New KF Base Packages
We just released a new version of all nine of our base packages (KF), and we wanted
to let you know why. It’s not a major reconfiguration like we do when we release
a new version of the software. It’s a minor maintenance update to make a few adjustments for
some of the publishers we work with and also take care of some other little issues. (It's similar to what we did a few years ago when
we moved from OC to ND.)
Here’s what’s changed (not all of these apply to all base packages):
- At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the
new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It
will automatically download as soon as it’s ready. - We’ve added the NET Bible Notes as a separate resource. In previous base
packages, the notes were included only as footnotes in the Bible text itself.
Now you will be able to view them in a separate panel alongside your Bible text. - We’ve added the Logos LXX Variants and its corresponding reverse
interlinear. - We’ve added a new Book of Common Prayer lectionary.
- At Baker’s request, we removed their titles from a few of our
collections. They are still available for purchase on our website as add-on products.
Refer to the comparison chart
for all the details.
There are two items of good news for all existing LE package owners:
- It’s a free crossgrade from your LE package to
its KF replacement, which essentially means that owners of Bible Study Library
and higher get a free copy of the new 2011 NIV. Depending on your base package
level, you may also get some additional titles as indicated above. - You won’t lose anything you already have. You’ll retain the TNIV, the
1984 NIV, and all of your Baker content.
Though the new NIV isn’t quite finished yet, you can go ahead and get your free crossgrade today.The file will download as soon as it is ready.
Comments
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Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE?? [^o)]
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nicky crane said:
Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE??
Logos has had a "Scholar's Library" since 2001 (I think), but its contents have changed over time. "LE", "KF" etc. are tags that we add to the name of the product to distinguish these revisions from each other (when it matters). Scholar's Library (KF) is 99% the same as Scholar's Library (LE); Phil listed the differences in his post (under "Here’s what’s changed").
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nicky crane said:
Phil, can you explain for the uninitiated/ignorant, e.g. me, what's the difference between KF and LE??
Ever since we launched the Libronix Digital Library System, we've been keeping track of the different generations of our packages with letters to help to distinguish between versions of Scholar's Library, for example. Usually a new base package generation corresponds to a new version of the software, but not always.
Here's all the generations of our packages so far:
- RA: Libronix 1
- QB: Libronix 2
- OC: Libronix 3
- ND: Libronix 3 (maintenance update)
- LE: Logos 4
- KF: Logos 4 (maintenance update)
Usually the difference between each generation of packages is scores or hundreds of new books. In maintenance updates like KF, it's just a few little things.
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Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
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Thank you, Bradley, for your quick and clear reply! I've ordered the crossgrade [:D]
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How do you come up with those letters? Do they stand for anything, or are they just random? Here are my guesses...
RA = Really Awesome
QB = Quite a Bargain
OC = Obviously Complete
ND = Never Deficient
LE = Learn Everything
KF = Keep Functioning
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
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I ordered the cross grade, thanks! Price is very good, but is there an option for a payment plan [;)]
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Rosie: Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
Douglas: I know, I just feel bad for those who will purchase from now on. [:)]
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Rosie Perera said:
Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
YES. That is the statement I was frantically searching for in Phil's announcement. I guess we are "grand-fathered" in as to the content license. I am quite happy about keeping the NIV 1984 and the Baker titles.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Rosie Perera said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
Oh my goodness, that's a HUGE change!!! I'm sure glad I purchased my Platinum when it first came out! I love Baker's Exegetical Commentary and Baker's NT Commentary I don't think I could give those up. Anyway, so far so good!
Did you notice he said "You won’t lose anything you already have."
By the way, I could give BECNT and Bakers NT up if Logos could give us Platinum owners the NICOT/NICNT set to replace those...LOL...hey, I got nothing to lose by day dreaming...hehehe.[:P]
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Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
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James Ogle said:
Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
Manually. Follow Phil's link for "Free Crossgrade" and you will be brought to an order page. Click on the "Free" upgrade and you will finish the process from there.
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James Ogle said:
Does this update automatically, or do I have to go to the website and do it manually?
I went to the website and got the upgrade for free, but when I click on the download button for L4 it started running the program and then it stopped and told me: "Logos 4 is up-to-date." So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it. Oh well, I'm so happy we get to keep the other titles and get some freebies on the way.
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it.
I think that it is a very quick process simply because it just updates your licenses. I don't think that there are any file changes to the program itself, not until the NIV is released anyhow.
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Rick Hypes said:Douglas Alvarenga said:
So I guess it upgraded on it's own and I didn't notice it.
I think that it is a very quick process simply because it just updates your licenses. I don't think that there are any file changes to the program itself, not until the NIV is released anyhow.
It just downloaded some files...guess what...now I have 2 copies of the "Common Lectionary" -- that's weird. I thought Logos wouldn't copy books twice. I downloaded the free copy last weekend and now I have 2. It's ok, I guess, now it looks like I have one extra resource...hehehe
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Nevermind, the Common Lectionary is slightly different. One is BCP79DL and the other one is BCP79SL
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Are BECNT and Baker NT the only Baker titles affected? I need to know so I can add them to my wishlist...they were only there implicitly before by nature of having Platinum on my wishlist.
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I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?
It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.
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James Chaisson said:
I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?
It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.
The above is for Platnum
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Douglas Alvarenga said:
Nevermind, the Common Lectionary is slightly different. One is BCP79DL and the other one is BCP79SL
The first one is the Daily Office, the other is the Sunday Lectionary.
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James Chaisson said:
I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169. I used my Libronix 3 account summary and compared only the books not data types ect. Can anyone confirm this number?
It looks like Baker encyclopidia of psycology and counseling, Baker encyclopidia of the bible, the Baker exegetical commentary, and the Baker new testament commentary are gone. I am not sure what else.
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone. It's pretty significant. Classical Pastoral Care was in Scholars, and The Apostolic Fathers was in Gold. The others were in Platinum. (I don't have Portfolio, so I can't easily check that).
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Phil Gons said:
How does it work when you're computer harddisk crashes and there is no backup available?? I know my Logos 4 will download all over again on a new computer (or harddisk) but what will happen to all these resources which were available in the LE package but not anymore in the KF package?
Luuk
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Luuk Dondorp said:
How does it work when you're computer harddisk crashes and there is no backup available?? I know my Logos 4 will download all over again on a new computer (or harddisk) but what will happen to all these resources which were available in the LE package but not anymore in the KF package?
You keep access to the books you've purchase. All you need to do is reinstall Logos and log in with your user name and it will download all the books you have the license to.
Prov. 15:23
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Todd Phillips said:
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone.
Forgive me my ignorance but I just want to know for sure: what do you mean by "..are gone" ?
Are these gone from your Logos Library on your computer or do you mean in general gone from the contents list of the KF package?
I think you mean the latter...but perhaps I am wrong,
Luuk
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Luuk Dondorp said:
Forgive me my ignorance but I just want to know for sure: what do you mean by "..are gone" ?
Are these gone from your Logos Library on your computer or do you mean in general gone from the contents list of the KF package?
I think you mean the latter...but perhaps I am wrong,
He does mean the latter. Someone who is a new purchaser of a KF base package wouldn't get those resources.
Prov. 15:23
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Luuk Dondorp said:Todd Phillips said:
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone.
Forgive me my ignorance but I just want to know for sure: what do you mean by "..are gone" ?
Are these gone from your Logos Library on your computer or do you mean in general gone from the contents list of the KF package?
I think you mean the latter...but perhaps I am wrong,
The latter.
As always, "You won’t lose anything you already have."
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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James Chaisson said:
I quickly numbered the resourses in LE and KF and found that LE has 1204 while the new KF has 1169.
Now how did you do that if we are not supposed to lose any of our LE titles? You should have gained a handful and lost nothing.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Thank you Kevin and Todd for your quick replies !
Luuk
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Todd Phillips said:
Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)
The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)These are the ones I can see are gone. It's pretty significant. Classical Pastoral Care was in Scholars, and The Apostolic Fathers was in Gold. The others were in Platinum. (I don't have Portfolio, so I can't easily check that).
FYI, I found the LE and KF Portfolio contents to compare, and this was output of the comparison program:
* Today's New International Version
* Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
* Baker New Testament Commentary (12 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible (4 Vols.)
* Baker Encyclopedia of Psychology and Counseling, 2nd ed.
* Classical Pastoral Care (4 Vols.)
* The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations
* Apostolic Fathers Morphologically Analyzed
* Analytical Key to the Old Testament (4 Vols.)That is to say, those are the ones in LE that aren't in KF. NIV doesn't show up because the old and new versions are named the same. Also, NET Bible notes isn't listed in the contents (I guess it's included as part of the NET Bible).
Mind you, this change does not affect current owners--only future purchasers would need to be aware that these are no longer in the base packages.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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