location of anchors are not consistent
All of my anchors are linked to verses, not words. That said, most of the anchors are before the verse number, but sometimes they are after. I have checked the notes and they are all in fact linked to the verses. What is causing this, and does it matter?
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YES! 😫 this is also bugging me lol thank you!
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@Kristin could you share a screenshot of an anchor for one of the notes in which the icon appears after the verse number?
I have a hunch that the notes that appear after the verse number are made with Selection selected on the left-hand side of the context menu, while the notes that appear before the verse number are made with Reference selected. Note that the selection menu that pops up when you highlight a word also uses the Selection method of creating a note. I would guess that you would prefer the Reference method, as this will allow the notes to be displayed for that Bible reference in all Bibles.
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Oh my gosh! You're right!!! THANK YOU
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@Kristin could you share a screenshot of an anchor for one of the notes in which the icon appears after the verse number?
Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
I am sorry for the delay. Looking at @Michelle's screenshot above, I am following the teal line, not the dark blue lines. In this screenshot, for both verses I have selected the Reference on the left hand side.
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I wasn't able to learn anything from that screenshot. Could you share a screenshot of an anchor for one of the notes in which the icon appears after the verse number? I've shared an example below. The presence of ESV in the anchor indicates that I made this note with Selection highlighted, and it is not an anchor based on the general Bible reference.
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Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
Thank you for the screenshot, and I think I did it correct this time. I clicked on the anchor of v. 15, and I see that specific note has a double anchor of Gen 2:15 and Gen 2:18. They are just verses and not linked to words or versions.
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Thanks! Curious, my theory appears to be incorrect.
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@Kristin I can't explain how this is happening. It may have to do with the Bibles that the notes were created in/are being viewed in. However, I think I understand now why this is happening. Whenever the verse number itself is selected, the icon will display before the number. When the verse number is not selected, the icon will display after. (My new hunch is that the verse number may be selected in connection to the note for one Bible while not being selected in a different Bible.) This is also the case if I use Selection to highlight. If I select the verse number, the icon is displayed before it, at least in the Bible in which I made the note.
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Please go to the Information pane for the book. Scroll down to the Support Info section, and copy and paste the information here. It could be a bug with that particular Bible, but I can't check without knowing exactly which one you are looking at.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I think I understand now
whythis is happening. Whenever the verse number itself is selected, the icon will display before the number. When the verse number is not selected, the icon will display after.Hi @Aaron Hamilton, I think you are correct, as that was an issue I had. Normally I was selecting the verse number, but sometimes the system wouldn't let me, and kept just snapping to the verse as opposed to the number. After that happened, I checked if it registered as a verse anchor or not, and when it did, I didn't worry about it. I actually didn't notice the placement of the anchor when I did that, but given this thread, I will pay attention to it.
This sort of re-brings up the issue of how convoluted it is to have verses be in biblical order. Since in a notebook my ONLY option is to change it to modified date or created date, I have been giving a real effort to try to insert things in an order, so there is at least some biblical order logic at all. However, in order to change these verses, I am pretty sure I would have to delete them and re-add them, which would mess up the created date as being in biblical order.Please go to the Information pane for the book. Scroll down to the Support Info section, and copy and paste the information here. It could be a bug with that particular Bible, but I can't check without knowing exactly which one you are looking at.
Hi @Andrew Batishko,
I think you might be right about it being a bug how it let's me select verses. Could you clarify what information I should be pasting? If I go to the information it just says "English Standard Version" and doesn't seem to include relevant details.
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Btw, an example might be Gen 3:1. There is NO WAY for me to select the verse number normally. Even if I try to only select the verse and avoid the number, it auto-snaps to "the Fall," even though the ref and the Fall are two separate potential anchor locations.
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Could you clarify what information I should be pasting? If I go to the information it just says "English Standard Version" and doesn't seem to include relevant details.
In this case it doesn't matter, because stating that you are working in the ESV doesn't require disambiguation from other Bibles. But… for the future... You go to your panel menu, and select the Information option. Then scroll down to the very bottom where you will find a Support Info section. This will have some information that lists a code (which is an identifier for the book), plus a date (which is the version), plus a file name (identifying which file the book is opened from). In the case of the ESV, because it has reverse interlinears, those will be listed as well. If you own it, the audio book will also be listed. That information can be selected and copied to your clipboard, and can be useful in allowing people to identify exactly which book you have open, or whether your book is out of date and needs to be updated.
In this particular case, it doesn't look as if there is a book bug with the ESV. For verse 15, the verse number is properly part of the verse as it should be.
Looking into it, I see that you have turned on the "Bible text" visual filter set to display one verse per line. The note location difference are due to how the text is rendered when that is active. Verses 15 and 18 are the start of a paragraph, and they get displayed a little differently from verses that have to be moved to their own line.
I've written a case to improve how verse-anchored notes are displayed in this situation.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Looking into it, I see that you have turned on the "Bible text" visual filter set to display one verse per line. The note location difference are due to how the text is rendered when that is active. Verses 15 and 18 are the start of a paragraph, and they get displayed a little differently from verses that have to be moved to their own line.
I've written a case to improve how verse-anchored notes are displayed in this situation.
@Andrew Batishko This is great! Thanks for chiming in.
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…Looking into it, I see that you have turned on the "Bible text" visual filter set to display one verse per line. The note location difference are due to how the text is rendered when that is active. Verses 15 and 18 are the start of a paragraph, and they get displayed a little differently from verses that have to be moved to their own line.
I've written a case to improve how verse-anchored notes are displayed in this situation.
Hi @Andrew Batishko, Thank you for the explanation about the info pane and why this is happening, and thank you for writing a case. Is it possible to request for there also to be a case about biblical reference order? It seems unnecessarily disorganized that it is not an option if i just simply open the notebook. Every single note in this note book is linked to a verse, so it should be at least an option (though I admit I think it should be the default view).
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Reference sorting is only available if you use the sidebar for filter by "Reference" type "Bible". Note that if you select Bible references as your Filter and then choose to sort by Reference, then the tool will remember that sorting for the next time you filter by Bible reference.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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The Notebook, Reference, and Resource sort options differ somewhat from Date Created and Date Modified.
Date Created and Date Modified can always be selected. The other three can only be chosen when one has selected the appropriate filter from the left sidebar. So, for example, if I would like to filter my notes by Reference, I would first find Reference or Bible Book from the left filter sidebar and select the biblical book or other option of interest. At this point, my notes will be sorted by reference within the biblical book/option I have selected. I can sort all of my Bible notes by selecting Reference → Bible. I can then sort by the date that I created the note by changing the sort option to Date Created. I can return to sorting by Reference at any time, now that I have filtered my notes to only display the notes within the Bible or one biblical book.
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Reference sorting is only available if you use the sidebar for filter by "Reference" type "Bible".
Hi @Andrew Batishko, ya, this is what I am requesting to be improved, as I think it should be an option just flat out opening my notes, not only if I go through a multi-step process.
Note that if you select Bible references as your Filter and then choose to sort by Reference, then the tool will remember that sorting for the next time you filter by Bible reference.
Yes, but my concern is how many steps this is. 1) open notes 2) click the filter thing 3) search for the sort by reference word (which is difficult to find since headings aren't bolded) 4) click notebook 5) finally see the notes in biblical order. And I have gone through this multi-step process, but then when I close the notes, it doesn't stick and I need to re-do this multi-step filtering process over and over and over, every time I open my notes.
What I am asking for is: 1) open notes 2) see the notebook in biblical order.
Date CreatedandDate Modifiedcan always be selected. The other three can only be chosen when one has selected the appropriate filter from the left sidebar. So, for example, if I would like to filter my notes byReference, I would first findReferenceorBible Bookfrom the left filter sidebar and select the biblical book or other option of interest. At this point, my notes will be sorted by reference within the biblical book/option I have selected. I can sort all of my Bible notes by selectingReference→Bible. I can then sort by the date that I created the note by changing the sort option toDate Created. I can return to sorting byReferenceat any time, now that I have filtered my notes to only display the notes within the Bible or one biblical book.Hi @Aaron Hamilton , I think what you wrote is a good description of my concern. Specifically "
Date CreatedandDate Modifiedcan always be selected." Which for my use of notes is literally pointless. I am sure someone might find it useful, but ALL I need is the biblical reference sorting. Yet unlike date created or modified, it is literally a multi-step process. I think the reference option should be just as simple as date created.1 -
I think the reference option should be just as simple as date created.
@Kristin One difference is that all notes have a date created, but not all notes have a reference.
I have a solution that I think may work well for your purposes. The Notes tool does not typically remember your most recently selected filter options UNLESS you save a shortcut to it. To do this, you must first go through the process of filtering by Reference and notebook. Next, drag the Notes tab that you are working in to either the application sidebar or the Favorites tool. You can then rename this shortcut to easily identify it, and save several others as well. So, for example, you could have 5 different links to notes saved in your Favorites tool for 5 different classes that you teach. Your notes for each class could be easily accessed with just 1 click (or 2, if you count the need to open the favorites tool).
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Given that the application is currently working as designed, what you are requesting is a new feature. For that, I recommend creating a separate post in the Product Suggestions area linked at the top of this page describing what you would like to see. That way others can express their support for the idea by voting on it.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
Thank you very much for the idea! I currently have a saved layout for my classes, and in the saved layouts are a few random texts and my notebook to the side. So I didn't modify the layout, so that the notes to be a placeholder, and then I sorted them by reference and added them to the sidebar. Then I closed my layout and re-opened it and it of course didn't remember the references. So then I dragged my favorite to the notes section and deleted the first note tab and it works and is in reference order! Thank you! I will for sure make favorites of my current classes this semester. This will for sure help a lot! :)
Given that the application is currently working as designed, what you are requesting is a new feature. For that, I recommend creating a separate post in the Product Suggestions area linked at the top of this page describing what you would like to see. That way others can express their support for the idea by voting on it.
Hi @Andrew Batishko,
Thank you for the link and the idea. I will write up a little description and create the post.
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Happy to hear! You probably realized this, but considering that you are working in Layouts, the Notes shortcut you brought into your layout will save with the current filters in place. So you won't even have to open the notes for each class; the shortcut can be built into the layout. It's worth mentioning that this shortcut trick works for other areas of the application as well - such as search.
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Bible software. 15 years in.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Happy to hear! You probably realized this, but considering that you are working in Layouts, the Notes shortcut you brought into your layout will save with the current filters in place. So you won't even have to open the notes for each class; the shortcut can be built into the layout. It's worth mentioning that this shortcut trick works for other areas of the application as well - such as search.
Oh, great! Thank you! This will help a lot for class!
I still hope that the sorting options can be updated though, so if anyone reading this supports my mission, here is the link.
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Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
I just ran into a sort of practical issue. When I transfer my notes to favorites, they are "Show Notes" even though the notebooks are all named individually. If I add another notebook, it becomes "Show Notes (2)" and so on. Is there a way for them to retain the name? It seems like it would get super confusing if I add anymore notebooks as favorites.
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FYI, just to avoid future confusion, the items you are referencing in your screenshots are Shortcuts. Favorites are found in a separate panel listed in the Tools menu.
For shortcuts, you can right click on the item and change the name as desired.I misunderstood what text was being shown. Aaron is correct below.Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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I do not believe there is a way for the shortcuts to retain their name when the toolbar is collapsed; it will list the name of the tool, not the customized name it has been given.
There are, however, several things you could try. First, I need to point out that you are not using the Favorites tool in these screenshots. You are saving shortcuts to the left toolbar.
Three solutions come to mind:
- Give each note shortcut a different icon, such as a number or the letter that the class begins with
- Create a folder for Notes on the toolbar and place your notes inside the folder (right-click → type folder name)
- Use the Favorites tool instead. This can be found in Tools and can also be saved as a shortcut as I have done.
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FYI, just to avoid future confusion, the items you are referencing in your screenshots are Shortcuts. Favorites are found in a separate panel listed in the Tools menu.
Hi @Andrew Batishko,
Thank you for clarifying this, as I thought I had created them as favorites. How do I make something a favorite? I had just dragged it and dropped it to the toolbar.
Three solutions come to mind:
Give each note shortcut a different icon, such as a number or the letter that the class begins with
Create a folder for Notes on the toolbar and place your notes inside the folder (right-click → type folder name)
Use the Favorites tool instead. This can be found in Tools and can also be saved as a shortcut as I have done.
Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
In your screenshot, how did you name the notes "Notes class 1" etc? Are these shortcuts or favorites? I had tried re-naming them but it didn't work. I thought of the icons also, but I am already using the icons for the different layouts, so I am hesitant to do that or they will look like layouts. I might need to though.
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How do I make something a favorite? I had just dragged it and dropped it to the toolbar.
Open the Favorites tool from the Tools menu and drag and drop your panel there instead.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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In your screenshot, how did you name the notes "Notes class 1" etc?
Right-click the shortcut and change the label. I assume you did this as well. I got the shortcuts to retain their name by placing them in a folder. Above the option to give a custom label is one to place them in a folder. Type the same folder name (e.g. Notes) for all of your Note shortcuts.
Are these shortcuts or favorites?
Shortcuts
I had tried re-naming them but it didn't work.
Expand the left toolbar. Then you will see the names (labels) you gave them. When collapsed, the toolbar will only tell you the name of the tool when you hover over the shortcut.
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Open the Favorites tool from the Tools menu and drag and drop your panel there instead.
Hi @Andrew Batishko, ok, thanks for clarifying. :)
Right-click the shortcut and change the label. I assume you did this as well. I got the shortcuts to retain their name by placing them in a folder. Above the option to give a custom label is one to place them in a folder. Type the same folder name (e.g. Notes) for all of your Note shortcuts.
Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
I finally got them named. :)
Btw, I re-saved the layout with the notes from the shortcut, but then after I closed the layout and re-opened it, the notes were back to that pointless Notebook sort, and I needed to re-open the shortcut. So hopefully the sorting by reference can be updated soon, but in the meantime the shortcut is far superior to the multi-step filtering ritual. Thank you again for the idea. :)
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I had a more positive experience saving the shortcut in the layout, but I may have to do more testing when I get the chance.
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OK, I will try to express this without panicking (after reading that other thread, it's hard not to)….
I just went to add a note and now I have THREE of the SAME file. I assume this has to do with the shortcut. :(
What do I do, and are my notes safe?
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I don't think saving a shortcut to a notebook would affect your notes in a negative way. I haven't had any trouble as I've been playing around with it. The shortcuts are also saving well in my layout, as long as I don't save over them. It is hard to follow what's happening with the small screenshots you share.
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Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
Thanks for letting me know. I closed the layout and re-opened it, and now it only has that notebook listed once. So that is a relief. That thread about that guy losing his notes really spooked me, but I guess I will just proceed, as assuming I don't lose my notes, this is far superior with the anchor system.
Anyway, regarding screenshots, just so I understand for the future, what would have been helpful for me to include in that last screenshot?0 -
Note: he lost a workflow; nothing from the Notes tool. I'm not saying that it's not important, just that it's different from the notes you are working with.
In general, more context is always helpful in every screenshot. As much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's even more important now with the different toolbars. I would have been looking for clues as to whether the notebooks were duplicates or if something went sideways in your efforts to import notes, etc. With no context there are no clues as to what's going on.
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Note: he lost a workflow; nothing from the Notes tool. I'm not saying that it's not important, just that it's different from the notes you are working with.
Hi @Aaron Hamilton, I agree 100% that his workflow is important, but I appreciate you clarifying this distinction. He began the post saying it was notes, flat out notes, but then later on in the thread he clarifies it was notes from an "Inductive Bible Study workflow" which I think is that thing where you are writing notes within a template giving you prompted comments, as opposed to "notes." Given the original post (which I guess I will list here just to be organized since we are talking about it), I thought that the workflow created notes just like the normal notes, but it sounds like they are two different animals if I understand correctly.
In general, more context is always helpful in every screenshot. As much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's even more important now with the different toolbars. I would have been looking for clues as to whether the notebooks were duplicates or if something went sideways in your efforts to import notes, etc. With no context there are no clues as to what's going on.
Thanks for clarifying this, and you raise a good point about the different toolbars. In the screenshot I had just right clicked on a verse and went down to the "add note" and saw that, so I was nowhere near the toolbar, but I will try to keep this in mind regarding screenshots for the future.
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Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
So I think I figured it out, but it now prompts another question. As you know, I have this huge problem with Logos opening a new pane of the notes, even when they are open, since it misreads my carpel tunnel as grabbing. This is so annoying that I finally decided to stop fighting it, and when it opens a new tab I just roll with it and continue working. However, it occurred to me that that might be the problem. So I closed all the extra tabs, and that in fact did fix it. So that at least explains it.
However, now that I see that the system is literally counting each tab as a new file, I'm worried if it won't save correctly and would appreciate your thoughts.
In this screenshot the left side is how it was prompting this post, and then the right side is what it is like after I closed all those duplicate tabs Logos opened. The generic "notes" without a name on the left side is the Lk class, and I have no idea why it called it Lk once and then just nothing the other times.
Also, on the bottom of the left side I am attaching what the shortcuts look like, but I don't think that matters.
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First of all, beautiful screenshots! That is so much nicer to look at than the one of the three Genesis notebooks.
Ok, your observations make sense. In my own testing, I observed that the context menu you have open displays the 5 most recent instances of notebooks being opened, with the most recently opened notebook listed at the top. So if you have multiple instances of the same notebook open, that one notebook can take up multiple spaces. Once you close the duplicates, you will no longer be able to select multiple instances of the same notebook, so those spaces in the context menu will be filled with other notebooks.
The unnamed notes simply ran out of space. If you were to open up more space by closing the surrounding notebooks, the name of the notebook would appear again.
now that I see that the system is literally counting each tab as a new file, I'm worried if it won't save correctly and would appreciate your thoughts.
Honestly, Logos impressed me here. The transfer of the notes from one notebook to the duplicate instances of that same notebook is very fast. Give it a test run, and you'll see what I mean. I don't think Logos is treating these instances as separate files. It appears to me more like multiple shortcuts to the same file. I don't forsee you having any problems, regardless of how many instances of the same notebook you have open.
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First of all, beautiful screenshots! That is so much nicer to look at than the one of the three Genesis notebooks.
Hi @Aaron Hamilton,
I'm glad you liked them. :)
Ok, your observations make sense. In my own testing, I observed that the context menu you have open displays the 5 most recent instances of notebooks being opened, with the most recently opened notebook listed at the top.
My understanding is that this is just how Logos does it, and everyone has 5 there (assuming they have 5 notebooks or more), is this correct?
The unnamed notes simply ran out of space. If you were to open up more space by closing the surrounding notebooks, the name of the notebook would appear again.
Up at the top that makes sense, but I had expected the "add note" section to still say the full name. I guess under "add note" it will crunch the name of the class if it is crunched at the top, apparently.
Honestly, Logos impressed me here. The transfer of the notes from one notebook to the duplicate instances of that same notebook is very fast. Give it a test run, and you'll see what I mean. I don't think Logos is treating these instances as separate files. It appears to me more like multiple shortcuts to the same file. I don't forsee you having any problems, regardless of how many instances of the same notebook you have open.
Ya, I have been really impressed with the speed too. Even having multiple tabs of the same notebook open, it doesn't seem to matter where I type, as all the tabs look identical. (Apart from only the original being sorted by reference, and the rest which Logos opened for itself are sorted by "Notebook." I am still not sure what that sort is supposed to mean when I only have one notebook open.) In any case, as long as you think it is safe to do, then I won't be concerned if it lists the same class multiple times. Thank you for checking that.
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My understanding is that this is just how Logos does it, and everyone has 5 there (assuming they have 5 notebooks or more), is this correct?
Right, it appears that the context menu provides shortcuts of up to the last 5 notebooks for convenience.
I had expected the "add note" section to still say the full name. I guess under "add note" it will crunch the name of the class if it is crunched at the top, apparently.
This was not my experience. I believe the add note section does say the full name, regardless of whether the name of the tab is hidden. Perhaps there was confusion as to the name of the most recent Notes tabs opened? "Notes" indicates that an instance of the notes tool was accessed that was not filtered by notebook.
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