Logos asks, what do you wish you could search for, but can't?

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  • Patrick Rietveld
    Patrick Rietveld Member Posts: 248 ✭✭

    It maybe already possible. But when I am searching for info about certain references in the Gospels,  it would be great if also articles could be found in which only parallel passages are mentioned (and not the reference itself)

  • Tobias Lampert
    Tobias Lampert Member Posts: 761 ✭✭

    I'm not sure whether this is possible in Logos 4 yet or whether someone has asked for this before ... I'd like being able to count the total number of words or just verbs, nouns, names and so on in a book, a chapter, a specific range of verses etc.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,119

    Hi Theolobias

     http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures shows missing features including Vocabulary and Word Lists features which I would expect would go some way towards addressing what you are looking for (they didn't arrive in the last quarter of 2010)

    Graham

     

  • Tobias Lampert
    Tobias Lampert Member Posts: 761 ✭✭

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭


    It maybe already possible. But when I am searching for info about certain references in the Gospels,  it would be great if also articles could be found in which only parallel passages are mentioned (and not the reference itself)

    You can do that already. The syntax would be something like this:

    (<bible ~ Luke 4:38-40> OR <bible ~ Matthew 8:14-16>) ANDNOT <bible ~ Mark 1:29-33>

    You could change the OR into an AND if you wanted to ensure that both parallel passages were mentioned.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭


    I'm not sure whether this is possible in Logos 4 yet or whether someone has asked for this before ... I'd like being able to count the total number of words or just verbs, nouns, names and so on in a book, a chapter, a specific range of verses etc.

    You can do this already. Just do a morph search for @V (for verbs), or @N (for nouns), or whatever you choose. You can set the range to whatever you want (keep it small for a search with a large number of results like this). The search range can be very specific if you wish (e.g. John 3:12-4:17). If you move into analysis view, you could also group the results by lemma, which you could use to get counts of the different verbs.

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  • Tobias Lampert
    Tobias Lampert Member Posts: 761 ✭✭

    Mark, thanks for this - I guess it was just too obvious for me! :) However, is there a way to get to know how many words there are at all in a book, chapter etc.? I'm afraid the answer will be so obvious I'll be embarrassed ... :) The only thing I can think of right now is to simply add @V to @N and so on. It just seems a little bit too tricky.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭


    Mark, thanks for this - I guess it was just too obvious for me! :) However, is there a way to get to know how many words there are at all in a book, chapter etc.? I'm afraid the answer will be so obvious I'll be embarrassed ... :) The only thing I can think of right now is to simply add @V to @N and so on. It just seems a little bit too tricky.

    There are actually two methods: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/27606.aspx - including a simpler and more accurate one (albeit also slower).

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  • Tobias Lampert
    Tobias Lampert Member Posts: 761 ✭✭

    Thank you, Mark! It's what I was afraid of: one method's simple but not that accurate, the other one's terribly slow. I already tried the 'wild card' method before and couldn't help thinking it would go faster if I counted the words all by myself ... ;) So, let's hope the Vocabulary and Word Lists features will be ready soon.

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  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭

    HI, Mark , how did you make it I see over the search details Greek(lemma) , I have done as you have done it in Romans ,but there is no like this, would you please tell how you have made it.
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    Blessings in Christ.

  • Tes
    Tes Member Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭

    Plus the result of my search is quite different, so I am lookig forward to learn.

    Blessings in Christ.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tes said:

    HI, Mark , how did you make it I see over the search details Greek(lemma) , I have done as you have done it in Romans ,but there is no like this, would you please tell how you have made it.
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    You can group the results in Analysis view by any field. Just drag the column header up to that area at the top.

    http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help#Bible_search_analysis

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  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 659 ✭✭✭

    Logos asks, what do you wish you could search for, but can't?

     

    I personally would like the ability to:

    search on cantillation/accent marks or rather the "ta`amei ha-mikra"

     

    However, I am also in agreement with David Knoll's request as well:

    I would benefit from the following search features:

    1) The ability to compare the LXX morphology codes to the Hebrew OT. That means I would be able to ask where the lemma ανθρωπος in nominative stands against אדם for instance. Or where plural αρτος stands against לחם in the singular.

    2) The ability to search and compare OT morphologies. Currently Logos has 3 morphological databases (AF, WHM, WIVU) and one is still to come. I would like to be able to search where AFAT tags a participle while WHM tags an adjective etc.

    3) The ability to search vowel patterns in Hebrew.

    4) The ability to search by roots especially with wildcards (I could search the geminate verbs for instance)

    5) The ability for a vowel sensitive search of  the Hebrew OT and to compare it with the morphological codes: לָךְ masculine for instance.

    6) The ability to search the Hebrew OT without that cumbersome typing of the Dagesh and the diacritical mark of the Shin.  

    7) The geographical searches according to location sound nice too.

     

    חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

  • NetworkGeek
    NetworkGeek Member Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭

    OK, how about a simple search?

    I have a resource book with many highlighted texts.  They are a phrase, a sentence, a few words....I would like a list that the results are ALL highlighted text, listed. So if I highlight 127 sections of text, I can get a list that I can do things with, of the 127 text selections. It would be a huge bonus if I could get lists of all highlighted text grouped by different highlight color/style. But today, even the simple case is impossible.

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, how about a simple search?

    I have a resource book with many highlighted texts.  They are a phrase, a sentence, a few words....I would like a list that the results are ALL highlighted text, listed. So if I highlight 127 sections of text, I can get a list that I can do things with, of the 127 text selections. It would be a huge bonus if I could get lists of all highlighted text grouped by different highlight color/style. But today, even the simple case is impossible.

    You can do this search already, using the wildcard character (*), and selecting your highlighting style(s) from the "All Text" dropdown menu, but it is very slow (took over an hour on my old slow computer, now 12 minutes on my super-fast one to search my entire library of 5000+ resources):

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  • NetworkGeek
    NetworkGeek Member Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭


    You can do this search already, using the wildcard character (*), and selecting your highlighting style(s) from the "All Text" dropdown menu, but it is very slow (took over an hour on my old slow computer, now 12 minutes on my super-fast one to search my entire library of 5000+ resources):

    Thanks Rosie, but I have done this before, and it's hardly a practical solution for a resource of any size. When I did it in the past it wasn't even accurate and it did take hours for something big. I have had it bomb out too, it probably risks using up all the system memory. Hence the request...

  • Allen Browne
    Allen Browne Member Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭

    Not sure if you are still checking this thread, Bob, but the one thing I'd love is a more powerful Author search.

    Example: search material where N T Wright is the author, and have the results show:

    • Books authored (or co-authored) by N T Wright and Tom Wright (as a synonym for the same author)
    • Articles in journals by Wright, but not by other authors in the same journal issue
    • Articles in dictionaries by Wright, but not by other authors in the same dictionary (e.g. DTIB.)

    In asking for this, I'm conscious it would involve considerable work, particularly with the limited and inconsistent way I imagine material is supplied to you by various publishers. From a database perspective, it's not difficult: just nest resources within each other (e.g. articles nested within a volume nested within a journal).

    From a user's perspective, it would be really useful to find all the places where an author used a phrase such as "justification by faith".

    Thanks

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not sure if anyone is still checking this thread, but something else I'd like to see is really powerful journal article searching, a la ATLA database search.

    For example:

    Find me all articles by author A or author B published between year C and year D in any of the journals I have in my Logos library.

    Find me all articles in journal A or journal B with the keyword FOO in their abstract.

    I would hope this would integrate in with Religious and Theological Abstracts, once that is out. In other words, I could search in article abstracts for a keyword and be taken immediately to the article which that is an abstract of, assuming it's in my library.

  • rksaw
    rksaw Member Posts: 99 ✭✭

    Wow!  The more I read this thread, the more I realize just how much Logos can do and how little of it I have even tapped into.  (I really need to go to a Logos Camp soon!)

    Rich

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    rksaw said:

    Wow!  The more I read this thread, the more I realize just how much Logos can do and how little of it I have even tapped into.  (I really need to go to a Logos Camp soon!)

    Rich

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  • rksaw
    rksaw Member Posts: 99 ✭✭

    Thank you Rosie.  I've got that on my wish list now.  (So how long is it until Christmas?!? [:P] )

  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    rksaw said:

    Thank you Rosie.  I've got that on my wish list now.  (So how long is it until Christmas?!? Stick out tongue )

    Just be aware it'll probably cost $50 more after it ships. 

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  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) MVP Posts: 23,148

    Thread => Search yields NO Results on some searches shows Logos 5 search missing Dead Sea Scroll references, which were found using syntax:

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    <DSSSE = CD–A Col. iii:20>

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