Geneva Bible

Considering the Geneva Bible is arguably the most important Bible ever printed in the English language; I am amazed that it is not in Libronix! After investigation, it seems realistic that an interlinear version could actually be built using the same TR versions used for the Geneva Bible.

According to the latest copies of the NKJ, Biblical scholars are rethinking the validity of the eclectic CT; this is based on the underwhelming support that has not been found and the overwhelming support that continues to mount in favor of the Greek common texts.

I am not here to argue whether or not the Geneva Bible, that hundreds of people died for over a period of hundreds of years to protect, preserve and translate, is based on the most accurate Greek texts. I am just making the statement that is seems odd that Libronox has not paid much attention to this particular text.

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George Somsel

Considering the Geneva Bible is arguably the most important Bible ever printed in the English language; I am amazed that it is not in Libronix! After investigation, it seems realistic that an interlinear version could actually be built using the same TR versions used for the Geneva Bible.

According to the latest copies of the NKJ, Biblical scholars are rethinking the validity of the eclectic CT; this is based on the underwhelming support that has not been found and the overwhelming support that continues to mount in favor of the Greek common texts.

I am not here to argue whether or not the Geneva Bible, that hundreds of people died for over a period of hundreds of years to protect, preserve and translate, is based on the most accurate Greek texts. I am just making the statement that is seems odd that Libronox has not paid much attention to this particular text.

Support for the critical text is not so underwhelming as you would pretend, nor is support for other texts so very overwhelming. Even should the CT be displaced, it will not be by the TR which is a corrupt text by any standard. If it were to be displaced, it would be by the Byz Maj, but I don't see that happening -- not any time soon nor any time late. Hav ing said that, I have no objection to the Geneva Bible being published -- "Let a thousand schools compete." My only purpose in writing in response is to note that you are off base in your presuppositions and have been "picked off" [baseball terms for those not from the US -- when a runner is caught without having his foot on the base and is touched by the fielding team with the ball, he is said to be "picked off.")

Ted Hans

Support for the critical text is not so underwhelming as you would pretend, nor is support for other texts so very overwhelming. Even should the CT be displaced, it will not be by the TR which is a corrupt text by any standard. If it were to be displaced, it would be by the Byz Maj, but I don't see that happening -- not any time soon nor any time late. Hav ing said that, I have no objection to the Geneva Bible being published -- "Let a thousand schools compete." My only purpose in writing in response is to note that you are off base in your presuppositions and have been "picked off" [baseball terms for those not from the US -- when a runner is caught without having his foot on the base and is touched by the fielding team with the ball, he is said to be "picked off.")

Now what is this? Ken(TR) at the hands of an angry puritanical textual critic George Somsel.[6]

Ted.

Ken Avery

George,

This post is not about yours nor my opinion; it is about history, it is about Libronix giving respect to an effort that took hundreds of years and hundreds of lives to complete. The effort and lives given that culminated in the Geneva Bible is not in question; it is recorded in history along with the fruit of the Reformers and the men who's shoulders they stood on.

The least we can do is honor their sacrifice and publish their work, considering; their work, had a profound impact on the world that exists today. I say this work is just as worthy of publication as the "Message" and all the other translations that are not considered perfect by some. How can people contrast the differences in underlying texts if all they are ever offered is one opinion, the opinion of the CT folks.

Are the CT translations so frail that they cannot stand side-by-side with possibly the most accurate English Bible translation and be examined; this raises more concerns than answers, why hide all of the common text Bibles and mainly produce CT Bibles? Oddly, the KJV is a "Latinized" version of the Geneva Bible and that is the only real translation that is offered to those of us who do not see the "science" behind the CT.

Why are we not given Reformation Bible choices and given hundreds of CT translations? This stinks of censorship, I can purchase the Bibles and find plenty of disagreement between scholars to know that the matter is not settled; though, in Libronix I am not given choices.

The question is why not the Geneva Bible?

God bless you and keep you,

Ken

Rich DeRuiter

The question is why not the Geneva Bible?

I agree that the Geneva Bible is interesting for historical reasons. I don't see a reason not to publish it.

Instead of complaining that it's not published, why not simply request it? But why stop there? Why not the Tyndale and Wycliffe Bibles?

If memory serves, it has been requested before. So far there hasn't been much interest it.

Matthew C Jones

Now what is this? Ken(TR) at the hands of an angry puritanical textual critic George Somsel.

Ted,

How can this be? The Puritans carried the Geneva Bible with them. "Puritanical textual critic" is an oxymoron, is it not?

Ted Hans

Now what is this? Ken(TR) at the hands of an angry puritanical textual critic George Somsel.

Ted,

How can this be? The Puritans carried the Geneva Bible with them. "Puritanical textual critic" is an oxymoron, is it not?

I stand corrected Matthew. I was speaking functionally & not ontologically, i do see the irony though[:D]

Ted.

Matthew C Jones

This post is not about yours nor my opinion; it is about history, it is about Libronix giving respect to an effort that took hundreds of years and hundreds of lives to complete. The effort and lives given that culminated in the Geneva Bible is not in question; it is recorded in history along with the fruit of the Reformers and the men who's shoulders they stood on.

The least we can do is honor their sacrifice and publish their work, considering; their work, had a profound impact on the world that exists today. I say this work is just as worthy of publication as the "Message" and all the other translations that are not considered perfect by some. How can people contrast the differences in underlying texts if all they are ever offered is one opinion, the opinion of the CT folks.

Ken,

To a pragmatist (like George) defining the value of a book by the lives sacrificed for it doesn't go very far. Consider modern day Jihadists. The fruit of the believers who read the Geneva Bible should carry some weight. The real beauty of both the Geneva Bible and the King James Bible is the underlying text. (Although the English rendering is also exquisite.)

The very fact we have current "new" scholarship that constantly contradicts last decade's "new" scholarship proves the fallibility of the scholars. It is easy to see the "science" of textual criticism requires constant revisions and tools for critical analysis. Gone are the days Bible study was done with a Bible, pen and blank noteook. Those likely to use the Geneva Bible probably won't be buying as much additional tools to interpret the "true meaning" of the text.

Still, having the Geneva Bible in our Libronix library would be welcome by many users (for whatever reasons.) An interlinear should not be difficult as you point out. I would enjoy both very much. But I probably ascribe too great a respect for the Geneva Bible compared to others on the forum.

Ken Avery

The question is why not the Geneva Bible?

I agree that the Geneva Bible is interesting for historical reasons. I don't see a reason not to publish it.

Instead of complaining that it's not published, why not simply request it? But why stop there? Why not the Tyndale and Wycliffe Bibles?

If memory serves, it has been requested before. So far there hasn't been much interest it.

You make a great point; how does one make this sort of request?

Vincent Setterholm

This stinks of censorship

There's no censorship going on. We've just been very busy. We already offer a dizzying array of TR and Byzantine Greek texts for your study and comparison purposes. I'd love to see the Geneva and the Bishop's Bible, if for no other reason than those were the Bibles readily available to Shakespeare, and might help me spot biblical allusions in his works.

Ted Hans

This stinks of censorship

There's no censorship going on. We've just been very busy. We already offer a dizzying array of TR and Byzantine Greek texts for your study and comparison purposes. I'd love to see the Geneva and the Bishop's Bible, if for no other reason than those were the Bibles readily available to Shakespeare, and might help me spot biblical allusions in his works.

Thanks, i will add an Amen to that. Does that mean we are likely to this happen ( Geneva and the Bishop's Bible)?

Ted.

Ken Avery

Not to be ungrateful for all of the wonderful Greek texts; I was really hoping to read some of the most important English Bible Translations ever written in English, in English. The Bishops Bible is not that interesting considering it's sorted past; I am more interested in English Bibles founded on Tyndale's translation and the underlying text the Reformers so desperately endeavored to preserve; the Geneva Bible is the crowning glory of their sacrifice.

Anyone familiar with the history of the English Bible, the different translations and the series of translations leading up to the Geneva Bible will notice the conspicuous no-inclusion of these great works in Libronix. My list would be: Wycliffe, Tyndale, Matthew's, and Geneva; this is a nice representation of English Bibles based on the Vulgate and non-Alexandrian Greek texts.

Fortunately several other Bible Software companies have picked up the ball that Libronix so obviously dropped; for whatever reason, it is not important to me why, it is just conspicuously missing.

God bless you and keep you,
Ken

MJ. Smith

Puritanical textual critic

Okay - enough about Puritans. They kicked my great-great-great-great-great ...grandmother out of the Boston colony - she was banned until the late 1940's but at least she was finally allowed back... she somehow never showed up. (Think Anne Marbury Hutchinson ... and I can claim Rebecca Norse/Nurse of Salem fame as well).

Christian Girl

Yes Geneva Bible by itself and not in a package of 20 bibles (like is currently on community pricing) [Y]

Matthew C Jones

Hey everybody,

I ran across the Geneva Bible in one of those old Libronix collecions. It is Essentially [;)] a very cheap collection in a boxed set and can be found all over the internet.......

Tom

Hey everybody,

I ran across the Geneva Bible in one of those old Libronix collecions. It is Essentially a very cheap collection in a boxed set and can be found all over the internet.......

IF you have the unlock codes (or what ever it is called for the libronix version) with the E4 disk

I have it and I agree with the other posters, the notes would be nice, but I do not forsee that as being included in the collecion

P A

Geneva Bible here.

http://www.logos.com/product/16808/english-bible-collection