NEW: Smart Bible Search, ready for beta testing on Desktop
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Being as explicit as possible is always best for reasonable people. It might be useful for the results page to say it is not exhaustive or to have a link to a more comprehensive info page.
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Would it help to have a support article or FAQ that explained more about how our AI tools worked? If so, what sort of questions should that cover?
A support article would be very useful - but not essential. What I consider essential is a warning on the results as there is on the synopsis. I feel strongly about this because I have found the Bible search will sometimes return results for nonsense questions.
What a support article should contain:
- your description of the all search is an excellent example
- illustrations - create ex nililo or based on resource?
- synopsis - how to turn off, using references, how to influence sources, how sources sent to AI engine are chosen
- questions - using references, how to influence sources, how sources sent to AI engine are chosen
- translation - how engine is chosen, why Greek doesn't work
- Bible search - from bible text only or what Logos/library data
What AI have I forgotten?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I know this is going to come as a big surprise (cat, bag, oh my!) but I don't have access to the Logos AI. But I DO come from a tradition that spins out verses at a high rate of speed, weaving a sermon that just can't be argued. It's easy for me to see a trusting user, input a quick (simple) doctrinal question, pulling the verses, and off they go. So, saying it's just verses, ignores how some traditions work.
Now, personally I don't care … that cat's around here somewhere. But I'd think some type of caution to the targeted audience (well beyond pastors/academic) is needed. Logos isn't just a mindless go-getter. MJ mentions a caution on the bottom of the synopsis??
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I agree the warning is good. I would only advocate that it be added to All and Books search as well, where in my view it is even more needed.
It is true that providing verses in response to a question would suggest that those verses in some way answer the question. This has the potential to be misleading.
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That looks like what's needed (in my view).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I thought the article a while back about your philosophy of AI was really good. Why not have somebody expand it into a short book and include it in the subscriptions? Then you could include some of the practicality about how it works, the theological framework Logos uses when considering its implications, and link the warning to a resource in the software.
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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Well…. I'm just a committee of one… But…
- I hope Smart Search is not "biased" in any direction as to ideology. That would keep me from using it.
- I would want it to provide me with "ideas" from the search as a secondary and not as a primary. I would want the primary to be akin to what I was seeking information about. The "generalized" or "ideas" section should come below the primary.
But like I say, I am a committee of one. 😎
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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@xnman I have found that AI Bible search is simply an easier way to search for verses in the Bible that would require more search syntax to accomplish with a precise search. If you are not a beta tester you can see how it works the web app. Just like a precise search the user must go through the verses and study to determine their relevance to the question or study. It is a tool, not an answer. It is a starting point not a finishing line. Just my opinion of course as well.
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The Bible Smart Search will return Bible verse/passages. It is intended to minimize the amount of syntax and logical clarity required to get relevant hits. What I am still waiting for an answer on is the degree to which it uses Logos tagging and, therefore, the added tagging required to get improvements in the results.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks @John Fidel, @MJ. Smith.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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As some other comments have said, this looks like it could be really useful.
One of the things that I liked when searching for Jesus speaking with Nicodemus is how it first returns the obvious result from John 3 but also included references to passages that refer back to that encounter.
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@MJ. Smith What I am still waiting for an answer on is the degree to which it uses Logos tagging and, therefore, the added tagging required to get improvements in the results.
There is some evidence for this e.g. show where Jesus was in Galilee:
- NT results only
- those connected with Jesus
- some where "Jesus" is not present e.g. Mk 1:39, Lk 4.44
Dave
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While there will be plenty of overlap between the sorts of things you can search for in Smart Bible Search and using tagging in Precise Bible Search, we haven't trained Smart Bible Search on all our datasets.
It's designed to complement our tagging. Despite us adding tagging for All the Killings in the Bible, you won't be able to use Precise Search to find left-handed assassins. On the other hand, you won't be able to use Smart Search to find propositional phrases with an object of אמר and a preposition of לְ.
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Got it - we should still push for the missing datasets that are conspicuously missing in the Factbook featured event. If we happen to have a list of occurrences, would it help get it into Logos?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Certainly. Decisions on new datasets (or extensions to existing datasets) will likely be made by @Kyle G. Anderson and me. In recent months, we've focused heavily on
- Improving existing data (e.g., adding tens of thousands of descriptions to Factbook pages)
- Improving access to existing data (e.g., Factbook sections such as People, Places, and Things, Reported Speech, etc.)
- Improving internal architecture to support future growth.
But we're always open to suggestions for new datasets, too.
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But we're always open to suggestions for new datasets, too.
That's nice to hear. Regarding the Advanced Timeline, will there be
- an option to add custom entries
- enhanced linking to German language resouces like the RGG4 and the Lexikon der Kirchengeschichte ?
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