A little underwhelmed by 4.2?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182125#Comment_182125

Well, I guess that I'm ok with whatever is in the releases...I do love the page view but I recognize that there are other things to get accomplished....

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182126#Comment_182126

100% satisfied. I'm more concerned about having quality 2 years from now then having features 2 months from now. What Logos puts out, IMHO, is golden and I'd rather them concentrate on getting it right from the start then giving us something that ends up being a hodge podge of patches and frustration. 4.1 was a pretty big release with lots of new features so I would suspect things to start slowing down.

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

4.2 has perturbed me by having column view as the default for Print/Export, otherwise Paged View may have gone unnoticed[:)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182139#Comment_182139

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

4.2 has perturbed me by having column view as the default for Print/Export, otherwise Paged View may have gone unnoticed

Must admit, I'd rather have a check box in the printing window to select and deselect columns. Very rarely will I want to print in page view.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182145#Comment_182145

I would love to see this bug in Syntax searching fixed

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/20812/178901.aspx#178901

But alas I don't even seem to be able to get a reply <sigh>...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182145#Comment_182145

4.2 has perturbed me by having column view as the default for Print/Export, otherwise Paged View may have gone unnoticed

I didn't even know!

Must admit, I'd rather have a check box in the printing window to select and deselect columns. Very rarely will I want to print in page view.

there IS a check box in the printing window to select and deselect columns...

James Brown

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182171#Comment_182171

I keep looking for Illustrations in the Passage Guide. Any ETA?

Jim

Mark Barnes

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

I agree. As it's stands, it's more of a 4.1a. I'm therefore expecting (hoping?) one or two of the other missing features make it into the 4.2 release soon.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182192#Comment_182192

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

I agree. As it's stands, it's more of a 4.1a. I'm therefore expecting (hoping?) one or two of the other missing features make it into the 4.2 release soon.

In 4.1, some of the new features didn't make an appearance until later on in the beta cycle. I'm hoping that will be the case with 4.2 as well. Otherwise, yes, I think it was misnamed.

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182198#Comment_182198

In 4.1, some of the new features didn't make an appearance until later on in the beta cycle. I'm hoping that will be the case with 4.2 as well. Otherwise, yes, I think it was misnamed.

According to the Logos support page we are supposed to see vocabulary / word lists and video resources in the fourth quarter. This tells me that either 4.2 is going to be a very short beta cycle, maybe focusing on bugs and optimization, or they will roll out additional features during the course of the cycle. I am not sure what would be involved in getting the video resources, but it seems like the the word / vocabulary lists should not be too complex to code since the framework for that feature already exists in the program.

Then again, I'm a preacher not a programmer; so what do I know?

Todd White

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

I'm sorry you are underwhelmed. We are working hard to add new features and fix bugs. However, there are a few reasons you won't see as many features in 4.2 as you saw in previous releases.

We have most of the missing features done.
The 6 interns we had for the summer have gone home.
We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.
The team is smaller since some of them are working on the new product Bob mentions in http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24207/180562.aspx#180562.
We don't want to hold paged view from the rest of the world until this release is packed full of features.
We need a bit of a break after a year of pushing hard.

Why 4.2? Well, now that most of the missing features are done we've decided to move away from the letter releases when adding major new features (e.g. Paged View). That isn't to say we won't confuse you by releasing some feature in the future that you think is bigger than Paged View in a letter release or by simply being inconsistent.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

I'm sorry you are underwhelmed. We are working hard to add new features and fix bugs. However, there are a few reasons you won't see as many features in 4.2 as you saw in previous releases.

We have most of the missing features done.

The 6 interns we had for the summer have gone home.

We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.

The team is smaller since some of them are working on the new product Bob mentions in http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24207/180562.aspx#180562.

We don't want to hold paged view from the rest of the world until this release is packed full of features.

We need a bit of a break after a year of pushing hard.

Why 4.2? Well, now that most of the missing features are done we've decided to move away from the letter releases when adding major new features (e.g. Paged View). That isn't to say we won't confuse you by releasing some feature in the future that you think is bigger than Paged View in a letter release or by simply being inconsistent.

Thanks for all your hard work this past year! I'm lovin the fruit of your work!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182376#Comment_182376

Thanks for all your hard work this past year! I'm lovin the fruit of your work!

I echo this sentiment in spades! I know how tough it is to be under impossible deadlines all of the time....and it's good to throttle back once in a while..

Thank you and the rest of the Logos team for all of your sacrifices made during the L4 rollout.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182383#Comment_182383

Thanks for all your hard work this past year! I'm lovin the fruit of your work!

I echo this sentiment in spades! I know how tough it is to be under impossible deadlines all of the time....and it's good to throttle back once in a while..

Thank you and the rest of the Logos team for all of your sacrifices made during the L4 rollout.

thats right. Robert and I officially grant you 4 days of slacking. After your four days of slacking we will once again require your regular progress reports.

My, my...how gracious we are :-)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182389#Comment_182389

Phillip...

Why thank you!

Actually, there isn't much to complain about in this beta [:O]

Richard Lyall

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

I'm sorry you are underwhelmed. We are working hard to add new features and fix bugs. However, there are a few reasons you won't see as many features in 4.2 as you saw in previous releases.

Thanks ... it really isn't a problem, or a whine of any kind - I haven't really explored a lot of what you have included so far to be honest - it's probably more a question about why it's 4.2 rather than, as others have suggested, 4.1a.

But your points more than explain the slowdown in new features.

Blessings
Richard

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182383#Comment_182383

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

I must confess to feeling a little underwhelmed by 4.2.

I'm sorry you are underwhelmed. We are working hard to add new features and fix bugs. However, there are a few reasons you won't see as many features in 4.2 as you saw in previous releases.

We have most of the missing features done.

The 6 interns we had for the summer have gone home.

We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.

The team is smaller since some of them are working on the new product Bob mentions in http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24207/180562.aspx#180562.

We don't want to hold paged view from the rest of the world until this release is packed full of features.

We need a bit of a break after a year of pushing hard.

Why 4.2? Well, now that most of the missing features are done we've decided to move away from the letter releases when adding major new features (e.g. Paged View). That isn't to say we won't confuse you by releasing some feature in the future that you think is bigger than Paged View in a letter release or by simply being inconsistent.

Thank you. I really appreciate all that info. Great job.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

LOL

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

Good sign Bradley, if you are still in a humor mode [:)]

Michael McLane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

Now, that is funny! Thanks!

Jacob Hantla

Page view in my mind (but that isn't all there is) is reason enough to warrant a release. Page view is a major addition.

I appreciate multiple small updates as they perfect features rather than storing them up and releasing them all together. THat is one of the benefits of the cloud connected program, it is easy to push incremental updates out.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182418#Comment_182418

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

Hee hee! [:D]

Mark Barnes

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.

That is excellent news. Sometimes small changes can make a big difference.

We need a bit of a break after a year of pushing hard.

You all deserve it! Logos 4 is certainly exceeding my expectations.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182494#Comment_182494

We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.

That is excellent news. Sometimes small changes can make a big difference.

Ditto. That's awesome!

We need a bit of a break after a year of pushing hard.

You all deserve it! Logos 4 is certainly exceeding my expectations.

Hear, hear! [Y]

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182494#Comment_182494

You all deserve it! Logos 4 is certainly exceeding my expectations.

[Y][Y][Y]

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

Is there any chance this little bit of code could stay in for the next beta? [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182515#Comment_182515

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

Is there any chance this little bit of code could stay in for the next beta?

Just think of all the confusion it would cause with bug reports, though. People reporting bugs in versions that haven't even been released yet, etc.

Anyway, I'm guessing it was just a bit of Photoshop sleight of hand, not actual code. Or if it was code, then Bradley what are you wasting time coding up jokes for when there are so many bugs and features to be working on... [;)]

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182516#Comment_182516

Anyway, I'm guessing it was just a bit of Photoshop sleight of hand, not actual code. Or if it was code, then Bradley what are you wasting time coding up jokes for when there are so many bugs and features to be working on...

What I want to know is why didn't they include 3.0g?? All the power of Logos 4 in a package that looks like Logos 3. That would really confuse some folks.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182376#Comment_182376

Thanks for all your hard work this past year! I'm lovin the fruit of your work!

[H] [Y] +1

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

That isn't to say we won't confuse you ...

LOL [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.

I knew it had to be a large number. My head can't cope with the bugs I've forgotten[:D] so you could get away with calling many a minor feature!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

It's a good feature. All you do is ask for the Build No. in future.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! v [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

The team is smaller since some of them are working on the new product Bob mentions in http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24207/180562.aspx#180562.

Just thinking out loud here...we need to get a mole inside Headquarters...

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

Why 4.2? Well, now that most of the missing features are done we've decided to move away from the letter releases when adding major new features (e.g. Paged View).

After 4.9 there will be 4.10, 4.11 etc (maybe 4.A, 4.B)[:)]

We don't want to hold paged view from the rest of the world until this release is packed full of features.

The more I use Paged View the more I appreciate it. The appearance is very "clean" when used in a normal tabbed pane. So thank you for the foresight and courage in developing it.

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182371#Comment_182371

We want to address some of the 1400+ bugs and 800+ minor features in our bug tracking database.

Bravo! Logos 4 is a great product, so much better than ver 3 now IMHO, but doing a little tightening up of the bugs and minor stuff is a fabulous idea. Thanks for that and all your work!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182568#Comment_182568

The more I use Paged View the more I appreciate it.

I like it for this reason: efficient reading, without having to "page down" so frequently. having 7-10 words on a line allows the eye more reading time and less "travel time" (from end of line to beginning of new one). Under the old system, I pretty much had to increase the font size, and less words on a visible page was the result. this way, the font can be smaller, more text is visible, AND because of the added visible text, set in parallel columns, I seem to have a better sense of context.

Thanks!!

Anthony H

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182403#Comment_182403

[;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182748#Comment_182748

The more I use Paged View the more I appreciate it.

I like it for this reason: efficient reading, without having to "page down" so frequently. having 7-10 words on a line allows the eye more reading time and less "travel time" (from end of line to beginning of new one). Under the old system, I pretty much had to increase the font size, and less words on a visible page was the result. this way, the font can be smaller, more text is visible, AND because of the added visible text, set in parallel columns, I seem to have a better sense of context.

Thanks!!

I love it too but the only "issue" i have with it is that I'm used to the old way of navigating...hitting the "down arrow" and scrolling....and in paged view sometimes that just changes the verse ref, but nothing actually happens to the page itself....it just changes the focus...

Whyndell Grizzard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182406#Comment_182406

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

I installed 5.0, the new PBB function downloaded great- but there is no help file any chance of getting one? [;)]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182780#Comment_182780

The more I use Paged View the more I appreciate it.

I like it for this reason: efficient reading, without having to "page down" so frequently. having 7-10 words on a line allows the eye more reading time and less "travel time" (from end of line to beginning of new one). Under the old system, I pretty much had to increase the font size, and less words on a visible page was the result. this way, the font can be smaller, more text is visible, AND because of the added visible text, set in parallel columns, I seem to have a better sense of context.

Thanks!!

I love it too but the only "issue" i have with it is that I'm used to the old way of navigating...hitting the "down arrow" and scrolling....and in paged view sometimes that just changes the verse ref, but nothing actually happens to the page itself....it just changes the focus...

I love it too. My only issue with it is that I like to highlight while I'm reading, and if the sentence I want to highlight happens to span across a "page" break in paged view, I can't drag and scroll. But I did discover that you can drag out the selection to the end of the page, then hit PageDown and then Shift+Click where you want the selection to end, and it retains what was selected at the end of the previous page as part of the selection. Not quite as convenient, but satisfactory once you're used to it.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182926#Comment_182926

But I did discover that you can drag out the selection to the end of the page, then hit PageDown and then Shift+Click where you want the selection to end, and it retains what was selected at the end of the previous page as part of the selection.

Thanks Rosie! That solved another "issue" I was having... [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182926#Comment_182926

The more I use Paged View the more I appreciate it.

I like it for this reason: efficient reading, without having to "page down" so frequently. having 7-10 words on a line allows the eye more reading time and less "travel time" (from end of line to beginning of new one). Under the old system, I pretty much had to increase the font size, and less words on a visible page was the result. this way, the font can be smaller, more text is visible, AND because of the added visible text, set in parallel columns, I seem to have a better sense of context.

Thanks!!

I love it too but the only "issue" i have with it is that I'm used to the old way of navigating...hitting the "down arrow" and scrolling....and in paged view sometimes that just changes the verse ref, but nothing actually happens to the page itself....it just changes the focus...

I love it too. My only issue with it is that I like to highlight while I'm reading, and if the sentence I want to highlight happens to span across a "page" break in paged view, I can't drag and scroll. But I did discover that you can drag out the selection to the end of the page, then hit PageDown and then Shift+Click where you want the selection to end, and it retains what was selected at the end of the previous page as part of the selection. Not quite as convenient, but satisfactory once you're used to it.

be sure to put that in the wiki (or new video tutorials . . . ) if Logos doesn't fix that.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/182785#Comment_182785

We'll actually be fixing this in the next beta. If you think that the app doesn't warrant the "4.2" moniker, simply go to General Settings and set the version to a more appropriate level:

I installed 5.0, the new PBB function downloaded great- but there is no help file any chance of getting one?

Good one, Whyndell!