Why less women?
Logos threw this question out on Facebook, And I was just wondering what the opinions of the forum users were:
Logos Bible Software
Give
us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but
only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
What are we missing?
That they might enjoy Print vs a electronic title? And I'm leaving it at that [:D]
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Some observations --
My wife prefers to read Christian fiction rather than the more academic material available via LOGOS. She reads her Bible, attends Bible Study, but the majority of her reading is Christian fiction.
She also finds some of her non-fiction reading via the United Methodist Women's annual reading list. Though not particularly evangelical, it is thoughtful and helps her to understand some of the big issues of the day.
For her birthday, a month ago, we got her a Kindle. She has started to read book using the Kindle, including the Christian fiction mentioned above. What got her started on reading Kindle books (at first on her PC) were the free titles available from Amazon. There are two or three new Christian title each week on the free Kindle book list. She has also started to buy a few books for herself (as have I). Some of these same books are free as e-books from CBD in other formats (e.g. epub), though she has not explored CBD for this purpose.
One more thought - I know I can share my LOGOS library with my wife, but it is an all-or-nothing proposition. She would be much more likely to use LOGOS if I could share a few key Bibles and commentaries with her. I am much more likely to install e-sword because of its cost and the ability to select and choose what I install. One solution might be to allow a second user ID to be tied to an account - and then allow the user to select which books (already purchased) are installed into the second account.
Blessings,
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Paul Golder said:
Logos threw this question out on Facebook, And I was just wondering what the opinions of the forum users were:
Logos Bible Software
Give
us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but
only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?I hope that we do not hear the same sexist statements made here like what is being posted on Facebook.
This is a very valid question that I believe only women can answer. (Guys, how many times have you spoken on behalf of your wife and got into trouble?)
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as I said on FB and will repeat here, the steady diet for women is poor theology, whereas Luther and the Reformers had hoped the milkmaid would know more about the Bible that pope or cardinal and the women then did. Many died as martyrs because they knew their theology. Sadly, women's conferences are mostly on emotional things, like it is assumed that women aren't thinkers. It is the task of women, biblically to train their children (see Deut. 6) in the fear and admonition of the Lord and yet, ask the women in your church if they even know how to catechise their children in the basics. So, if Logos would promote their tools as useful to help in the training of their children, to be able to give and answer for their faith at home, amongst family, friends, co-workers, neighbors and promote books that teach women what their biblical duties are, then maybe Logos will improve.
Second, if Logos would enable us to transfer books to Kindle THAT would increase sales not just for women but also amongst men. Kindle is fast becoming the e-reader standard (sorry nook, i think you'll go the way of the Beta vs. VHS)
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Paul Golder said:
Give
us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but
only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?A large percentage of Logos users are pastors, preachers, in seminary, or involved in teaching in the ministry? And we find substantially less women in those positions in many areas of Christianity? And Logos is not just for passive reading (like a kindle), it provides tools for performing your own analysis in various ways. And, I would argue, you would be less likely to do your own analysis if your not holding a leadership position. Also, consider that some areas of Christianity say the man is the head of the household and the spiritual leader, which, I would argue, discourages women from using a bible study tool as in depth as Logos?
I put question marks here because these are just guesses.
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Paul Golder said:
Logos threw this question out on Facebook, And I was just wondering what the opinions of the forum users were:
Logos Bible Software Give us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?
Could this be related to the percentage of women who are pastors or in the clergy? (And, please, maybe I did not choose the right terms, but I mean in the ministry full-time, of some sort) IOW, there are fewer women using Logos because there are fewer in ministry positions??? I am tossing that idea out but I haven't done the math.
What is of interest to me is why are there so few women who are regulars on the forums.
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• Logos is geared almost exclusively towards American Evangelical pastors. How many percent of American Evangelical pastors are women?
• From what I've gathered from their husbands here on the forums there seem to be an amazing number of American women who never use computers at all. To me, as a Swede, that is almost unimaginable, but if it's true, how can they be expected to use Logos? And it's not exactly like Logos is a beginner's program. It has a learning curve that's a 100 times steeper than any program I've ever come across. Women don't usually put up with that. I know I wouldn't have, if I'd known 4 months ago what I know today (now, unfortunately, I've invested too much time to go back).
• If we look at the Catholic church, an awful lot of the actual teaching is done by nuns. Nuns take vows of poverty: they can't afford something like Logos -- least of all when they first have to buy a package that's 90% Evangelical, and then immediately start adding expensive Catholic resources to it, before they can have anything that's even remotely similar to what an Evangelical pastor gets for a fraction of that sum -- and even if they could, or someone should give it to them, there's still a little problem: nuns aren't allowed private property. The 'one license -- one user' policy simply doesn't work for them. By not offering a Catholic base package and several user licenses Logos has essentially shut out convents, monasteries and Catholic schools from their potential user base. That's a pretty large market to exclude!
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Paul Golder said:
Logos threw this question out on Facebook, And I was just wondering what the opinions of the forum users were:
Logos Bible Software
Give
us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but
only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?In my opinion, there is little correlation between "more likely to read" and being a "Logos user." I don't use Logos to read books. I use it for research. I find it difficult to read books on a computer, so I bought a Kindle. I agree with Nancy: if it were easier (I recognize it is doable) to get Logos books on a Kindle, we may find more women using Logos. I know that I would appreciate Logos even more than I do now.
I think the comments about vocational ministry are also important. The sophistication of Logos requires that it be a relatively expensive program, and it is well worth it. A large proportion of us in vocational ministry have some sort of professional reimbursement or expense account which helps fund the cost of Logos. Probably a lot of us would be without Logos were that not the case. I recognize that many on this forum are not in vocational ministry, but they are the exception (and quite exceptional! [:)]) and not the rule.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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This is just my take on it having tried to get my wife interested..... The learning curve is steep with L4 and with small children it can be hard to find time to rest? Read the bible. Never mind "toy" with learning the program.
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Nancy A. Almodovar said:
as I said on FB and will repeat here, the steady diet for women is poor theology, whereas Luther and the Reformers had hoped the milkmaid would know more about the Bible that pope or cardinal and the women then did. Many died as martyrs because they knew their theology. Sadly, women's conferences are mostly on emotional things, like it is assumed that women aren't thinkers. It is the task of women, biblically to train their children (see Deut. 6) in the fear and admonition of the Lord and yet, ask the women in your church if they even know how to catechise their children in the basics. So, if Logos would promote their tools as useful to help in the training of their children, to be able to give and answer for their faith at home, amongst family, friends, co-workers, neighbors and promote books that teach women what their biblical duties are, then maybe Logos will improve.
Second, if Logos would enable us to transfer books to Kindle THAT would increase sales not just for women but also amongst men. Kindle is fast becoming the e-reader standard (sorry nook, i think you'll go the way of the Beta vs. VHS)
I agree...I'm not sure why this is though...do women not support more "theological" stuff and so that stuff went by the wayside or is it the other way around...they want it...but nobody's offering it to them?
Being a man....I don't know
Robert Pavich
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People in general will want what they are given because they become accustomed to it. Women have been spiritually fed trifles and, I dare say heresies (think oneness and word of faith, as they are the leading women authors/speakers). If women are given good doctrine they will grow to love and cherish the truths of God's Word but sadly we've been given bad meat and cotton candy as our daily staple. More and more women when they are given good meat and the milk of the Word quickly develop a taste for it and long to be fed on it.
nancy
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My wife does use logos, but only if she is teaching a womens group. For daily use, she is more likely to use Glo. She does like the puzzle feature in l3 for the kids.
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Joan Korte said:
What is of interest to me is why are there so few women who are regulars on the forums.
• If only 7% of the users are women, we can hardly expect more than 7% of posters to be women.
• When women have technical/computer problems, they generally prefer to ask someone privately, rather than advertise it on a public forum; a) because they tend to assume that it's they who are stupid, rather than the product that is badly designed or malfunctioning; and b) because they tend to assume that the answer they would get would be too technical for them anyway.
• The attitude on these forums is often quite aggressive, especially towards anyone who dares to imply that he or she hasn't fallen head over heals in love with Logos. Women generally stay away from such environments.
• Women generally have better things to do. How many of you women posters out there have husbands and children? So far I can't remember reading a single woman mentioning any immediate family. Or wait, I believe someone's wife jumped in with a line or two once, but that's about all.
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Mike Tourangeau said:
Read the bible. Never mind "toy" with learning the program.
This has been my experience. There seems to be a innate intuitiveness that women are blessed with.
Sort of like "Why do you spend all that time studying to learn what the Bible plainly says?"
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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fgh said:Joan Korte said:
What is of interest to me is why are there so few women who are regulars on the forums.
• If only 7% of the users are women, we can hardly expect more than 7% of posters to be women.
• When women have technical/computer problems, they generally prefer to ask someone privately, rather than advertise it on a public forum; a) because they tend to assume that it's they who are stupid, rather than the product that is badly designed or malfunctioning; and b) because they tend to assume that the answer they would get would be too technical for them anyway.
• The attitude on these forums is often quite aggressive, especially towards anyone who dares to imply that he or she hasn't fallen head over heals in love with Logos. Women generally stay away from such environments.
• Women generally have better things to do. How many of you women posters out there have husbands and children? So far I can't remember reading a single woman mentioning any immediate family. Or wait, I believe someone's wife jumped in with a line or two once, but that's about all.
For me, to use Logos is to have questions is to have to use the forum because there is no one to ask privately. My guess is that there are lots of lurkers who are content to glean and when there are some ugly threads I retreat and lurk.
And, I have a husband so I do have someone to take care of.
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Joan Korte said:
when there are some ugly threads
Everything we do and say should be filtered through Jesus' command to love one another, but alas it is not so. I think this makes us disobedient children.
(Off topic, but I couldn't help it)
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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I broached this topic on another thread about what "I" would do if I had $1,000,000 to invest in Logos.
Dan DeVilder said:have beth moore or kay arthur do simulcast studies with logos software. tie it in to Bible Study magazine on going feature. Broadcast on you tube. Offer discounts to all entrants. if they complete course give them upgrade discounts to next level.
Just flinging a few ideas out there. my wife doesn't touch Logos. thinks it is too complicated or cerebral. but she loves those women. and study. that might be a bridge to many more logos users. make it simple, practical, and pleasing to the eye. I am telling you, think visually, too. it matters not to many tech people or academicians, but it sure does artistic people and women. persoonalize.
run bible studies interfaced with facebook. think how many moms are on that?
I still stand by those ideas. As for why more women are not on these forums: several have mentioned good things: percentage of women overall is small, this forum can be rancorous at times, etc. I might add to those that I don't know many women who are into the technical side of Logos, nor are many using it for study--so why would they log on? We try to stay away from helpful discussions and sometimes relationship building is frowned on ("going OT," "hijacking" etc). And yet I can show you many forums (like Sonlight curriculum) where my wife frequents that are loaded with ongoing interaction by women (on topics from curriculum to bulk cooking to wild Christian sex between husband and wife. not kidding!).
Logos would need to hire some women consultants who know their market, and make appropriate changes.
I'll bet if Logos could market a way to do Beth Moore studies in a "straightforward way" (like having a layout suggestion, resources already pulled together in a customized guide, a way to fill in entries/answers/thoughts to the questions within the program, and perhaps tie all of that even to a webcast, or something, you'd find a new market open up.
EDIT: sorry, forgot to link to the thread above, as I have done now.
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fgh said:
Let me add that given I have no one to ask privately I have found the forum to be loaded with tips and suggestions and really good tech support for anyone with a question. So, I am thankful for all the help.
And Dan, yes, bring on Beth Moore!
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Dan DeVilder said:
Logos would need to hire some women consultants who know their market, and make appropriate changes.
This statement reminded me of this article about Best Buy: http://www.coffou.com/bm~doc/leadership-in-a-permanent-crisis.pdf.
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looks like a great little article, Tom. I have seen some of those principles in a few Christian leadership books, too. It takes a special person/team to lead that way.
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I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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I think the question is a good one especially if Logos wants to continue develop market share. To me the questions are relatively straightforward: a) Who is the target audience for this software? b) What are their demographic characteristics? c) What are the primary distribution methods of the software? d) What overriding gender related characteristics is common to many if not most of these distribution channels?
To me some of these arguments about the nature of women in the 21st century almost gives definition as to why women may not use this software. I don't believe that it has to do with children, privacy issues, or women aren't quite ready to take leadership roles in the Body of Christ...but that's just me.
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Paul Golder said:
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us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but
only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?As for my wife, who is tremendous at women's conferences, she still prefers to curl up with a great theology book or commentary and work through it. She's not comfortable with technology (I know that doesn't represent most women ... just her) and is overwhelmed with Logos. She's making small strides and probably needs a MP Seminar!
As an aside, I bought a book on preaching recently from Half Price Books (can I confess on this forum that I actually bought a paper book?) called "The Moody Handbook of Preaching" by John Koessler. I bought it specifically for the chapter entitled "How Women Hear the Sermon" written by Pam MacRae. In summary, I thought her conclusions were einsightful for me preaching to women, and perhaps Logos trying to reach women:
1. First, be a man who is respected by all - with a reputation of caring....
2. Never underestimate the influence of power you have as a pastor.
3. Acknowledge women in general.
4. Value theology as part of the lives of women. (This was a great section. She said that women need substantial theological foundations to help balance their emotional strengths and quoted ministries like Beth Moore as an example of needs that women have that may not be offered in their churches).
5. Be careful not to preach to what you don't understand.You might disagree, but her comments helped me start thinking about an issue I had taken for granted.
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tom collinge said:
Guys, how many times have you spoken on behalf of your wife and got into trouble?
Never!
(okay once, and that was all it took!)
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Rene Atchley said:
I don't believe that it has to do with children, privacy issues, or women aren't quite ready to take leadership roles in the Body of Christ...but that's just me.
I agree. If women use other programs and not Logos, the question of why women are not using Logos is an excellent question?
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tom collinge said:
Guys, how many times have you spoken on behalf of your wife and got into trouble?
I speak for my wife frequently, and she for me. I have seldom (no recent incident comes to mind) gotten into trouble for this. However, we have been together for almost half a century. None of this means that I fully understand her, however.
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Jack Caviness said:
I speak for my wife frequently, and she for me. I have seldom (no recent incident comes to mind) gotten into trouble for this. However, we have been together for almost half a century. None of this means that I fully understand her, however.
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Blessings,
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Floyd Johnson said:
One more thought - I know I can share my LOGOS library with my wife, but it is an all-or-nothing proposition. She would be much more likely to use LOGOS if I could share a few key Bibles and commentaries with her. I am much more likely to install e-sword because of its cost and the ability to select and choose what I install. One solution might be to allow a second user ID to be tied to an account - and then allow the user to select which books (already purchased) are installed into the second account.
[Y]
Grace & Peace,
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Shawn Nichols said:
I bought a book on preaching recently from Half Price Books (can I confess on this forum that I actually bought a paper book?) called "The Moody Handbook of Preaching" by John Koessler. I bought it specifically for the chapter entitled "How Women Hear the Sermon" written by Pam MacRae.
"The Moody Handbook of Preaching" by John Koessler. is available in Logos: http://www.logos.com/product/7279/the-moody-handbook-of-preaching
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fgh said:
The 'one license -- one user' policy simply doesn't work for them. By not offering a Catholic base package and several user licenses Logos has essentially shut out convents, monasteries and Catholic schools from their potential user base.
I'd add that the increasing focus on LARGE $ purchases is also shutting out an increasingly larger percentage of potential users--especially wives of pastors in smaller churches, & probably the pastors themselves.
As an example from the Christmas saviings available several years ago, one could hope for a REALLY good savings with a $300 purchase. Today, it appears to take a $2,000 purchase to get the same kind of discount. The focus is shifting toward larger & larger purchases to get the best savings.
Logos has never been the least expensive package, but it seems to be moving even further into the territory of high end system. At some point, that will necessarily limit its potential user base, if indeed it hasn't already.
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Floyd Johnson said:
One more thought - I know I can share my LOGOS library with my wife, but it is an all-or-nothing proposition. She would be much more likely to use LOGOS if I could share a few key Bibles and commentaries with her. I am much more likely to install e-sword because of its cost and the ability to select and choose what I install. One solution might be to allow a second user ID to be tied to an account - and then allow the user to select which books (already purchased) are installed into the second account.
If this were implemented, it would be a great help. Earlier this year I purchased The Bible Study Library for my wife. I already had Portfolio Edition and many add-ons. But the second license allows my files and workspaces to be kept separate from hers. The drawback is, to access the wider resources available in my library, she has to log on as me.
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Josh said:
A large percentage of Logos users are pastors, preachers, in seminary, or involved in teaching in the ministry? And we find substantially less women in those positions in many areas of Christianity? And Logos is not just for passive reading (like a kindle), it provides tools for performing your own analysis in various ways. And, I would argue, you would be less likely to do your own analysis if your not holding a leadership position. Also, consider that some areas of Christianity say the man is the head of the household and the spiritual leader, which, I would argue, discourages women from using a bible study tool as in depth as Logos?
I put question marks here because these are just guesses.
I would bet every one of your guesses are factors along with a few we have not yet thought of. Two of my daughters have Bible College degrees even though they attend an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church. For those who may not know; generally, IFB churches do not place women in leadership roles where preaching or teaching doctrine is involved. I do believe there is a direct correlation between leadership responsibilities and the depth of Bible study resources needed. A Pastor or preaching Elder will need a deeper library than a Sunday School teacher or Youth Minister. A homeschooling mother will need a different library than the Husband & Wife co-ministers of a Pentecostal church. That is why Logos offers so many base packages.
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Probably because most users of Logos use it to study for the purpose of teaching a congregation, and not just basic personal bible study. And many Christian women probably believe the following scriptures literally as written...
1 Timothy 2:11-13, 3:2 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression...a bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife
1 Corinthians 14:34–35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.Jason Saling
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Rene Atchley said:
To me some of these arguments about the nature of women in the 21st century almost gives definition as to why women may not use this software. I don't believe that it has to do with children, privacy issues, or women aren't quite ready to take leadership roles in the Body of Christ...but that's just me.
Since I don't really know the answers I showed my wife this thread and asked her. She apparently has some thoughts on it but is very busy with her household duties. (Tomorrow being Sunday, they are preparing for the "bath parade" of the little ones.) I know my family situation is not the norm but I would guess most women approach Bible study differently than men. My wife would rather spend her time studying the Biblical text over reading a theology or commentary. But I will wait to see what, if anything, she says. I will probably learn something. [:#]
~ i am a home-schooling father of 13, "only" eight children still live at home.
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Matthew C Jones said:
(Tomorrow being Sunday, they are preparing for the "bath parade" of the little ones.) I know my family situation is not the norm but I would guess most women approach Bible study differently than men. My wife would rather spend her time studying the Biblical text over a theology or commentary. But I will wait to see what, if anything, she says. I will probably learn something.
I command thee to lead in the bath parade so thine wife can answereth the question. Giveth her the evening off!
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Rene Atchley said:
I think the question is a good one especially if Logos wants to continue develop market share. To me the questions are relatively straightforward: a) Who is the target audience for this software? b) What are their demographic characteristics? c) What are the primary distribution methods of the software? d) What overriding gender related characteristics is common to many if not most of these distribution channels?
I'm guessing I am outside of their current target audience (remember I said guessing) since I am a woman, homemaker, senior citizen, not in full time Christian work and have no formal education in a seminary or Bible school. What motivates me to use Logos is all about what resources I can purchase. Logos has the best selection of resources and this 50% of Christmas special has been an unbelievable blessing. The way Logos treats their customers is special, to say the least. They bend over backward to give us great savings and no other Bible software company that I deal with does it so well. So, to bring more women into the Logos customer base would be great. One suggestion I have is to bless a woman who wants to be strong in the Lord, loves to study and has a calling and gifting on her life and give her a Logos base package. My husband gave one to our pastor and she loves it.
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fgh said:
Women generally have better things to do. How many of you women posters out there have husbands and children?
I am a big fan of Logos Bible software. I am married and have 13 children. I think one of the "best" things for me to do is to study the Bible and hopefully apply that knowledge to be the kind of wife and mother that God wants me to be. The wonderful thing about reading my Bible using Logos is that I have all the helps and further study I desire right at my fingertips. I am thankful to my husband for introducing me to Logos.
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Jason Saling said:
And many Christian women probably believe the following scriptures literally
I suspect there are far more men who believe that... [:P]
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Paul Golder said:
Logos threw this question out on Facebook, And I was just wondering what the opinions of the forum users were:
Logos Bible Software
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us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but
only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?Back to the original question...
Here's what's missing:
First, I'm not sure most people use Logos for reading, but rather for research and studying. So what's missing is the lack of correlation between reading and Logos use.
Secondly, even if you could convince more people that Logos can be used for reading (easier now that Logos is going to mobile devices). Does Logos have a books in their library the majority of people want to read? (Check out the bestseller list at CBD or Amazon)
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Josh said:Paul Golder said:
Give us your input! Studies show that women are more likely to read, but only account for about 7% of Logos users. What are we missing?
A large percentage of Logos users are pastors, preachers, in seminary, or involved in teaching in the ministry? And we find substantially less women in those positions in many areas of Christianity? And Logos is not just for passive reading (like a kindle), it provides tools for performing your own analysis in various ways. And, I would argue, you would be less likely to do your own analysis if your not holding a leadership position. Also, consider that some areas of Christianity say the man is the head of the household and the spiritual leader, which, I would argue, discourages women from using a bible study tool as in depth as Logos?
I put question marks here because these are just guesses.
My guess, too. Patriarchal hierarchalism (aka so-called "complementarianiasm") has put women in the back of the bus (if they're even allowed on the bus to begin with) in terms of their teaching and pastoring gifts and abilities. Let more women teach and preach and help pastor the flocks (without having to be under some male leader's bogus "covering") and you will see how much the Body of Christ has missed by telling women they can't do these things. Women in seminary undoubtedly know the power of Logos, but since many of them aren't allowed to pastor and teach the congregation after they graduate, why would they want to invest thousand$ of dollar$ in what will be of little use for them outside their homes?
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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Jason Saling said:
And many Christian women probably believe the following scriptures literally as written...
1 Timothy 2:11-13, 3:2 1 Corinthians 14:34–35 And many Christian men agree with those ladies.
I personally would welcome Kay Arthur's and Beth Moore's works in Logos. I may or may not purchase them but I would relish the choice. I will not go on an affirmative action program buying only works written by women hoping to achieve equilibrium in my Logos library. Before everybody gets all bent out of shape with this oppressive male chauvinist; I give you this recommendation for a useful Logos resource on my short list: Hope for the Heart Biblical Counseling Library (100 vols.) written by June Hunt.
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Matthew C Jones said:
I give you this recommendation for a useful Logos resource on my short list: Hope for the Heart Biblical Counseling Library (100 vols.) written by June Hunt.
But I thought that men weren't suppose to use this resource...
[;)]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Eric Weiss said:
My guess, too. Patriarchal hierarchalism (aka so-called "complementarianiasm") has put women in the back of the bus (if they're even allowed on the bus to begin with) in terms of their teaching and pastoring gifts and abilities. Let more women teach and preach and help pastor the flocks (without having to be under some male leader's bogus "covering") and you will see how much the Body of Christ has missed by telling women they can't do these things. Women in seminary undoubtedly know the power of Logos, but since many of them aren't allowed to pastor and teach the congregation after they graduate, why would they want to invest thousand$ of dollar$ in what will be of little use for them outside their home?
There's a great big world outside the mainstream evangelical US. In fact there's a great big world outside the US (which includes the vast majority of people on the planet). I would be hesitant to characterize the broader Christian community like this. There are plenty of denominations in which women have contributed significantly for decades.
I've followed the North American comp-egal wars for around four years now (there's nothing remotely similar in Australia, where I come from, and the situation in the UK, Europe, China, Korea, and Taiwan where I live now is pretty much the same as in Australia, so seeing the war in the US is almost like watching a sci-fi movie about an alien planet), and I don't believe that this can account for why only 7% of Logos clients are women.
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Jonathan Burke said:
In fact there's a great big world outside the US
no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!?!!!!! [:O]
Jonathan Burke said:and the situation in the UK, Europe, China, Korea, and Taiwan where I live now
dude, you is all over the place!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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My wife and children do not use the program because of licensing issues. If there was a family license that would allow my wife and even my children to have their own settings, and the program would belong to them as much as it belongs to me, then they would be using the program.
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Mark said:
My wife and children do not use the program because of licensing issues. If there was a family license that would allow my wife and even my children to have their own settings, and the program would belong to them as much as it belongs to me, then they would be using the program.
this might spread the joy just a little: some thought from CEO Bob Pritchett.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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I am familiar with that post written 1.5 years ago. Does not change the issue I have written about above.
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Mark said:
My wife and children do not use the program because of licensing issues. If there was a family license that would allow my wife and even my children to have their own settings, and the program would belong to them as much as it belongs to me, then they would be using the program.
You are probably aware of Bob Pritchett's liberal application of the EULA for spousal and minor children's usage. The kicker seems to be the personal settings, workspaces, , and notes can be overwritten. I would love a flat user access rider that would permit my dependents living with me to access my 3600 volume library without losing settings. I don't know how that would be implemented in Windows 7.
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