New KF Base Packages
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I have Scholar Silver. Upgraded. Lost nothing. Gained the NET notes as a separate entity. I already had the two Book of Common Prayer files from early today when I added the free files. I still have Classical Pastoral Care in 4 volumes from Baker. I wouldn't have the others because I don't own the higher package.
Seems fine...
K
"But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry." 2 Timothy 4:5 (NASB)
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Douglas Alvarenga said:James Ogle said:
Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
I went to the website and got the upgrade for free, but when I click on the download button for L4 it started running the program and then it stopped and told me: "Logos 4 is up-to-date." So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it. Oh well, I'm so happy we get to keep the other titles and get some freebies on the way.
I did stumble around on the minimal crossgrade page awhile before I discovered that NOTHING was free on that page...
Finally, I came back to the upgrade page Phil's link took us to & discovered that Platinum (which I already have) had a "Free" button on it. It seemed counter-intuitive to "upgrade" to it... that's where the only "Free"button I found was located.
After downloading a 361Kb script & running it, like yours mine claimed to be up to date. Since I can't examine collection licenses like L3, I don't know how to confirm my suspicion that it did nothing. I still don't have NET notes as a separate file.
What should've changed?
Ah... had to shut down L4 & restart... Then it found 49.5 Mb of updates. It's working now...
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Phil Gons said:
At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s readyis it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?
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Todd Phillips said:
FYI, I found the LE and KF Portfolio contents to compare, and this was output of the comparison program:
* Today's New International Version
* Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
* Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible (4 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
* Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)
* The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
* Apostolic Fathers Morphologically Analyzed
* Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)That is a significant hit to the Logos libraries. Perhaps it is in keeping with Baker's decision to release new Baker Academic titles only at full list price. I don't want to hijack the topic on a discussion of this, but am sad to see this happen for new users.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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DominicM
In his original post Phil said that we will retain the TNIV and the 1984 NIV
Phil Gons said:You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.He didn't specify the mechanics.
Graham
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Good thing I already own Platinum too. That is not just some Baker content, that's some very good Baker content being taken out.
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DominicM said:Phil Gons said:
At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s readyis it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?
Yes and yes.
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Bradley Grainger said:DominicM said:Phil Gons said:
At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s readyis it going to have a new filename? will we still have access to 1984Edition?
Yes and yes.
Two questions:
- Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?
- Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Sure glad I pulled the lever on purchasing this last week -- I would have really been unhappy if I had lost out on the Baker commentaries by just a few days. . .
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I just upgraded and the BECNT and BNTC are both there.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Robert Pavich said:
I just upgraded and the BECNT and BNTC are both there.
Do you mean you still have them because you did the free upgrade?
Dave
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Yes..I did the free upgrade and the books I had previously purchased....the BENTC and BNTC are "still" there.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Rosie Perera said:
ND = Never Deficient
Actually ND is secret code for Roman Catholic users = Notre Dame
In the works is a secret code for North American Protestants = NAP [:D]
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I just feel sorry for the new guys that will have to pay the same amount old platinum guys paid but will get less resources for it. Bomber!!! or Bummer? oh well...
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Robert Pavich said:
Yes..I did the free upgrade and the books I had previously purchased....the BENTC and BNTC are "still" there.
Robert i just got done reading this thread and from the very first post phil said you would not lose any resource if you had LE
anyway, feels odd having an UPGRADE with LESS resources. IMO logos should find a way to include new resources for all packages to make up for the lost ones or they should lower the price a little bit. Sorry new guys but then again no one said life is fair.
By the way about logos adding new resources. They should add new resources to make up for the ones that will no longer be available and have the old guys pay a small upgrade fee to be able to get the new content that way they still get to keep the old content and add new resources in the process. Thumbs up if u agree with me [<:o)][Y]
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Rosie Perera said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
Nevermind, the Common Lectionary is slightly different. One is BCP79DL and the other one is BCP79SL
The first one is the Daily Office, the other is the Sunday Lectionary.
Thanks Rosie for clearing that up. I'm just glad they're free! [:D]
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Joshua Garcia said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Good thing I already own Platinum too. That is not just some Baker content, that's some very good Baker content being taken out.
You are right Joshua...that's not just "some Baker content" that's some excellent Baker content. D.A. Carson highly recommends the BECNT; especially the Luke volumes. He said those 2 volumes are # 1 on the list of commentaries on the gospel of Luke. I'm glad we get to keep them just like some kept Barclay's Daily Bible Studies (old version) when the publisher asked Logos to remove them also. Anyway, as the old saying goes, "Early bird catches the best Logos 4 deals!" hehehe
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Dang, that's a shame.. BECNT and BDAG are the sole reasons I upgraded to Plat. So, removing all the Baker titles should cause the price of the package to go down.
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Matthew Hamrick said:
Dang, that's a shame.. BECNT and BDAG are the sole reasons I upgraded to Plat. So, removing all the Baker titles should cause the price of the package to go down.
I wonder whether, by removing some of the content from Platinum and leaving Portfolio more or less intact, they might be preparing for the introduction of a new package that would come between Platinum and Portfolio, something that users have been asking for. It would presumably include the content that was removed from Platinum plus some more stuff. Just speculation, but otherwise why would they increase the gap between Platinum & Portfolio when people have been complaining that it's too big of a jump to upgrade from the former to the latter?
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Rosie Perera said:
but otherwise why would they increase the gap between Platinum & Portfolio when people have been complaining that it's too big of a jump to upgrade from the former to the latter?
Sounds like it's Baker's decision, and Logos is just responding to their request.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Rosie Perera said:
why would they increase the gap
Maybe because at the present they don't know how to fill it? The loss of the Baker titles in Platinum is quite devastating to its value relative to Gold. Platinum now needs a commentary set or two to beef it up and make it a more appealing jump. Maybe the DSB? Preaching the Word? Tyndale? None of those are as good as the BECNT (as few as those volumes were). The loss of the Baker Encyclopedia also hurts. Logos will need to move the ISBE into Platinum to make up for it.
I hope Baker is not pulling back completely from Logos. While they have put some titles on pre-pub, news on the newer BECNT volumes has been totally absent. I also hope that Logos' decision to publish the EEC hasn't created bad feelings elsewhere.
No point in speculating I suppose. Thankfully the Baker volumes will still be available.
EDIT: There have been advantages for being with Logos for awhile. I have the Jerome Biblical Commentary (the 1968 edition, never updated in Logos), the DSB (still not available since being pulled), and now the Baker volumes (still available). I guess (long term) membership does have its privileges.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Rosie Perera said:
I wonder whether, by removing some of the content from Platinum and leaving Portfolio more or less intact, they might be preparing for the introduction of a new package that would come between Platinum and Portfolio, something that users have been asking for. It would presumably include the content that was removed from Platinum plus some more stuff. Just speculation, but otherwise why would they increase the gap between Platinum & Portfolio when people have been complaining that it's too big of a jump to upgrade from the former to the latter?
I am waiting for the upgrade for portfolio [:D]... Maybe portfolio plus... or diamond
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Mark A. Smith said:
I guess (long term) membership does have its privileges.
Timing seems to play a part also. It seems to me that Pannenburg's Systematic Theology was targeted for Platinum until Portfolio appeared, so there may be a little history in what Rosie is speculating.
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Rosie Perera said:
I wonder whether, by removing some of the content from Platinum and leaving Portfolio more or less intact, they might be preparing for the introduction of a new package that would come between Platinum and Portfolio,
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I hope so!
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Richard DeRuiter said:
Two questions:
- Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?
- Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?
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Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Rosie Perera said:Matthew Hamrick said:
Dang, that's a shame.. BECNT and BDAG are the sole reasons I upgraded to Plat. So, removing all the Baker titles should cause the price of the package to go down.
I wonder whether, by removing some of the content from Platinum and leaving Portfolio more or less intact, they might be preparing for the introduction of a new package that would come between Platinum and Portfolio, something that users have been asking for. It would presumably include the content that was removed from Platinum plus some more stuff. Just speculation, but otherwise why would they increase the gap between Platinum & Portfolio when people have been complaining that it's too big of a jump to upgrade from the former to the latter?
They could call it the Diamond package. However, if Logos wants to continue with the whole precious metal theme, the next package should be called Rhodium - but that doesn't sound too awe inspiring.
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BillS said:Richard DeRuiter said:
Two questions:
- Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?
- Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?
Yes would be helpful to know plans for RI, but some poor soul may have to do it manually like they did for 1984
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BillS said:Richard DeRuiter said:
Two questions:
- Will the 1984 NIV Reverse Interlinear OT still be finished?
- Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?
as for part of question 2, the Upgrade chart in Logos4 shows a footnote which indicates that the NIV (supposedly the 2011 since it is for the new package) will have RIs for both NT & OT.
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steve clark said:
as for part of question 2, the Upgrade chart in Logos4 shows a footnote which indicates that the NIV (supposedly the 2011 since it is for the new package) will have RIs for both NT & OT.
Great!
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Richard DeRuiter said:
2. Will the new 2011 NIV get a Reverse Interlinear, and if so, how soon?
http://www.logos.com/comparison lists NIV Reverse Interlinear with the footnote that the license is included but we don't yet have any files. The reverse interlinear will be for the same version of the Bible that's included in the collection, i.e., the 2011 NIV. I don't know how soon it will be available.
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