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Me, too! Part of why I invested in Logos was a more extensive availability of resources. I was surprised therefore when on the same day I looked for Carta maps and EGGNT and found they were both missing in Logos, even though they are both premier resources. I sent an email to both those companies encouraging them to make them available in Logos, but never heard back from them.Bruce Dunning said:All this talk about getting Carta in other software programs makes me sad.
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Actually they only have one EGGNT available and it’s in Faithlife e-book format. It’s the volume on Hebrews: https://ebooks.faithlife.com/search?query=Eggnt&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&filters=status-live_Status&ownership=all
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If you want Carta in Logos 9, please take a minute to suggest it on FL's Logos 9 Wishlist.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
If you want Carta in Logos 9, please take a minute to suggest it on FL's Logos 9 Wishlist.
[Y] That's one of the first things I did this morning!
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PetahChristian said:
If you want Carta in Logos 9, please take a minute to suggest it on FL's Logos 9 Wishlist.
Great idea. Doing it now.
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Myke Harbuck said:PetahChristian said:
If you want Carta in Logos 9, please take a minute to suggest it on FL's Logos 9 Wishlist.
Great idea. Doing it now.
Me too! Done!
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When I was attempting to work with Carta, they were very interested in Faithlife distributing/reselling their "Biblewhere" subscription product instead of licensing their individual titles like they had done for years with other Bible Software companies. This was a new business model they were pursuing and understandably, they didn't want anything disrupting it. I suspect they are still focusing 100% on Biblewhere and that remains the sole reason they are not doing any new licensing of their existing titles. I've been out of the game now for over a year, so this is purely speculation. I would be delighted to see Faithlife and Carta come to a deal.
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Thank you, Bill, for an explanation, and your efforts in attempting to license Carta’s titles.
I’ve known about Biblewhere for a long time. There are two issues that don’t make Biblewhere a good fit for me.
First, I want to buy books rather than subscribe to them.
Second, I’ve already got access to people, places, topics, and verses within Logos. I’m not interested in dividing my time or money between different Bible study software.
I hope Carta Jerusalem can appreciate that there are plenty of Logos customers who are committed to purchasing Logos editions of their titles.
Thanks again, Bill.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Bill, welcome back to the forums thanks for weighing in with your explanation. I'm sure Faithlife misses you a lot but I'm pleased to see the difference you are making in your new career.
Your explanation of Biblewhere makes sense and is helpful for this community. I totally agree with PetachChristian's reason' why it is not a good fit for many using Logos - ownership vs subscription and dividing time and money between two companies. I sincerely hope that Faithlife would pursue solving this challenge pray to that end.
Meanwhile, as I have always done, I choose to be optimistic. I think a agreement between Faithlife and Carta would benefit both companies and not sacrifice Carta's objectives.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Meanwhile, as I have always done, I choose to be optimistic.
And .... ALWAYS buy when you need something, even if squeezing the dollars. There's so many major resources I got 'on theory' that later were removed, or no longer an option. Digital has few 'used book stores'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Bill Nienhuis said:
When I was attempting to work with Carta, they were very interested in Faithlife distributing/reselling their "Biblewhere" subscription product instead of licensing their individual titles like they had done for years with other Bible Software companies. This was a new business model they were pursuing and understandably, they didn't want anything disrupting it. I suspect they are still focusing 100% on Biblewhere and that remains the sole reason they are not doing any new licensing of their existing titles. I've been out of the game now for over a year, so this is purely speculation. I would be delighted to see Faithlife and Carta come to a deal.
Well Carta have just licensed the 22 volumes of the Understanding the Bible Series to another Bible Software company that was able to offer it for sub $100 as the initial offer price. It is now $322.25 as the regular price.
So that does not fit in with them having a 100% focus on Biblewhere, though it does offer insight at least into what was FL's stumbling block so that is appreciated Bill. I wonder though if FL has gone back to them recently given what licensing this other Bible Software company was able to negotiate with them.
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Well, not a single sock hanging from the chimney had Logos' announcement that at last, Carta had arrived. Grinches, grinches, foiled again!
But for those who dream, the copy below is a zoom-in of a Carta photo, that speaks to a major warning from various pastors worldwide each and every Sunday. If you had Carta, you'd 'know'!
Actually, it was today's reading (looking) at lunch. Carta's like the old Look magazine. Very 'thumb-able'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Something more to keep map enthusiasts alive while waiting:
https://vici.org/#5/33.988681617078726,25.460886904999516
Nice pictures and interesting comments:
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I emailed Carta Jerusalem on December 31st, asking if they'd make their books available in Logos, but haven't heard anything back...
Hoping Carta and FL can negotiate a beneficial agreement for their books!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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I found there are several Carta maps inside The Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas by Paul H. Wright. It's an excellent book!
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Ted Weis said:
I found there are several Carta maps inside The Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas by Paul H. Wright. It's an excellent book!
Yes, I have this resource too. But I still really hope that we can get all the Carta resources in Logos in the future.
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I echo that thought. May this strand remain active until Carta comes!
Bruce Dunning said:Ted Weis said:I found there are several Carta maps inside The Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas by Paul H. Wright. It's an excellent book!
Yes, I have this resource too. But I still really hope that we can get all the Carta resources in Logos in the future.
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Ted Weis said:
I echo that thought. May this strand remain active until Carta comes!
Bruce Dunning said:Ted Weis said:I found there are several Carta maps inside The Rose Then and Now Bible Map Atlas by Paul H. Wright. It's an excellent book!
Yes, I have this resource too. But I still really hope that we can get all the Carta resources in Logos in the future.
Hopefully, it won’t be another decade or this might be the oldest active thread in the forums.
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Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Now that made me laugh out loud. Carta? Carta? Carta? [:D]
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Apparently there’s some licensing agreement in place that let two Carta Jerusalem resources appear in pre-pub!
Thanks to Faithlife and Carta Jerusalem for this wonderful progress, and thanks to DAL for bringing it to our attention!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Bill Nienhuis said:
When I was attempting to work with Carta, they were very interested in Faithlife distributing/reselling their "Biblewhere" subscription product instead of licensing their individual titles like they had done for years with other Bible Software companies. This was a new business model they were pursuing and understandably, they didn't want anything disrupting it. I suspect they are still focusing 100% on Biblewhere and that remains the sole reason they are not doing any new licensing of their existing titles. I've been out of the game now for over a year, so this is purely speculation. I would be delighted to see Faithlife and Carta come to a deal.
Has anyone let Bill know that some sort of deal has been worked out? (Thanks, Bill, for your efforts!)
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Sacred Bridge is on pre-pub now https://www.logos.com/product/190963/the-sacred-bridge-cartas-atlas-of-the-biblical-world-2nd-ed
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There are now 7 Carta books in PrePub!!!
I got so excited, I accidentally bought one twice! [:D]
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Charlene said:
There are now 7 Carta books in PrePub!!!
I got so excited, I accidentally bought one twice!
I'm so excited too. I've advocated for this for years. Praise the Lord!!!
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Bruce Dunning said:
I've advocated for this for years.
Me too! There were a couple of times throughout the years that I almost gave in and bought from a competitor, but at the last minute I decided to not do that but "hang on a little bit longer." Now I am glad that I did!
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Charlene said:
There were a couple of times throughout the years that I almost gave in and bought from a competitor, but at the last minute I decided to not do that but "hang on a little bit longer." Now I am glad that I did!
I'm glad I waited too!
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Charlene said:
There are now 7 Carta books in PrePub!!!
There are 9 now. Does anyone have any idea how many there will be in the end?
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Bruce Dunning said:Charlene said:
There are now 7 Carta books in PrePub!!!
There are 9 now. Does anyone have any idea how many there will be in the end?
I don’t know how many they were able to license, but the “Understanding the Bible:....” series I have has 22 volumes and I don’t see any right now in the Logos prepub page. I’ve got 40 in my other Bible software and I don’t own them all. It’d be nice if Logos invented or bought from the competition the right to use their graphics viewer and to put together an “All Carta Collection.” The thing that holds me back from ordering all in Logos is their low grade graphics. I hope they don’t screw up these awesome resources by not giving them the ability to look great in the software or when they’re exported to PowerPoint.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Does anyone have any idea how many there will be in the end?
No idea, but flipping through Carta’s print catalog, I counted 99 books (assuming none appeared more than once in the catalog).
I hope FL can start to bundle them, that we might save over buying them individually.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:Bruce Dunning said:
Does anyone have any idea how many there will be in the end?
No idea, but flipping through Carta’s print catalog, I counted 99 books (assuming none appeared more than once in the catalog).
I hope FL can start to bundle them, that we might save over buying them individually.
In this first release (I hope there will be more in the future!), we'll have 13 individual titles and one bundle including all 13.
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Will the bundle be less than buying all individually on prepub?Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:and one bundle including all 13.
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Beloved said:
Will the bundle be less than buying all individually on prepub?Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:and one bundle including all 13.
I don't have access to the pricing in front of me at the moment, but I highly suspect that it will be. We try to use bundle discounting as often as we can, and I assume that'll be true here.
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Beloved said:
Will the bundle be less than buying all individually on prepub?Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:and one bundle including all 13.
Is there a link yet to the bundle? If we want the bundle, should we be deleting the 7 individual pre-purchases we have made?
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Mark said:
Is there a link yet to the bundle?
Not yet. Coming in the next couple of days, I think.
Mark said:If we want the bundle, should we be deleting the 7 individual pre-purchases we have made?
You can, but you don't have to. We'll ship the collection first, and then none of the individual pre-orders will process if you already own them.
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Great news! Thanks, Phil!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
In this first release (I hope there will be more in the future!), we'll have 13 individual titles and one bundle including all 13.
No complaints, thrilled with the release... merely curious how those 13 were selected, if it doesn’t violate any confidentiality. Was it a joint selection made by both companies?
Very grateful that something could be worked out, and we’re all hoping for more... keep them coming!
(l’ve never been more excited for a pre-order to ship, than for this one... the anticipation!)
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
curious how those 13 were selected, if it doesn’t violate any confidentiality. Was it a joint selection made by both companies?
We decided to start with the titles they're already distributing in the Bible software market and then explore other titles in the future after we see how these do.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:PetahChristian said:
curious how those 13 were selected, if it doesn’t violate any confidentiality. Was it a joint selection made by both companies?
We decided to start with the titles they're already distributing in the Bible software market and then explore other titles in the future after we see how these do.
So when will the big announcement be made? This is huge for Logos/FL since it took over a decade to finally get licenses for these resources. Home page exposure, blog article, e-mail propaganda, etc. Don’t wait to see how these do first. If you promote them correctly, these could sell like hot bread 🥖 🍞
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
We decided to start with the titles they're already distributing in the Bible software market and then explore other titles in the future after we see how these do
What a smart strategy.
Thanks again for making this finally happen. I think this is a win for both Faithlife and Carta Jerusalem. I can only imagine all the negotiations over the years.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:PetahChristian said:
curious how those 13 were selected, if it doesn’t violate any confidentiality. Was it a joint selection made by both companies?
We decided to start with the titles they're already distributing in the Bible software market and then explore other titles in the future after we see how these do.
This is very exciting news Phil! Thanks for all of the hard work of everyone involved! Carta and Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR) updates are the two standouts for which I have been holding out hope! Is there any chance we will be getting BAR updates?
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Joseph Turner said:Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:PetahChristian said:
curious how those 13 were selected, if it doesn’t violate any confidentiality. Was it a joint selection made by both companies?
We decided to start with the titles they're already distributing in the Bible software market and then explore other titles in the future after we see how these do.
This is very exciting news Phil! Thanks for all of the hard work of everyone involved! Carta and Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR) updates are the two standouts for which I have been holding out hope! Is there any chance we will be getting BAR updates?
Don’t forget about the Holman OT Commentary... still MIA in logos. Almost bought it in WS last night but I’ll hold out a bit longer. I agree Carta is great. I’ve never used it but everyone raves about it.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
...we'll have 13 individual titles and one bundle including all 13.
For those more familiar with any of these Carta resources, are there any in particular that are most worth having. There seems to be some degree of overlap amongst some of the Atlases, and I'd be interested to hear thoughts on whether people think the full 13 book bundle will be worth it, or if just 3 or 4 will get the job done.
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Myke Harbuck
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Kevin Clemens said:
For those more familiar with any of these Carta resources, are there any in particular that are most worth having.
First, you'd do well to see what the collection pricing might be. Carta atlases are a mixed bag. They start basic, move into historical, and then cap off at Sacred Bridge.
Below shows recent for me. My fav's are: Sacred Bridge (high-end and detailed), Torrent/Echos (inscriptions), and then the Quest (underneath Jerusalem).
I notice many look at Carta as 'maps'. That's a mistake. The primary value is the accompanying text and cross-refs.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
I notice many look at Carta as 'maps'. That's a mistake. The primary value is the accompanying text and cross-refs.
That is a great clarification Denise.
Kevin Clemens said:For those more familiar with any of these Carta resources, are there any in particular that are most worth having.
If I were only to get one map resource from Carta it would be Sacred Bridge.
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Very useful!. When I was reading sections of forum comments, I seem to have mentally conflated the comments about Carta, with comments on how beautiful the maps were when viewed on another unmentionable platform.Denise said:I notice many look at Carta as 'maps'. That's a mistake. The primary value is the accompanying text and cross-refs.
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And in case you are interested, there are a few new ones that were added.
https://www.logos.com/search?query=carta%20jerusalem&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all
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Charlene said:
And in case you are interested, there are a few new ones that were added.
https://www.logos.com/search?query=carta%20jerusalem&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all
Yes, 12 are listed now. Once there are 13 Phil said that a further discounted package of all 13 would be offered. We continue to wait patiently.
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There are now 13 listed. So hopefully the Bundle will be soon coming, and the pricing break will be great, since there are a few that are expensive.
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