Sad. Disappointed.

Randall Mueller · 2025-05-30T00:01:02+00:00

There was an error rendering this rich post.

God said to Abram he could not go yet to the promised land because the "sins of the Amorites has not yet been fulfilled"…

Well. that intriqued me as usually. I asked my self, "why did he pick them out of all of the nations"?

So, I opened the search bar. "sins of the Amorites". 100's of results. maybe a handful that did NOT have a lock on the results. Do it yourselve.

I have Gold package and pay for "Max" monthly.. I thought this was just pitiful.

How about also give the dang results based on what "YOU" have available and list what you don't last….

Find more posts tagged with

Wordsearch

Comments

NetworkGeek

It sounds like you may have done an "All" smart search @Randall Mueller which searches ALL - yours and Logos books. Logos books are locked as you saw.

Try doing a 'Books' search, which only searches your books/resources. There is an option to click and see unowned resources at the very end as I recall, after it exhausts your results. It sounds like you might be happier with that.

xnman

I did a search of "the sins of the Amorites" and got several pages of answers. I did use the "Books" search. I am on "Pro" subscription and my library is not that big.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370809#Comment_1370809

I can hit the "more" options three times and never see a locked symbol. I suspect this is solely a function of your library having few occurrences of the exact phrase, assuming you used the quotation marks. Without the quotation marks the results a different but I still don't get any lock symbols in the first three "more" options.

DMB

The other problem is using quotes for the phrase. 'sins of the amorites' is biased to the LXX and Fathers usage, due largely to the greek plural (hebrew singular "sin of the amorites"). Then, there's sins vs iniquities vs craftiness, etc.

AI would be the better query?

(I agree, unowned preceding owned is testing user trust in FL).

DAL

Reminds me of my Smart Bible search this afternoon. I typed Pope and all the verses where Peter is mentioned come up 🤦🏻‍♂️ Smart Bible Search not so smart. Maybe my query was wrong, but I wanted to know how many times the word “Pope” appears in the Bible and of course the answer is ZERO like the “Precise” search got it right!

MJ. Smith

Pope = Old English papa > Latin pope (classical tutor) > Greek papas (bishop, father)

but I wanted to know how many times the word “Pope” appears in the Bible and of course the answer is ZERO like the “Precise” search got it right!

So because the English word does not appear in your translation, you are saying that papa/tutor does not occur in the Bible ? … isn't this a case of GIGO? PS. I agree that "Pope" in the sense of the Bishop of Rome and Bishop of Alexandria would be anachronistic to find in a translation.

John W Gillis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370654#Comment_1370654

I don't think Logos users wanting to make use of their libraries should be expected to substitute a 'Books' search instead of an 'All' search to avoid being peppered with what are basically advertisements to buy more books. I recall this happening with some frequency when the new version first came out (and being pretty miffed about it), but it seemed to go away. I did run into it again once several weeks ago, but it seems rare now. Nonetheless, this example points to some additional tweaking that FL might want to consider.

"Bookstore" is already an option to search, so anyone who wants to see what FL has available for additional resources related to a given search target can get those results without having them mixed into a library search, which is almost certainly what virtually everybody wants to search when they choose 'All'. 'All' is the only option that will give you not only books, but also Documents (Notebooks, Sermons, et al.), Factbook, etc. At most, bookstore suggestions should be optional inclusions in the 'All' search. I concur that it is disappointing at best when you find your library search results dominated by them!

John W Gillis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370819#Comment_1370819

I don't know how or why this happens, but I'm not sure your suspicion is completely on-target - even if it could play a role. Taking this precise phrase as a search string myself, and searching 'Books', I get: "Your Books 58 results in 57 articles in 50 resources". That's a respectably rich results set.

On the other hand, 'switching to All' returns an unknown number of non-sortable/non-groupable results, the top two of which are locked, as is the 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 16th, 17th, 19th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 25th, 26th, 28th, 29th, 33rd, 37th, 47th, and 48th of the 50 results returned on my first page of hits. That is: 4 of the top 5, 7 of the top 10, and 18 of the top 25 search results are locked resources. That's just not right…

GaoLu

My library would be considered big by some, enormous by others.

"All" search for "sins of the Amorites" using quotation marks nets me 19 locked resources appearing first. Then a few from my library, then mostly locked, and an occasional unlocked…after scrolling a long time.

Removing quotations marks gets me about the same.

That is useless unless I am hunting for resources I don't have. Or unless I am in "I want advertisements in my Bible program" mode. Which has never happened. But I bet people who want that exist.

Using "Books" gets me pages of local hits. Nothing locked.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370842#Comment_1370842

@MJ. Smith Oh the discussion you and I could have on this!! I'm biting my lip and chewing my tongue so my fingers won't start…. LOL 😎

Roger Pitot

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1370904#Comment_1370904

You call it "being peppered with…advertisements". I call it an opportunity to (1) see books that I don't own and which might be worth buying if I'm really interested and (2) a summary of what books I don't own have to say about the subject.
So I love All search.

xnman

@John W Gillis You make an interesting point about the "All" Search. Maybe in the All Search they could list my resources first and then later list their "locked" advertisement resources? As it stands now, I get pages and pages of "locked" resource advertisements that seem to go to forever. Probably because I don't have as big a library as some.

But I of the opinion that no matter what category of Search I use, I should get my resources first, then the "locked" resources.

Just my 2 cents… 😎

GaoLu

Truth be told (always a good idea), I like the list of locked resources, as long as I see my own first. Imagine a toggle (not buried beneath 10 discovery menu items) where you could simply turn on the advertisements when you wanted to see them. Off by default, of course. I'm 100% sure I would use that feature at least once every couple years.

Roger Pitot

I don't agree with the view that the locked resources are advertisements. They give us something for nothing, what is wrong with that? The summaries from the articles in locked resources are often very helpful. If you don't want them with one click you can go to books.
In the example above about the Amorites, these are the first few summaries I get from locked resources, all useful:

The Sin of the Amorites

The article discusses God's promise to Abraham regarding the land of Canaan and the eventual judgment on the Amorites due to their sins. It highlights God's patience and timing, as He waited until the Amorites' sins reached their peak before allowing Israel to conquer the land. It also notes Israel's later turn to idol worship, leading to their own judgment.

Lesson 18: War and Peace by the Word of the Lord

The article discusses the Israelites' journey through Edom and Moab, emphasizing their obedience to God's commands not to provoke these nations. It highlights the impending judgment on the Amorites due to their wickedness, culminating in Israel's conquest of their land after King Sihon refused peace. The Israelites finally gained territory, marking a significant moment in their history.

Appendix Four: Ancient Israel’s Conquest of Canaan

The article discusses the biblical account of Israel's conquest of Canaan, focusing on the moral implications of God's commands to destroy the inhabitants, particularly the Amorites. It explores the concept of progressive revelation, arguing that while God accommodated human understanding, He never condoned morally wrong actions. The text emphasizes God's holiness, judgment on sin, and the ultimate revelation of His love through Jesus Christ.

Genesis Chapter Fifteen

The article discusses the basis for God's judgment of the Amorites, emphasizing that they were judged not by direct laws but by moral principles established for humanity. It explains that God's promise to Abram regarding the land of Canaan was based on His sovereignty and covenant, not on the merit of Abram's descendants

Amos2:9–12 Worse than the Amorites

The article discusses the prophetic messages of Amos, emphasizing the moral failings of Israel compared to the Amorites, a group historically judged by God for their sins. Amos delivers a stark warning at the city gate, where the elite dismiss his words, believing their faults are minor. However, God’s judgment is imminent due to Israel's greater iniquities, including idolatry and oppression of the poor. The Amorites, characterized by their arrogance and strength, faced destruction after generations of sin, serving as a cautionary tale for Israel. God’s past acts of deliverance for the Israelites from Egypt highlight their current moral decay. Despite being given prophets and examples of faith, Israel has consistently rejected divine guidance. The article concludes that the pervasive corruption in Israel's political, social, and religious structures has left them vulnerable to judgment, as they have ignored the calls for repentance from God’s messengers.