combining a lemma and a non-specific morphological search

Since I don't know Hebrew (or any semitic language) I may be embarrassing myself but why not search verb and stem … and specify nothing else?

Because it won't let me. If I do an inline search, I can search for the lemma, and then I can add AND @ and do that morph search.

in a Bible search, it won't let me. I do the lemma, and the last word in the search box is Hebrew, which goes from right to left. It won't let me do a space after the word.

If I try to add the morph in the beginning, it messes it up.

Yes, an inline search will let me do that and I can copy and paste that in the Bible search. Now I forgot why I called CS about this. I know I shouldn't have to do that. the right click menu gives two meaningless morph search options.

huh? what am I misunderstanding

BTW: AND doesn't assure anything more than that the form and lemma are in the same verse. If you want the form and lemma to be on the same word, use INTERSECTS

I'm guessing you did the morph syntax before the lemma. I should do that.

thank you very much

if you have time, try the lemma first and see what it lets you do

I tried it and the program crashed. To initiate the search, I am in the Bible text, so it begins with the word I want to search. So to put the morph first, I would have to create the search first and then add both the morph and the lemma. It's late, so I should just go to bed now

thanks again

You can start by running a Bible search for the lemma from the context menu

Then, in the resultant search window, enter the @ symbol

From here, you can specify the morphological details you want

giving results like this

it won't let me. It puts the morph sign to the left of the Hebrew word.

I can think I am moving the cursor to the right end of the search parameters, but when I type, the morph sign is in the middle of the pack.

I can move the cursor to the front of the whole thing, but then typing just messes it all up.

I don't know how it seems so simple for you

I have tried this over and over

it won't let me. It puts the morph sign to the left of the Hebrew word.
I can think I am moving the cursor to the right end of the search parameters, but when I type, the morph sign is in the middle of the pack.

I've just been experimenting with this a bit further and it looks like the Mac / Windows systems performs slightly differently (which I don't think they should) and it looks like you are using Windows.

Try this - after generating the lemma search string press the End key on your keyboard to move the cursor to the end of the string.

Now enter the @ symbol and this will be placed on the right of the word with the morph dropdown menu showing

nope, doesn't work

it goes to the end of the Hebrew word which is on the left side of the word.

If I go to the beginning of the search operator and try the morph language, it messes up what was already there.

it goes to the end of the Hebrew word which is on the left side of the word.

Please confirm you are running on Windows.

And please post a screenshot showing the position of your cursor after pressing the End key on your keyboard with the lemma search string in focus

yes, I'm running on Windows.

I have three monitors. If I do a screen shot, it shows all three monitors and what you want to see is tiny. I don't know how to do all this fancy stuff.

But, yes, with a Hebrew lemma, I hit end, it goes to the end of the Hebrew word which is right in the middle of the search operator.

But, yes, with a Hebrew lemma, I hit end, it goes to the end of the Hebrew word which is right in the middle of the search operator.

And what happens if you press the @ symbol next, without doing anything else first?

it puts it at the end of the Hebrew word, right in the middle of the operator

it puts it at the end of the Hebrew word, right in the middle of the operator

Where exactly do you mean? I assume you have something like this:

Does the cursor end up immediately after the colon or somewhere else?

And the mentioned you aren't able to do precise screen shots.

On Windows you should have the Snipping tool. If you open that, you can set it to snip a region and you can then copy the results and paste it into a reply here.

immediately after the colon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1352162#Comment_1352162

Put it at the end of the string - after (to the right of) the Hebrew as in Graham's example.

It doesn't work. I think he and I figured out that it will work on a Mac but not in Windows.

Using Graham's method of combining into a single search term does fail on Windows. My more roundabout version with two separate search terms works on Windows as I am on Windows.

OK, I'm stumped. I have Windows 11, and all the full features and the Max subscription, and I have tried everything over and over again.

This works with the inline search. That has no problem. I can format that and copy and paste it in the Bible search. I found that out later. But, no, I can't get it to work in the Bible search.

no need to spend any more time on this.

thank you. I really appreciate your taking the time to work on this.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1352168#Comment_1352168

I would not be here except for MJ's redirection in a tagged post, so add similar tags to your posts e.g. Desktop App, Bug.

If you paste just the word עֻלְפֶּה and then select the lemma from the drop-down, the cursor is auto-positioned at the end so you can type @ successfully. Also works if you select the lemma from a transliteration e.g. h:alep.

If you then delete the @, Hebrew right-to-left kicks in!

Hi Dave

thank you

I don't see any way like the old version of the forum to reply to you, so I hope you see this.

I initiate these searches from the right click menu. Your suggested way seems to be that I look up the word in a lexicon and then paste the lemma in a new search window.

There are a lot of ways to do things in Logos, but I hope they focus on improving the shortest, most obvious ways that things should be done.

I right click on a Hebrew verb, I choose the lemma, then a Bible search, and then I need to narrow the search to a particular verb form, and it won't let me do that.

I can do an inline search and do that, and then I can paste the search operators there to a new Bible search, but that's adding unnecessary steps. I do these all the time. This is something that should be fixed. Not because I do it a lot, but to make Logos better.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/245090/bug-moves-to-incorrect-position

This is something that should be fixed

Agreed - and MJ has reported it as a bug

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1352231#Comment_1352231

Thanks, Graham

I sure wish there was a way to reply to you instead of a general post.

Oooh, another new suggestion

NB.Mick

I think the quote function in the bottom row of each post is meant for that.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1352222#Comment_1352222

Hi Larry, I hit the ""Quote button at the bottom of your post to reply to you.
I was suggesting a workaround if that was applicable, but you (and I) should be able to work as expected.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1352361#Comment_1352361

OK, that works. But how much time is being spent on people trying to figure out how things work when it used to work fine before? Everybody knows what REPLY means.

thank you

@Larry Craig

But how much time is being spent on people trying to figure out how things work when it used to work fine before? Everybody knows what REPLY means.

Larry, I just pasted a part of your reply and used the Paragraph marker outside the reply box to make it a quote (it appears as an X when clicked):-

When you want to use a person's name (in a quote or when addressing a post), type @ followed by their name as it appears in a post.

New forum, new ways!

@Dave Hooton

I have nothing against new ways, but they are supposed to be improvements. A lot of people wasted a lot of time because Logos removed a simple reply button.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1352378#Comment_1352378

I have a number of niggles (about 6!) that need fixing and am requesting 2 features we had in the old Forum to limit the posts we can view i.e. Unread and treat all as Read.

@Larry Craig

A lot of people wasted a lot of time because Logos removed a simple reply button.

I suspect there were also a lot of us who barely noticed the change in wording from "reply" to "leave a comment" because we saw it simply as a change in wording not a change in function. I suspect that those of us who are on multiple forums found the new forum quite familiar while those on few "modern" forums found it much more of a shock. It is important to those who find it familiar to remember many do not.

@MJ. Smith

A comment is just that. A comment. A reply is directed at one person.

Big difference. That should be changed. How much time did we spend on this today?