What should I do to make more competent for Logos 4 use to my computer,what is your suggestion?
Tes,
From what I can read, the only changes you can make without moving to a new computer are:
1) Add more RAM. It says you currently have 2,00 GB RAM - upgrade to at least 4,00 GB RAM if you can.
2) Upgrade from Windows Vista to Windows 7. You're running a 32-bit CPU, so make sure it's Windows 7 32-bit (not 64-bit). Windows 7 is a faster operating system than Windows Vista.
You do have a little bit older and slower CPU (Prozessor) - Intel Pentium(R) Dual CPU @ 1.80GHz.. However, you probably have to get a whole new computer to get a faster CPU.
I don't see anything on your screen shot that indicates disk speed or, more importantly, graphics card speed.
Donnie
Hello Tes,
If your budget allows, I'd recommend a new computer, or set aside a budget for one. If you do increase your memory to 4GB, you will need a 64-bit operating system. Windows 7 Home premium 64-bit would be sufficient. Your CPU should work with a 64-bit OS, according to this link.
Also, run the Windows 7 upgrade advisor tool on your computer. It'll show you if your hardware is supported by Windows 7. The tool is located here.
Hi,Donnie,how do I find it?
Hi Tes, If you bought your computer at a store or from a manufacturer, you can probably go to their web site and find the specifications for your brand and model. also, you can Google your make and brand and come up with the same results. If you built your own computer, it would have been with the documentation with your computer parts.
I agree that memory would help, but before you upgrade, make sure that your computer can actually use use the amount that you want. For example, my mother-in-law bought a computer that has Windows Vista and only had 512 meg of memory. It was terribly slow at almost everything. I knew that she needed more, so when I went to the manufacturer's web site it said that the computer would only recognize up to 2 gig. Therefore, if I had bought 3,4or 5 gig of memory it would have been a waste because the computer would still only recognize and use 2 gig. So if you have an older computer be sure to see how much yours can accept.
In Control Panel, click "System and Security". Then click the small link under "System" that's labelled "Check the Windows Experience Index". (At least that's where it's found in Windows 7.) You should see a screen something like the one below.
My lowest score on this computer is the disk subsystem, and that's because this is a laptop. But Logos runs great on this laptop.
Donnie,I don't find such thing in German.
lso, run the Windows 7 upgrade advisor tool on your computer. It'll show you if your hardware is supported by Windows 7. The tool is located here.
I have installed it ,but I don't know what to do next.
In Control Panel, click "System and Security". Then click the small link under "System" that's labelled "Check the Windows Experience Index". (At least that's where it's found in Windows 7.) You should see a screen something like the one below. Donnie,I don't find such thing in German.
I'm pretty sure that's because you're running Windows Vista and the "Windows Experience" is only available in Windows 7
I cannot afford buying a new computer, what I want is I want to add or change some thing to this PC and make it competent for Logos 4 use.
In Control Panel, click "System and Security". Then click the small link under "System" that's labelled "Check the Windows Experience Index". (At least that's where it's found in Windows 7.) You should see a screen something like the one below. Donnie,I don't find such thing in German. I'm pretty sure that's because you're running Windows Vista and the "Windows Experience" is only available in Windows 7
"Windows Experience" is available in Vista, too. I have Vista and I can run it.
Tes, on your screenshot that you showed us, click "Leistung" (Performance) in the lower left corner. This will bring up the Performance Information and Tools screen (I don't know what it will be in German):
Look for the items that have the lowest scores, as these are bringing the performance of your computer down. In my case (on a laptop) it is my graphics performance. I would need to get a dedicated graphics card (which I could only have on a desktop machine) to make that number go up.
For you, as others have stated, I am guessing it is your RAM that is the biggest bottlneck for Logos. You have only 2GB of RAM, but the recommended RAM for Logos is 3GB+ (see http://www.logos.com/support/techfaq#sysreqs for other system requirements, and use the recommended ones, not the minimum ones, for best performance). You should be able to buy more RAM and install it yourself, but you will need to get the instructions from the manufacturer of your PC, and find out for sure if it can use more than 2GB RAM, as others have mentioned. It probably can.
I do not recommend upgrading the Operating System on an older PC, as it brings all kinds of headaches and you might need a lot of hand-holding through it which I'm not sure you've got the support to help you with.
Vista 32-bit can address up to 4GB of RAM if you have one of the packages above Starter, which you do (I see you have Home Premium). See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_vista. So you should be fine with that if you move up to 3 or 4GB. I would recommend you upgrade to 4GB.
In Control Panel, click "System and Security". Then click the small link under "System" that's labelled "Check the Windows Experience Index". (At least that's where it's found in Windows 7.) You should see a screen something like the one below. Donnie,I don't find such thing in German. I'm pretty sure that's because you're running Windows Vista and the "Windows Experience" is only available in Windows 7 "Windows Experience" is available in Vista, too. I have Vista and I can run it.
In that case I must apologize for the misinformation [:(] I only had Vista for a few short weeks before the Windows 7 upgrade and never came across the "Experience"
That's a handy link to have. Thanks Rosie!
Even though a 32-bit OS can address up to 4GB, other hardware/firmware configuration in a computer can prevent the OS use of the full 4GB of RAM. Video RAM and motherboard BIOS, for instance, can limit the addressable memory (somewhere between 3 GB and 4 GB, exclusive). I had recently upgraded my 2007 IBM Thinkpad to 4GB of RAM, but Windows 7 Professional 32-bit could see 3 GB of it. In rare cases, even with most up-to-date BIOS and with a 64-bit OS, the OS may show addressable memory less than total memory installed.
Edit: I forgot to mention chipset and 32-bit architecture in computers may also prevent the OS from fully using installed memory (i.e. 4GB).
I don't know enough about hardware, but I trust you on this. However it seems to me it would still be better to upgrade to 4GB rather than 3GB if your computer is capable of handling it. If video RAM and motherboard BIOS are going to limit the memory available as addressable memory, then they'll leave a 3GB machine with less than 3GB addressable. So if you go up to 4GB, you should have more than 3GB addressable, which is what Logos recommends. Going beyond 4GB might be pointless, though.
i have 4G of RAM in my Vista HP 32bit.
My system indicates that it is using 350MB over 3G, so if the price diff between 3G & 4G isn't much....go for the 4G
P.S. yes that is computing using a base of 1024
Found a review from May 2007 - New Budget Dual-Core CPUs: E2160 => http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160.html that includes overclocking potential => http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2160_14.html#sect0
Tom's Hardware Guide includes overclocking articles (including water cooling) => http://www.tomshardware.com - overclocking uses more power and generates more heat along with pushing many components to run faster. Overclocking potential depends on BIOS settings - can appropriate settings be tweaked ? Suggest overclocking incrementally, ensure system stable and cool enough before attempting faster since too much Heat will destroy component(s).
Also, Tom's Hardware Guide has an ongoing series of Best Graphics Card for the Money and system marathon builder guides - including budget versions. Suspect building budget PC would be cheaper than buying component(s) for overclocking (along with budget PC being faster).
Hard drive upgrade idea: hybrid Solid State Disk (SSD) and disk drive - Seagate Momentus XT (for many tasks, performance like SSD, but has storage capacity for lots of stuff) => http://www.anandtech.com/show/3734/seagates-momentus-xt-review-finally-a-good-hybrid-hdd New build can use Serial ATA drives - older computer needs SATA card plus hard drive.
Vista 32-bit can address up to 4GB of RAM if you have one of the packages above Starter, which you do (I see you have Home Premium). See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_vista. So you should be fine with that if you move up to 3 or 4GB. I would recommend you upgrade to 4GB. That's a handy link to have. Thanks Rosie! Even though a 32-bit OS can address up to 4GB, other hardware/firmware configuration in a computer can prevent the OS use of the full 4GB of RAM. Video RAM and motherboard BIOS, for instance, can limit the addressable memory (somewhere between 3 GB and 4 GB, exclusive). I had recently upgraded my 2007 IBM Thinkpad to 4GB of RAM, but Windows 7 Professional 32-bit could see 3 GB of it. In rare cases, even with most up-to-date BIOS and with a 64-bit OS, the OS may show addressable memory less than total memory installed. Edit: I forgot to mention chipset and 32-bit architecture in computers may also prevent the OS from fully using installed memory (i.e. 4GB).
Using 32-bit Windows on a computer with 4 GB RAM installed (if supported by logic board), anticipate ~ 3.3 GB addressable for Windows Programs (estimate 700 MB or so for WIndows device and hardware drivers).
Keep Smiling [:)]
Don't forget this thread http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27463/202824.aspx
Tes, you might also want to try the free NovaBench benchmark software (see this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/24555.aspx) and compare your results with other Logos users who have posted on that thread.
Tes, Don't forget this thread http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27463/202824.aspx
Hi Dave,for my Laptop I don't have question any more, as I have learned from that thread ,I am going to purchase Window 7 64 bit ,t the problem will be resolved by doing so,but for my PC ,since I am not able now to buy a new computer, I want to be sure what I have to do.Now, because I am going to take action.
I am going to purchase Window 7 64 bit
Memory upgrade will help with Logos 4 more than an OS upgrade. Logos 4 is not a 64-bit application; therefore a 64-bit OS will not make much of a difference (if any). Windows 7 may have better memory management code inside, but don't know how it compares to Vista.
I wouldn't sink too much money on an old computer if you plan to get a new one this year. I'd go with a memory upgrade first.
However it seems to me it would still be better to upgrade to 4GB rather than 3GB if your computer is capable of handling it.
I agree! Upgrade to 4GB for a 32-bit OS.
OK, I got them confused.
Tes, Memory upgrade will help with Logos 4 more than an OS upgrade. Logos 4 is not a 64-bit application; therefore a 64-bit OS will not make much of a difference (if any). Windows 7 may have better memory management code inside, but don't know how it compares to Vista. I wouldn't sink too much money on an old computer if you plan to get a new one this year. I'd go with a memory upgrade first.
As I'm sure you're aware, most current PCs / laptops are 64-bit architectures. As there's no price difference between Windows 7 32-bit and 64-bit, I'd never recommend getting 32-bit *unless* there was an absolute must-have application that's incompatible with 64-bit (very few and far between).
Even though Logos is 32-bit, having a 64-bit O.S. means you can access more than 4GB RAM. That's very useful if you run apps at the same time as Logos and they all want large chunks of memory. Like me:
- SQL Server 2008 R2- 3 instances of Visual Studio 2010- 2 VMWare Server virtual machines running XP (test VMs with IE6 and IE7)- Logos- Numerous Office apps
FWIW...
