooooooo....[:D]
I am very much looking forward to it. Sure would be nice if you would start dropping some hints and clues of what we can expect. [;)]
Peace and all good.
KSC
“Let us begin, brothers, to serve the Lord God, for up until now we have done little or nothing.” St. Francis of Assisi
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The changes are outstanding and exciting. I use Verbum but have signed up already with a Logos Pro annual subscription. Will I be able to set up an "official" Verbum subscription? Thanks for all your good work!
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We were assured we could transfer from Logos to Verbum but as of now we can't have both sets of features i.e. one and only one subscription.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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TL Putnam said:
Verbum and select Logos Language lines share in the November 11th [12th] launch.
I'm looking forward to lots of fake-subscription sign-ups ... Verbum and Logos too!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Given that it is a holiday, was looking forward to have a day of leisure to test drive it.
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David Krug said:
Given that it is a holiday, was looking forward to have a day of leisure to test drive it.
The quote above was before they changed the launch to the 12th. So, your leisure day may anticipate the excitement.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Joseph Valentine said:
Will I be able to set up an "official" Verbum subscription?
You will be able to switch to Verbum but not to have both as many of us are used to.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Why is this? As long as I can have all the Verbum features in my Logos I really don't care but it makes no sense to not be able to have both if you want to.MJ. Smith said:Joseph Valentine said:Will I be able to set up an "official" Verbum subscription?
You will be able to switch to Verbum but not to have both as many of us are used to.
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I wonder why there is no information on the Verbum homepage about the new launch?
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Hi All,
I didn't know about this new subscription model development with Logos/Verbum. I was planning to buy a Verbum 10 Platinum and just few minutes before my purchase I was told that a new subscription model will be launched. So, I postponed my purchase. Did I make a mistake? Should I have bought the Verbum 10 platinum, before the scubscription model kicks in?
Joe
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Joe Antony said:
I didn't know about this new subscription model development with Logos/Verbum. I was planning to buy a Verbum 10 Platinum and just few minutes before my purchase I was told that a new subscription model will be launched. So, I postponed my purchase. Did I make a mistake? Should I have bought the Verbum 10 platinum, before the scubscription model kicks in?
I think you can still buy it.
You've got less than a day to complete the purchase. That's going to be the last chance to buy an "owned" Verbum edition.
Whether owning or renting is better seems to be a matter of personal philosophy... You'll find countless threads about that here in the forum.
To cut the price for the platinum package, you can google for a 10% partner discount coupon - and trigger a Logos trial subscription to get an additional 5% discount.
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Joe Antony said:
Hi All,
I didn't know about this new subscription model development with Logos/Verbum. I was planning to buy a Verbum 10 Platinum and just few minutes before my purchase I was told that a new subscription model will be launched. So, I postponed my purchase. Did I make a mistake? Should I have bought the Verbum 10 platinum, before the scubscription model kicks in?
Joe
Do you already own the Verbum 10 feature set? Are you a new customer or an existing user? If you are a new user and you want to take advantage of the last chance to own features instead of renting them, you should buy this before the launch tomorrow morning. If you already own a Verbum 10 feature set, you should only by this if you want this precise combination of books in a library. Otherwise, there will likely be new 2025 Verbum libraries available for sale tomorrow which you can purchase with the subscription.
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Hello Kiyah. Thank you for your reply! Unfortunately, I think I missed the chance to buy a fully owned Verbum 10 feature set in time. I couldn’t check this message sooner. I wonder if purchasing now would allow me to fully own the Verbum 2025 libraries and whether they will continue to work even without a subscription.
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Joe Antony said:
Unfortunately, I think I missed the chance to buy a fully owned Verbum 10 feature set in time.
I still can put a Verbum 10 package into my cart on verbum.com - you might be able to buy if you do it right now.
Joe Antony said:I wonder if purchasing now would allow me to fully own the Verbum 2025 libraries and whether they will continue to work even without a subscription.
You will fully own the Verbum 2025 libraries, period.
They will continue to work without a subscription, sure.
You will only be able to buy them as a subscriber - a free trial subscription or a subscription of any level for just a month (if this works like last time, it will suffice to have that in your cart, but then what's a one month subscription payment against the rebate in a library).
Have joy in the Lord!
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I tried to purchase Verbum 10 Platinum, but the cart automatically added Verbum 10 Diamond instead. It seems Platinum 10 may no longer be available. My only option now is to hope that the library package equivalent to Platinum in Verbum 2025 will offer a similar number of resources and maintain the same or better pricing plans.
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Joe Antony said:
I tried to purchase Verbum 10 Platinum, but the cart automatically added Verbum 10 Diamond instead.
That's weird. I could put it into my cart with no issue at all (logged out, since I own it):
I assume you already own Verbum Gold so have the Full Feature Set, which will give you the subscription discount?
Have joy in the Lord!
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No. I do not own anything as of now. I just use the free version. I wanted to invest in Verbum 10 platinum.
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Joe Antony said:
No. I do not own anything as of now. I just use the free version. I wanted to invest in Verbum 10 platinum.
They still haven't changed the website. You still can buy Verbum 10 Platinum. Try again. I still can add it to my cart.
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Hi, Kiyah! I tried several times. I can find Platinum but when I add it to the kart, What I see is Verbum 10 Diamond. That is way too expensive for me!
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The site just changed! Looks like the launch is about to start!
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The delay is really unfortunate. I had time yesterday that I could have looked at the product, compared subscriptions, etc. Now I don't have time until this weekend, at the earliest (if even then!)...
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a-a-a-nd....
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Now it says to check back at 9:00am PST
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Verbum 10 packages have already been removed from logos.com.
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Patience is a virtue---today's lesson!
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"A Verbum website is never late, nor is it early. it goes live arrives precisely when it means to." [;)]
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