Gird the loins of your mind my peeps

Antony Brennan · 2024-12-15T01:48:25+00:00

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In 1 Peter 1:13 (CSB), the idiom "Gird the loins of your mind" is translated from the Greek as "with your minds ready for action," and the Factbook tags the it with the term "bowels." However, I couldn’t find any explanation for this connection within Logos.

I understand that in biblical language, bowels can signify deep emotions or inner resolve, but I’m curious why this specific tag appears here as the Greek has the word for mind/disposition and not for bowels.

If anyone has insights into the reasoning behind this tagging or its interpretive significance, I’d be interested to better understand.

Thanks.

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MJ. Smith

That's where I went and I'm not sure what you are missing 1 Pt 1:13 has a a Bible Knowledge thing tag "bowel"

"Bowels" is the Logos Controlled Vocabulary/BK Thing tag used for ὀσφῦς which is translated by several words waist, loin, bowels …Bowels is simply the BK tag independent of 1 Pt 1:13 Do a search on thing.bowels

The Factbook entry for thing.bowels provides a variety of lemmas that are assigned to that thing label - again independent of where they occur but dependent upon the translation.

So on the thing.bowels record I click to go to the lemma. It gives me:

to prepare for difficulty ⇔ gird the loins — verb. to prepare for effort, inconvenience, or trouble, conceived of as girding one’s loin garments.
to prepare to think hard ⇔ gird up the loins of the mind — verb. to put oneself into a ready state for strenuous thinking; conceived of as girding the mind for action.

Which basically provides the rational for the idiom.

Limiting yourself to things in the Logos Controlled Vocabulary and looking at the lemmas assigned to that thing, what name would you assign if not bowels?

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MJ. Smith

I assume you are referring to the Biblical Things section? All that it is saying is that the Greek words used (lemma and sense) was assigned to the Logos Controlled Vocabulary entry of "Bowels" … click on it to see that Factbook entry.

The last entry in the lemma may assist you in answering your question especially in the context of the third entry above it.

Antony Brennan

@MJ. Smith

Oh thanks for that. I got to it by clicking on the Factbook tag which took me to the Factbook page for bowels. There is the "referred to as" section it gives a reference to 1 Peter 1.13 and the word "with" is highlighted. I am at a loss to see what the connection is between girding your mind and bowels. Is it that "gird your mind" is a play on "gird your loins" and loins is connected to bowels. Or perhaps I am completely missing the point.

MJ. Smith

That's where I went and I'm not sure what you are missing 1 Pt 1:13 has a a Bible Knowledge thing tag "bowel"

The Factbook entry for thing.bowels provides a variety of lemmas that are assigned to that thing label - again independent of where they occur but dependent upon the translation.

So on the thing.bowels record I click to go to the lemma. It gives me:

to prepare for difficulty ⇔ gird the loins — verb. to prepare for effort, inconvenience, or trouble, conceived of as girding one’s loin garments.
to prepare to think hard ⇔ gird up the loins of the mind — verb. to put oneself into a ready state for strenuous thinking; conceived of as girding the mind for action.

Which basically provides the rational for the idiom.

Limiting yourself to things in the Logos Controlled Vocabulary and looking at the lemmas assigned to that thing, what name would you assign if not bowels?

Antony Brennan

@MJ. Smith

I understood this much before I asked:

“So on the thing.bowels record I click to go to the lemma. It gives me:

to prepare for difficulty ⇔ gird the loins — verb. to prepare for effort, inconvenience, or trouble, conceived of as girding one’s loin garments.
to prepare to think hard ⇔ gird up the loins of the mind — verb. to put oneself into a ready state for strenuous thinking; conceived of as girding the mind for action.

Which basically provides the rational for the idiom.”

I assumed that as it referred to Bowels it was providing further information about the idiom but I couldn’t see what that was. Now I see it’s like one of the debates I’ve had with ChatGPT trying to get it to recognise what it said doesn‘t make sense.

Thanks for your help

MJ. Smith

I assumed that as it referred to Bowels was providing further information about the idiom

Bowels is a simple tagging of a thing mentioned - people, places, and things all simply received a tag.

Antony Brennan

Yes I see it now, it’s useful to be aware of that. I spent ages looking through resources and reading about bowels. I’m sure I’ll find it useful as some stage. 🤣

DMB

I think the problem is the LCV takes a literal usage. And in Hippocrates, the two (loins/bowels) are separate areas in greek (if taken literally). The insertion of 'mind', though, isn't much better (relative to the greek usage vs the Enlightenment).

Antony Brennan

@DMB Having heard from you both, and having looked less at Bowels and the surface text, it makes sense. Loins/bowels at least stands to reason. For a while it was looking like with/bowels which is just silly. #️⃣learning

GaoLu

I was once preaching with a translator who had a copy of my notes. When we came to "Gird up the loins of your mind" (I suddenly wondered how on earth that would translate) she read my notes, frowned, and translated with fervency, "Gird up the LIONS of your mind." I figured that was close enough and let it go.

Antony Brennan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349235#Comment_1349235

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