Native support for Windows on ARM
bradley.grainger
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Release a version of Logos that runs natively on ARM-based Windows 10 devices, such as the Surface Pro X.
Emulation of Windows x64 apps is not currently supported on ARM64, so Logos doesn't run at all. Even when it is supported, a native ARM64 version should be faster.
Emulation of Windows x64 apps is not currently supported on ARM64, so Logos doesn't run at all. Even when it is supported, a native ARM64 version should be faster.
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Microsoft's plans for emulation: https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2020/12/10/introducing-x64-emulation-in-preview-for-windows-10-on-arm-pcs-to-the-windows-insider-program/0
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I recently invested in a Microsoft Surface Pro X and was informed by its Support that the Logos cannot be installed on the Pro X, due to different operating system. Will there be any possibility of that being possible in the future. I have a Logos 9 account.1
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@bradley-grainger can you give an ETA for releasing Logos 9 for Windows 10 ARM-64?0
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@ppainter1958-88 There is no ETA. The status of this suggestion will be updated to "In Progress" when it's being worked on, and "Done" when it's available. (FWIW this suggestion currently needs a lot more customer feedback in order to be prioritised. It sounds like Windows 11 is going to provide an adequate emulation solution, so we will be recommending that for now.)0
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@bradley-grainger I too just bought a Surface X (after using Logos in my Surface 7 for years). I was shocked to discover my new surface (which I upgraded totally so I could improve my logos performance) doesn't run logos...0
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You need to release ARM based installers for Windows. You have done this for Mac, so why not Windows?1
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Any updates on this? I have a surface pro x, and running logos 10 free is extremely slow and very difficult to use. I think windows on ARM will become more prevalent, and designing for ARM would be preparing for the future. Please help!0
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I would also love to see native Windows on ARM support as Microsoft had ARM Devkit and likely more coming.0
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Is there any update on how to use logos on an arm based procesor for windos?0
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We need support for windows 11 on ARM64. My windows 11 on Arm is emulating the experience and it is causing Logos10 to be laggy. Not unresponsive, but delayed responsive. Its quite annoying.3
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Today is the day! Microsoft (and many other vendors like Dell, Lenovo, ASUS, etc) announced their answer to Apple's M-series computers ... Copilot+ PCs. Today the computers announced all run on the Snapdragon Elite X ARM processor. There supposed to be as fast as Apple's Mac Air M3s. Microsoft is serious this time!!!
What does this mean for Logos Bible Sofware (and me)? I will be looking for an ARM compiled version of Logos! Until then, my Windows Logos software will have to be emulated (just like software had to be when the M1 processor was first released), which means slower 😒.
My Surface Laptop 7 with the Elite X ARM processor will be delivered Jun 18th. So, Logos, what's the plan?
https://community.logos.com/forums/t/222936.aspx0 -
I have been dying to run the full version of Proclaim on a tablet! I have a Copilot+PC Surface Pro on order and am looking forward to running Proclaim on it! I'd love to have it run ARM64 native for improved performance/battery life.0
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Always used Logos on Surface Pro devices and would love to continue the partnership!0
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The newest Windows laptops/Microsoft Surface devices are shipping in 2-3 weeks. They have the new Qualcomm Snapdragon X processor which is at or above Apple M3 performance. Just wondering if desktop app compatibility is on the roadmap yet? https://www.qualcomm.com/products/features/windowsapps1
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Microsoft tried ARM laptops for the first time a few years ago, but no other OEM followed suit. This time, as someone already noted above, it is different with multiple companies offering the new chipsets.
With Microsoft going all-in on AI, the chips they use will focus more on neural processing units (NPUs) to run AI processes in the background. However, that has to be done efficiently for battery life.
The new emulation will likely be much better than before, but native support would be incredible, given the size of the libraries/resources accessed, etc. I really hope Logos is already working on support for ARM devices as they are likely the future.0 -
I will have to wait to get the New Surface Pro Copilot+PC untill Logos works on it. Id gladly hear from someone trying this after your new devices arrive on June 18.0
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@Darren Swartzendruber any status updates on the performance Darren? (and with what size library?) Thanks0
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I have the new Surface Pro Copilot+PC Snapdragon X Elite with 32GB Ram / 1TB drive. The current non-ARM based Logos app (34.1.9) will install and run as x64 in emulation mode through Prism automatically, you don't have to do anything. It installed just fine, and my library is over 22gb in size and took ~30m to index, which is to be expected. In terms of performance, it's running fine--I can't tell that it's running on an emulation layer. Searching is snappy, scrolling is smooth, and this is with several books open. I don't even have Power Mode set to "Best Performance" either, just the "Recommended" default setting. I'm looking forward to the native ARM build of the app, but for now, X64 in emulation is just fine, and we'll see how it performs over the next few weeks.1
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I will say that it runs within Emulation... but I have experienced multiple crashes... and very slow indexing0
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I have Logos on the Surface Pro Copilot x-elite with 32gb of ram and Logos is unstable in emulation. I hope an arm version comes quickly.0
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@Daniel Edgecombe So far great! Tho I do not have a huge library. Check out this forum post from people that have very large libraries ... their experience is great! Logos on new Windows ARM computers (Copilot+ PCs) ... - Logos Forums0
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@Dr. David E. Mills I wonder what the difference is. I've had an issue here and there but for the most part, it's pretty stable for me.0
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@Mark DiGiovanni I have the exact same model as you. Have you noticed a long, very noticeable lag when you switch between resources by clicking on a different book's tab?0
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Is there any update on providing native support for Windows on ARM? I wasn't aware of the differences when I purchased my new laptop, and now my Logos is running with a lag.0
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Please can I ask if there are updates on this? Even if it's just to say there are no plans or to say that there is a plan in the pipeline. ARM chips are getting more common with the new line of Copilot snapdragon PCs. And sadly Logos just runs so poorly on my laptop that it's making it hard for me to be efficient when trying to do deep dives.0
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Please, give an update on this. We now have a HUGE amount of Windows laptops on ARM. This is not the same as it was years ago with the 3-4 laptops that came out. We now have like 30 arm laptops. And more and more programs with arm support. PLEASE add this to "planned" especially with the subscription we are paying.1
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Any new updates on this?
I was all set to purchase the new MS Surface Laptop 7 but changed my mind at the last second because of this issue.
So I purchased a Dell XPS 16 Laptop instead, just to be safe.
One more question… Does this issue also affect the Logos app on phones?
I'm planning on purchasing the soon-to-be released Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra next Jan/Feb. It will feature the new Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite Chipset. Will the Logos app work okay on it.
Thanks,
Richard
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P.S.
I've been using a 15" MS Surface Book 2 for the last 7 years.
Richard
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