Things that I'd still love to see.
1. An "x" on individual tabs like in other tabbed programs. The "x" on the edge of the pane should be for closing the pane.
2. A right-click context menu when clicking on the blank part of a pane to close that pane.
3. The ability to select phrases and send them to one's preferred English language dictionaries... eg. "Son of Man"
4. The ability to set up a "My Passage Guide" which overrides the default Passage Guide... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/871/7522.aspx
5. The same parallel resource functionality as in v3. The presence of a drop down box to chose parallel bibles / commentaries. The presence of arrows to cycle through such resources.
6. Multi-column layout for reading view
7. Legible sigla in NA27 and BHS
8. Custom icons for shortcuts on the toolbar.
9. The ability to update a saved layout with the current program layout through the right-click context menu.
10. With Dave Hooton. Separation of priorities from My Library. I'm sure this could be done by reusing the Library code but getting rid of extraneous fields etc. Prioritisation needs to be easier.
11. Get rid of the insane left side of the New Tab.... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1021/8240.aspx
12. The ability to turn off pericope guessing
13. The ability to chose the standard behaviour of the passage search bar from the home page. I would like to set it to just run passage guide. (But, I would only use it if the latest addition of the information window and text comparison tool were dropped)
14. The ability to sync computers over a home network (as in iTunes 9)
15. The ability to tag, rate, and change the abbreviated titles for resources from the main library window without opening the information pane; The ability to tag books in the information pane of the actual resource.
16. The "Cited By" tool needs improvement... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1183/9495.aspx
17. An explanation for the way in which search results are "Ranked"
18. Search results "Ranked by Book" with the book results collapsible.
19. The ability to export a reading plan to a calendar file.
20. Consistency in the placement of items in the right click context menus. (copy, Power Lookup, etc.)
21. A close button for the resource information panel in My Library
22. The ability to unlink all resources.
23. For the Power Lookup tool to not be set to follow when triggered by a word or bible reference.
24. To provide more than five lines of information in the Information Tool when hovering over a Gk word: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1321/10573.aspx
25. Give us a bible reference in the Passage Guide!
26. The ability to download program updates separately from resource updates.
27. Real information about the resources which need downloading.
28. Access to information about which resources have been updated - which I should have but do not.
29. Change the command from "autoupdate now" to "udate now"
30. System Ranges for Bible searches which do not assume that the user is protestant. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/2293/17342.aspx
31. More size options for images rather than just fit and actual size.
32. Passage Guide sections which operate like in v3.
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Damian McGrath said:
12. The ability to turn off pericope guessing
Damian McGrath said:15. The ability to tag, rate, and change the abbreviated titles for resources from the main library window without opening the information pane; The ability to tag books in the information pane of the actual resource.
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Hmmm, now I know what happens when I accidentally hit "Post" instead of "Quote" and then cancel the post. It still posts what was sent even if the post wasn't completed.
Damian,
Great fairly comprehensive list. I like just about all the
suggestions ("just about" because some are about issues I don't use
enough to know). I would like to second the following.Damian McGrath said:12. The ability to turn off pericope guessing
This slows my system and generally isn't very useful since I know what I want to study.
Damian McGrath said:15. The ability to tag, rate, and change the abbreviated titles for resources from the main library window without opening the information pane; The ability to tag books in the information pane of the actual resource.
I would especially like this from the resource itself. I am often reading a resource, would like to makes these updates and can't without going through the library and the various steps involved. A quick change from the Info button on the resource seems fitting.
Damian McGrath said:18. Search results "Ranked by Book" with the book results collapsible.
The full list is very overwelming, enough so that I never use the "Ranked by Book" view. I would like them collapsed by default for a quick overview of the books, with my preferred books showing first, then I can expand books which may be useful.
Damian McGrath said:25. Give us a bible reference in the Passage Guide!
Yes, Yes, Yes. There should be a reference link to open a Bible as in L3. This really needs to be there since it is the most important reference in studying the passage. The others should all be cut before that one (not that I want the other options removed).
Damian McGrath said:26. The ability to download program updates separately from resource updates.
The more control the better. There should be a special warning whenever any type of update is about to happen that will require a reindex or other lengthy, system intensive procedure.
Damian McGrath said:27. Real information about the resources which need downloading.
This would help in knowing which resources to download first to set priorities on limited download ability.
Damian McGrath said:32. Passage Guide sections which operate like in v3.
Here is my order of preference for how these sections would work:
1. Each one can be individually customized to be expanded/collapsed by default
2. User can chose to be expanded/collapsed by default
3. Collapsed by default
It currently takes my computer forever to run the passage guide & generally finishes my most desired section (commentaries) last. I usually end up closing sections as soon as they finish loading since I don't want them. It would be great if they didn't run in the first place. (I know they can be totally removed from the passage guide and I have removed a few, but there are many I would like to have available, but not run unless I open them.
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Agree, though I have reservations about 1 & 2 (sufficient space), 9 (not fussy about specific layout), 13 (don't use Home), 32 (happy with My PG + Add, especially if it becomes default PG).
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Dave Hooton said:
reservations about 1 & 2 (sufficient space)
Space should not be an issue. It's possible to make the "x" a hover or make it appear upon selecting that tab. This is how a number of programs deal with the issue. For me, Logos should emulate other tabbed programs. All of these, to my knowledge, place the "x" on the tab itself. The "x" disappears when the tab shrinks to a certain size,
Re 2, space is not an issue here. I constantly right click on the blank space to no effect. I just seems logical to offer the opportunity to close the pane from the blank part of the pane.
Dave Hooton said:happy with My PG + Add, especially if it becomes default PG
I'd love of My Passage Guide became the default.
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Rob said:Damian McGrath said:
18. Search results "Ranked by Book" with the book results collapsible.
The full list is very overwelming, enough so that I never use the "Ranked by Book" view.
Rob,
currently, there is no Ranked by Book. There is ranked which I do not really understand but which offers hits from the same resource all over the place. There is by book which is alphabetical.
Rob said:It currently takes my computer forever to run the passage guide & generally finishes my most desired section (commentaries) last.
Yes, my problem too.
Rob said:there are many I would like to have available, but not run unless I open them
My thought exactly
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Damian McGrath said:
1. An "x" on individual tabs like in other tabbed programs. The "x" on the edge of the pane should be for closing the pane.
4. The ability to set up a "My Passage Guide" which overrides the default Passage Guide... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/871/7522.aspx
6. Multi-column layout for reading view
8. Custom icons for shortcuts on the toolbar.
12. The ability to turn off pericope guessing
22. The ability to unlink all resources.
24. To provide more than five lines of information in the Information Tool when hovering over a Gk word: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1321/10573.aspx
25. Give us a bible reference in the Passage Guide!
32. Passage Guide sections which operate like in v3.
HERE HERE!!
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Damian,
I agree with almost all of these, especially those below.
Damian McGrath said:1. An "x" on individual tabs like in other tabbed programs. The "x" on the edge of the pane should be for closing the pane.
Agreed. A rather large group of users are used to tabbed browsers, Opera, Firefox, IE7&8 all use them and close their tabs the same way. We are used to having the X on the tab itself. Whether superimposed or however, I'm in favor of the X on the tab. yes it takes up a bit more room, but it doesn't need to be huge. Make it small and "backgroundish" then when we hover over the tab itself, make it bright pink for all I care, but make it work the way everything else works and the way everyone is going to expect it to work.
Logos: you'll save yourself bunches of emails and calls, "How do I close a tab?"
Damian McGrath said:2. A right-click context menu when clicking on the blank part of a pane to close that pane.
And all the books on the pane too? Sounds great!
YES! ahem, I mean yes of course, that's a great idea.Damian McGrath said:4. The ability to set up a "My Passage Guide" which overrides the default Passage Guide... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/871/7522.aspx
Damian McGrath said:6. Multi-column layout for reading view
That would be quite nice. I've got a 22"widescreen monitor which means reading view is massive and frankly unusable. But if I could break it into say six reflowing columns than I could read amazingly fast. For speed reading I've found a column of about 10 words width on a steady scroll speed (if I'm scrolling) means I can pour through material much faster than normal.
Or speed it up until it's insanely fast and thus transparent even on an 8086 2.2Mhz machine. (ah, memories.)Damian McGrath said:12. The ability to turn off pericope guessing
Damian McGrath said:13. The ability to chose the standard behaviour of the passage search bar from the home page. I would like to set it to just run passage guide. (But, I would only use it if the latest addition of the information window and text comparison tool were dropped)
Yes yes yes yes yes! Please make this customizable. And please give us the chance to make a different layout the standard. Right now it's three panels 1 long and two stacked. I'd much rather make three long panels the standard (|1|2|3|).
Damian McGrath said:14. The ability to sync computers over a home network (as in iTunes 9)
While I love the idea, I wonder if it could be implemented without losing the cloud backup. I like the cloud backup. But I would indeed love it if local P2P were the standard. As an example sync.live.com does a great job of this.
ICS? yes please. Even vcal. Not all of us use Outlook. Many of us would rather pull off our toenails than use outlook (well I would anyway) but it's the default and only offering for export. Yuck.Damian McGrath said:19. The ability to export a reading plan to a calendar file.
What do you suggest Damian? I can't conceive of other functions at the moment.Damian McGrath said:31. More size options for images rather than just fit and actual size.
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What do you suggest Damian? I can't conceive of other functions at the moment.Damian McGrath said:31. More size options for images rather than just fit and actual size.
Thomas,
I'm thinking of a drop-down box with some scaled sizings: 25%, 50%, 75% as well as "Fit and "Actual size" (or 100%). On my netbook, "fit" is so small that it's like a thumbnail. Actual size for some images, esp maps, is unwieldy.
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Damian McGrath said:Dave Hooton said:
reservations about 1 & 2 (sufficient space)
Space should not be an issue. It's possible to make the "x" a hover or make it appear upon selecting that tab. This is how a number of programs deal with the issue. For me, Logos should emulate other tabbed programs. All of these, to my knowledge, place the "x" on the tab itself. The "x" disappears when the tab shrinks to a certain size,
Re 2, space is not an issue here. I constantly right click on the blank space to no effect. I just seems logical to offer the opportunity to close the pane from the blank part of the pane.
This is why I express reservations:-
Dave
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Dave, in Google Chrome, when the tabs reach a certain minimum size, the "x" is not visible until the tab has focus.
There are ways to deal with this issue which other programs have found.
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Good list. I don't think there is anything there I would disagree with. But in particular for me these are absolute musts in no specific order:
Damian McGrath said:4. The ability to set up a "My Passage Guide" which overrides the default Passage Guide... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/871/7522.aspx
6. Multi-column layout for reading view
10. With Dave Hooton. Separation of priorities from My Library. I'm sure this could be done by reusing the Library code but getting rid of extraneous fields etc. Prioritisation needs to be easier.
15. The ability to tag, rate, and change the abbreviated titles for resources from the main library window without opening the information pane; The ability to tag books in the information pane of the actual resource.
16. The "Cited By" tool needs improvement... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1183/9495.aspx
25. Give us a bible reference in the Passage Guide!
27. Real information about the resources which need downloading.
32. Passage Guide sections which operate like in v3.
Tried to narrow the absolute's down to 5 but couldn't get there... one more that is an absoulte that Damian didn't mention is improve bible explorer media seciton...too many irrelevant hits... e.g. we don't need every media referencing Jesus showing up. Only media resources direclty related to the passage or a parallel passage should show, expanded results can be accessed from biblical people, places and things. BE should be a quick entry point not an exhaustive list.
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Damian McGrath said:
There are ways to deal with this issue which other programs have found.
Yes - that's why I'm quite happy to close a tab on the right click menu as well as use "Close all Tabs" for a pane.
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AndrewMckenzie said:
one more that is an absoulte that Damian didn't mention
There are a few "absolute musts" that I know I missed. I went through my 500 posts in the Beta forum (excluding the ones from the last two days) and put them in list form.
There have been many good suggestions (including your one on improving Bible Explorer) which I failed to comment upon. They therefore didn't show up in my search.
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Dave Hooton said:Damian McGrath said:
There are ways to deal with this issue which other programs have found.
Yes - that's why I'm quite happy to close a tab on the right click menu as well as use "Close all Tabs" for a pane.
I was talking about the placement of the "x". I can't think of one tabbed program that doesn't have it on the tab itself. But all of them manage to provide means not to interfere with very small tabs (due to a large number of open tabs).
My problem with "Close all Tabs" for the pane is that you need to click on a tab. I keep clicking on the blank space after the tabs and I remember when the prgram first came out, I kept clicking on the "x" at the end of the pane itself.
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Damian McGrath said:
I was talking about the placement of the "x". I can't think of one tabbed program that doesn't have it on the tab itself. But all of them manage to provide means not to interfere with very small tabs (due to a large number of open tabs).
My problem with "Close all Tabs" for the pane is that you need to click on a tab. I keep clicking on the blank space after the tabs and I remember when the prgram first came out, I kept clicking on the "x" at the end of the pane itself.
I don't want to labour the point, but I had hoped you would see from the picture that :-
- the tabs are so small that it would be difficult/ugly/impossible to place an x such that you would not close a tab when you intended to open it (as you've just described) + I don't want the minimum tab size changed; and
- there is no blank space
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Dave Hooton said:
Ugly! I prefer the right-click.
It was a rough cut and past job...I'm sure the real thing would look prettier and it would only 'roll down' when you mouse is on the actual tab, at all other times it would be rolled up... either way I'm not offened if you don't like it...just visual storming some ideas.0 -
AndrewMckenzie said:
I'm sure the real thing would look prettier
I would still describe it as ugly (see my comment earlier), so I wasn't criticising your art work!
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Dave Hooton said:AndrewMckenzie said:
I'm sure the real thing would look prettier
I would still describe it as ugly (see my comment earlier), so I wasn't criticising your art work!
I know [:P], I'd be worried if anyone took my artwork seriously. This option came to mind from a combination of Damians comments and the drop down find box that appears when you do a CTRL-F.
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Updated.
1. An "x" on individual tabs like in other tabbed programs. The "x" on the edge of the pane should be for closing the pane.
Like Google chrome:
When all we have are images, the image for the active tab can be replaced by an 'x' which highlights on focus (as Chrome deals with it)
2. A right-click context menu when clicking on the blank part of a pane to close that pane.
3. The ability to select phrases and send them to one's preferred English language dictionaries... eg. "Son of Man"
4. The ability to set up a "My Passage Guide" which overrides the default Passage Guide... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/871/7522.aspx
5. The same parallel resource functionality as in v3.
a) The presence of a drop down box to chose parallel bibles / commentaries.
b. The ability to cycle with arrows through parallel resources.
b) The ability to set parallel resources separate from prioritisation
6. Multi-column layout for reading view
7. Legible sigla in NA27 and BHS
These are almost impossible to see:
8. Custom icons for shortcuts (or text labels) on the toolbar.
9. The ability to update a saved layout with the current program layout through the right-click context menu.
10. With Dave Hooton. Separation of priorities from My Library. I'm sure this could be done by reusing the Library code but getting rid of extraneous fields etc. Prioritisation needs to be easier.
11. Get rid of the insane left side of the New Tab.... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1021/8240.aspx
The new tab for WBC Mark 8:1 - begins with 35 volumes of Hermeneia
12. The ability to turn off pericope guessing
13. The ability to chose the standard behaviour of the passage search bar when run from the home page. I would like to set it to just run passage guide, not EG. (But, I would only use it if the latest addition of the information window and text comparison tool were dropped and with only 3 bibles)
14. The ability to sync computers over a home network (as in iTunes 9)
15. The ability to tag, rate, and change the abbreviated titles for resources from the main library window without opening the information pane; The ability to tag books in the information pane of the actual resource.
16. The "Cited By" tool needs improvement... http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1183/9495.aspx
The first result for Mt 8:23-27 = the Women's Study Bible for Mark 4:36????
17. An explanation for the way in which search results are "Ranked".
See the cited by result above. Why is the Woman's Study Bible ranked higher than a commentary on Matthew???
18. Search results "Ranked by Book" with the book results collapsible: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/2511/18994.aspx
19. The ability to export a reading plan to a calendar file (not everyone uses Outlook. I use Google Calendar)
20. Consistency in the placement of items in the right click context menus. (copy, Power Lookup, etc.)
For selection:
For bible reference:
For Lemma:
21. A close button for the resource information panel in My Library
22. The ability to unlink all resources.
23. For the Power Lookup tool to not be set to follow when triggered by a word or bible reference.
24. To provide more than five lines of information in the Information Tool when hovering over a Gk word: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1321/10573.aspx
"to be in a state of..." ?????
25. Give us a bible reference in the Passage Guide!
26. The ability to download program updates separately from resource updates.
27. Real information about the resources which need downloading.
28. Access to information about which resources have been updated - which I should have but do not.
29. Change the command from "autoupdate now" to "udate now"
30. System Ranges for Bible searches which do not assume that the user is Protestant. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/2293/17342.aspx
31. More size options for images rather than just fit and actual size.
32. Passage Guide sections which operate like in v3.
33. More keyboard shortcuts
34. Power Lookup that can handle plurals and apostrophe's. http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1319/19406.aspx
35. Active Window better emphasised
36. Home Page: ability to view images on smaller screens.
37. Home Page: ability to remove ANY item (devotionals; pericope; book of the day).
38. Home Page: ability to remove items from the ribbon. Better - ability to remove the ribbon altogether...
39. Ability to select and drag multiple titles in Collections and in Hiding Resources.
40. An Abbreviated command to run Passage Guides and Exegetical Guides: eg. PG Rom 1:1-4; EG Tit 1:1-4
41. An optional section for the Passage Guide providing outlines of the pericope or chapter: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1639/12648.aspx
42. Better information in the commentary section of the Passage Guide: use Abbreviated Titles; Show full book info with hover as in the library. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/2717.aspx
Not this:
But this:
43. Ability to click and drag a pane and not just a tab.
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Wow. Great list! Me, too...
In addition, I'm still looking for help to get to CBV from a Word processor. Ideally, it'd be a smart tag. Acceptably, it could be an icon in the system tray. I do not want to have to go back from where I'm working in the word processor to Logos to initiate the CBV. I do it too often for that to be other than disruptive.
On the other hand, beta 8 is looking awesome, in general!
Bill
Grace & Peace,
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What a plethora of really useful and reasonable suggestions. Several of them make me want to stand up and cheer, others just make me nod my head.
Great list Damian.
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Just a list which I'm really keeping for myself - it's easy to lose one's suggestions amongst the thousands of posts here.
A suggestion sub-forum would have been a good start.
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Damian's list is fabulous. There's a ton of tho't and effort in there and the ideas are really helpful and will improve L4. And the presentation, O the presentation! It is so clear what he's asking for.
Thanks Damian.
Of the list I'd only disagree with #11 because you've still got the list on the right and I don't get too many lists like he did, but the option to be able to turn it off I'd agree with.
Chris
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Damian McGrath said:
Just a list which I'm really keeping for myself- it's easy to lose one's suggestions amongst the thousands of posts here.
Now why didn't I think of that? I'll have to cull through some of my (hundreds?) of posts and see what I can find.
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Thomas Black said:Damian McGrath said:
Just a list which I'm really keeping for myself- it's easy to lose one's suggestions amongst the thousands of posts here.
Now why didn't I think of that? I'll have to cull through some of my (hundreds?) of posts and see what I can find.
That's what I did when I started this last week. I went through over 50 pages of my posts. The only shame is that I didn't always say "ditto" or "agreed" to all the excellent suggestions which I have read.
It shouldn't be too hard for you Thomas. Just search for "handouts"
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Chris Elford said:
Of the list I'd only disagree with #11 because you've still got the list on the right and I don't get too many lists like he did, but the option to be able to turn it off I'd agree with.
Chris, I really can't see the point of the left hand side of the New Tab. It presents resources with the same metadata as the one being opened. What's the value? In my opinion, it slows things down.
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Damian McGrath said:
43. Ability to click and drag a pane and not just a tab.
You can use Shift+Drag to move all tabs in a pane. (Are you asking for something different to that?)
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Bradley Grainger said:
You can use Shift+Drag to move all tabs in a pane. (Are you asking for something different to that?)
Thanks, I didn't know that....
I'm not sure if it's obvious or memorable.
But, it's not exactly what I want. In this case, you need to actually be have the mouse over a tab.
I would like to be able to click the blank part of a pane and move from there...
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