NEW USERS: What would you like to see in the Wiki?"

i have noticed that several new Logos4 users have noted that they were helped in some step-by-step instructions in the Forum. So you beginners what would you like to see added to the wiki (if you have not seen or used the wiki, please see the wiki Table of Contents and explore some first)?

Please keep in mind that i am just a lay-person with no formal education. So topics on Syntax and Morphology are beyond me. But there are many other topic which i might be able to help and build a wiki page for.

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Dave Hooton

Steve, I wonder if you could change the title to "NEW USERS: What would you like to see in the Wiki?"

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209389#Comment_209389

Steve, I wonder if you could change the title to "NEW USERS: What would you like to see in the Wiki?"

Done.

But other users are welcome to post a request as well.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209392#Comment_209392

Understand, but it is a long time since Logos was new to me[:)]

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209393#Comment_209393

Understand, but it is a long time since Logos was new to me

lol....i would be astonished if i could add anything to your knowledge of L4.

OT: is it flooding in your area downUnder? Per the news last night, they report an area the size of the states of Texas & New Mexico (for us familiar with those areas) in Australia is currently flooded. i pray that the Lord help all of ya'll down there!

DMB

Like Dave, I'm not particularly new. But having observed some of the comments, one thing I think would REALLY be helpful are some simple suggested layouts for various types of new users, and step-by-step on setting them up. If you've used Logos/Libronix before, this is certainly obvious. But if you're new to 'Logos thinking', it's not obvious at all. EMark's videos kind of gets you started.

One would be for just reading your new books with the side-TOC and highlighters, another for a basic Bible, commentary, and how to link and show a reverse interlinear, maybe with your highlighters, notes, etc. Just some thoughts.

Steve, I use the wiki's constantly ... I've no clue how you do it, but they're very professional!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209398#Comment_209398

OT: is it flooding in your area downUnder? Per the news last night, they report an area the size of the states of Texas & New Mexico (for us familiar with those areas) in Australia is currently flooded. i pray that the Lord help all of ya'll down there!

The northern states (eg. Queensland) are badly affected. In one infamous year in January, Melbourne (Victoria) was hit by severe bush fires whilst Queensland was flooded. It is hot in Melbourne as we prepare to fry the Tennis Grand Slam players.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209429#Comment_209429

Forum has some Quick Start Tip ideas => http://community.logos.com/forums/t/28259.aspx

Keep Smiling [:)]

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209401#Comment_209401

One would be for just reading your new books with the side-TOC and highlighters

Denise,

Here is a new wiki page for this: Layout for Reading a Book

another for a basic Bible, commentary, and how to link and show a reverse interlinear, maybe with your highlighters, notes, etc. Just some thoughts.

Are these multiple pages? Perhaps a screen shot of what you had in mind would help me here.

Thanks

fgh

Thank you so much for offering, Steve!

I know I've been looking for help with Bible (and possibly Basic as well?) searches several times, and found literally nothing about whatever it was I wanted to know. Unfortunately, I can't now remember exactly what that was, and it also seems like some work has been done since then, but let me make some reflections after surfing the various search pages for a while:

If someone searches the Wiki for 'Bible Search', this is what he gets: http://wiki.logos.com/search.aspx?q=bible+search. Talk about confusing for a new user! As far as I've been able to find, there is no separate page or section for Bible Search, and very little written about it. And the Search pages in general are rather hard to navigate: many have names that don't really reveal where to find what, and the internal structure and linking between them is ... puzzling. The most basic stuff is hidden below much more advanced stuff on a page called 'Detailed...'. Not maybe the first place I'd look... [;)]

Please understand I'm not criticizing; I know it's been built piece by piece by different users. I'm just trying to explain my experiences in trying to find things, so that you get a chance to understand the problem, and what to do about it.

The most important thing that's needed is structure. What I would want would be an introductory search page, which consisted of some material moved from the Detailed Search Help page (the top and bottom parts), all from the Basic Search page and the Finding a Heading page, and some new:

The 4 types of searches (with links to separate sections further down for Basic and Bible, and separate pages for Morph and Syntax).
Common features: How to limit the search; searching surface/footnotes/headings; search history; Match case/Match all word forms; Send searches here; link to Search Syntax page; searching in Greek or Hebrew; why some words turn up in the dropdown and some don't...
Basic Search: sorting the results; what is My Content?; why are some resources indexed separately?; opening a search result; searching for topics or images...
Bible Search: more about limiting the search; what is Top Bibles?; how to search a Passage List instead of a section of the Bible; how you can get the popup in one translation by hovering above the highlighted search word, and another by hovering above the reference; the different views; Add versions; the Analysis view in detail; Graph results, Make Filter (just a link)...
(I came up with much more than I thought I would, so maybe Basic and Bible need their own pages as well, with just the intro on the 4 types, and the common things on the introductory page.)

And obviously there should be lots of links to the pages about Collections, Prioritizing, Search Syntax, Visual Filters, accepted Bible book abbreviations, and so on, so that this can indeed be used as the basic page about searches, from which you can (in one or two steps) click your way to everything else that has anything whatsoever to do with searches, without having to use the search box or trying to find it in the TOC.

The remainder of the Detailed Search Help page could then be renamed Search Syntax, which would make it much clearer what to find on it.

That should keep you busy for a few days... [:)]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209680#Comment_209680

Steve ... yes ... that's well done and quite clear. I guess where I was coming from is some of the older Libronix 3rd party packages that included a small manual starting you at step 1 enough to get you into your Bible study etc. The most recent one I got was just a few weeks ago. I guess the best way to explain to open up L4, go to 'help' and then go to 'getting started' and imagine you're new. I tried it and within a paragraph it 'dumped' me into the wide world of Logos (wikis, forum, etc) Then go to the wiki and also imagine you're new. The videos are good but again, they don't just package a small get-started manual (unless I missed it, which wouldn't be surprising!)

steve clark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209778#Comment_209778

fgh,

mmmmm..... what you are asking for is very massive. EDIT: if i understand your request (for instance the page i built for Denise took 4 hours today)

The remainder of the Detailed Search Help page could then be renamed Search Syntax, which would make it much clearer what to find on it.

Renaming a wiki page can have disastrous results. Cross-links in other wiki pages would have to be tracked down. All posts which have links to that page would be broken and since most all of them cannot be edited there is no solution for the broken links (user often search the forum for answers and broken links would severely hamper them).

The wiki page Detailed Search was written by Mark Barnes and i have only added the common link box in the top right corner of his page. He spent a lot of time building that page and i would not attempt to change it.

As i am reading (and re-reading) through your request a few things come to mind (thinking out loud here):

in a couple of places you refer to Morph & Syntax searching...i have no training and have insufficient knowledge to address these areas.
it sounds like you are trying to tie everything together in a page that tells everything. (one of my first wiki pages was the Library wiki. The wiki page is very large...probably too large. But since it is in place and linked everywhere, i would not break it up. Large page are tedious to edit and work with, not to mention that they are slow to load into browsers.)
several places you are asking for merging of several current wiki pages.

Perhaps what would work in the interim would be one or two example Search wiki pages.

i would be glad to think about this more and add some wiki pages as mentioned above. But i do have a life will not be creating an encyclopedia of Logos4 on the wiki...LOL.

So i will think about this for a while. If you can think of specific examples please feel free to reply.

EDIT: by the way if you are using the search to look for wiki pages, you are more patient than i am. Have you tried to use the Table of Contents wiki page? Or the Visual Table of Contents (which has links to virtually all wiki pages in it)?

rksaw

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/209789#Comment_209789

Steve,

For the uninitiated, would you please define what a "wiki" is and its importance?

Thank you,

Rich

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/210593#Comment_210593

For the uninitiated, would you please define what a "wiki" is and its importance?

A wiki is a website that is open to editing by everyone; it's the concept that Wikipedia is built off of. http://wiki.logos.com can be edited by anyone who has an Logos.com account. It is a place where users have created full-fleshed documentation about what Logos 4 can do. You will find examples, pictures, and links to videos there all design to help you use Logos 4 more fully.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/210595#Comment_210595

For the uninitiated, would you please define what a "wiki" is and its importance?

A wiki is a website that is open to editing by everyone; it's the concept that Wikipedia is built off of. http://wiki.logos.com can be edited by anyone who has an Logos.com account. It is a place where users have created full-fleshed documentation about what Logos 4 can do. You will find examples, pictures, and links to videos there all design to help you use Logos 4 more fully.

It comes from the Hawaiian word "wiki" which means "quick" -- here's some history of where wikis (and their name) originated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki#History.

Because of all the recent stuff about WikiLeaks in the news, some people mistakenly think that anything "wiki" is bad or is somehow associated with that website (some have even begun to have concerns about Wikipedia; that it's doing something illegal linked with WikiLeaks somehow, which it is not the case). It just happens that WikiLeaks was implemented as a wiki so that multiple people could contribute to editing it, but that shouldn't shed negative light on the term wiki itself. It also doesn't help that the word wicked begins with the same phonetic sound as wiki; but the words are completely unrelated etymologically.