Is there a good place to go study about sentence diagramming?
Lee Kantenwein's Diagramatical Analysis is a great starting point.
http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/DIAGANALYSIS
Clayton,
There are different types of sentence diagramming. The two that I'm most familiar with are block diagramming (text flow) and reed-kellogg diagrams (line).
A good resource for block/text flow diagramming is "Biblical Greek Exegesis" by Guthrie and Duvall (not available in Logos).
A good resource for reed-kellog (line) diagrams is "Diagrammatical Analysis" by Kantenwein, which is available in Logos and you may already own. I don't know which base packages it is included in.(http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/DIAGANALYSIS).
You might want to check your library, you might already have this. Or click this link to have Logos4 try to open it Diagrammatical Analysis.
I don't know which base packages it is included in.(http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/DIAGANALYSIS).
Lee Kantenwein's Diagramatical Analysis is a great starting point. http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/DIAGANALYSIS
Thank you Thomas for this tip on a great resource!
The term "Sentence Diagramming" covers a wide array of imposters these days. The Reed/Kellogg method of diagramming a sentence is the "original" more difficult and in my opinion by far the best. I learned the R/K method of diagramming as a boy in the '50's and am still refining my skills. I've diagrammed (in Greek) Galatians, Jude and 1,2 Thessalonians. They are posted on the forums.
If one wants to learn Greek diagramming then Kantenwein is a must (as suggested by others). Additionally, Richard Belcher has a small booklet on diagramming, as does John Grassmick. A fella named Eric Sowell also has a diagramming resource. These resources can be found on the Internet with a little digging.
Also, Thomas Schreiner (a Logos resource) has a chapter on diagramming in his book on the Pauline Epistles; there’s a chapter on diagramming in Brooks & Winbery- Syntax of New Testament Greek. And, there is a very good chapter on Greek diagramming in the book "Interpreting the New Testament Text" edited by Bock and Fanning.
There are several good books on the Reed/Kellogg “stick” method of diagramming English sentences. An Amazon search will reveal several. The original R/K book is available FREE on the Internet but it is tough reading.
I'd like to recommend Terry's diagrams....if they can be imported...they are a good learning tool....
And also one thing (not Logos product) is "Koineworks Diagramming software" by Lexel.
It's now FREE and it has LOTS of interactive learning, interactive tutorials, and tests...it's just a great piece of software for those who aren't up on Reed-Kellogg diagramming.
http://www.lexelsoftware.com/Products/KoineworksDiagramming.htm
Here is a screen shot of the main menu...
Searching entire library for sentence NEAR diagram found several informative results.
Lee Kantenwein's Diagramatical Analysis is in Original Languages and all Scholar's packages.
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I went to this page and there is no free download for the KoineWorks interactive tuturial, just a PDF text. I'm I missing something?
I have the zipfile for this product if anyone would like to have it. Drop me a note.
Terry Cook
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Thanks for ALL the information. This has got me started. I am reading the Diagramming book right now and have started practicing. Although I will admit at the moment it is easier to do it on paper than in Logos but I am trying.
Thanks to everyone!
Terry,
can you also send me the file? I only have it on CD....
rpavich at gmail dot com
thanks.
bob
Rob,
Tried to send but gmail kicked it back. I sent to: rpavich@gmail.com and got this unfriendly notice- "Our system detected an illegal attachment on your message"
Terry
Tried to send but gmail kicked it back. I sent to:
Terry, it is best to avoid putting email addresses in plain language on the forums, as spammers scan these posts looking for addresses. You can edit your post to alter the address so that it will not be so easily recognized.
Hi Terry,
just ran across this while looking for some diagramming help... could I impose and ask you to send a copy to shinydome at comcastdotnet
thanks bunches βλεπο ο φοτος. (hope that is the right sentiment )
wide array of imposters these days. The Reed/Kellogg method of diagramming a sentence is the "original"
I believe this honor actually goes to S. W. Clark. [;)] While I can have great fun with Reed-Kellogg, it is designed for English. I always switch to a tree diagram which is language independent for Greek and Hebrew. It also has the advantage of being able to handle declension/conjugation when the sentence gets tough.
Good to see you can use Wikipedia. By "original" I by no means meant to imply "first" as if only Alonzo Reed and Brainerd Kellogg had thought of diagramming sentences; few things can be directly pointed to as the very first. Others may have developed systems but none were as successful as R/K and that cannot be disputed. The R/K system was adopted at the end of the 19th century in American classrooms and had no serious rivals until it fell from grace with so-called modern teaching methods. As a tool for breaking apart a sentence and accounting for its parts it still has no rivals. Anything that gets a student into studying the structure of his/her target language is a good thing whether it be tree diagramming or something else. Why you would want to downplay the value this time tested system is a mystery.
It goes without saying it was originally designed for English. Of course it was, but that doesn't diminish the value of using their system for Greek or perhaps for other languages. The R/K system is the ONLY system that forces the student to build a scaffold accounting for every unit. Greek and English have parts of speech like verbs, nouns, adjectives, etc. and that's all that's needed to employ the R/K system. Again, how it's effectiveness is watered down because R/K was an English language system escapes me.
To say some other system allows "handling" of declension/conjugation is to me like saying they don't use footballs in the game of baseball. If one wants to work on declensions or conjugations then they'll need to do something else.
Good to see you can use Wikipedia.
You guessed wrong[;)] My training includes a lot of linguistics. Linguists use one of several tree diagram techniques precisely because they account for all meaningful units in all languages.. I genuinely enjoy creating RK diagrams - especially on sentences that create serious difficulties. But I also recognize why linguistics replaced them 50 years ago. But I also recognize that Logos users as a whole are more familiar with RK than X-tree - and am therefore glad Logos supports both.
What I meant was that tree diagrams can be taken down to the morpheme level while RK is limited to the word level. As Logos limits it's clause analysis (tree diagrams) to the word level, it is not obvious that they can be carried further.
Learning NT Greek Now and Then by David Parker is a good easy book on Greek and diagramming. It is in Logos and uses NA27 for teaching Greek Diagramming.
I have this resource and hadn't looked at it much until reading your comment. The booklet is very basic and considering there's next to nothing for diagramming Greek sentences this can be a good beginner resource. The explanations of some of the difficulties a diagrammer might expect are good. For example page 166 he explains, "The verb is an equative so takes a predicate nominative rather than an accusative object. But which nominative is subject and which predicate? A rule of Greek grammar is that when one of the nominatives takes the article and the other does not, the one with the article is the subject." There are many such simple but useful explanations to move the diagrammer along.
I would however quibble with the way Parker teaches the dative, the relative pronoun and the compound sentence. I also do not approve of the way he diagrams prepositions (pg 44). His diagramming of Luke 1.2 on page 113 is clearly wrong. The actual method of diagramming then is quite different from the method I use.
Having said this let me say also that diagramming is more about digging into the Scripture than being "right" or "wrong". Determining relationships among words, phrases, paragraphs and sentences is the goal. If in the end nuggets have been mined then no method is "wrong." However, the method Parker uses in his booklet mimics the R/K method only slightly and is very little like the tool I use.
The KoineWorks Diagramming software package is still available at http://ericsowell.com/blog/2009/1/18/koineworks-diagramming.
