Vatican II Documents on Pre-pub!
Thank you, Logos! http://www.logos.com/product/8825/vatican-ii-documents
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Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first.
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BradN said:
Thank you, Logos! http://www.logos.com/product/8825/vatican-ii-documents
Okay: I'm in. These are represent a really significant piece of church history, even for a non-Catholic.
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Rosie Perera said:
Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first.
I think it went in today around 5:00 pm EST.
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tom collinge said:Rosie Perera said:
Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first.
I think it went in today around 5:00 pm EST.
Yes that's what I thought, but those other two were in there by yesterday, so I don't know why the "sort by Newest" view shows this below those.
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Thanks I ordered. Glad to see more Catholic resources
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Yes many thanks for bringing to my attention. I hardly ever check pre pub as so rarely anything of interest for me. This is not yet on the dedicated catholic page either (probably too modern material as only 50 years old!).
Catechism next please!
John
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I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
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Tom Reynolds said:
I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
I don't know the official answer, but I would be very surprised if it meant only the Catholic edition (which is a subset of the original edition, of course). Every other resource I've seen that links to ECF links by reference type, which means either edition will open, depending on what you own and have prioritised.
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Do we presume this resource is in English only?
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Mark Barnes said:
Do we presume this resource is in English only?
That is implied by this line in the product description: "The Logos Bible Software edition of the Vatican II Documents is the English translation published by Libreria Editrice Vaticana."
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Rosie Perera said:
That is implied by this line in the product description: "The Logos Bible Software edition of the Vatican II Documents is the English translation published by Libreria Editrice Vaticana."
I must need new glasses. [:$]
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Rosie Perera said:
Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first.
I checked earlier in the day and they weren't there then (That would now be yesterday). This is significant since Vatican II is important even to those of us who aren't Roman Catholic since it affects the Church throughout the world (I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Indeed, the Catechism would be a great resource, the newest 1994 edition, with searchable Scripture references. But the older ones, like Pius X and the Baltimore Catechisms would be an asset, too.
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Amen to that, and also all the other catholic Council documents, for those of us with an interest in Catholic theology and its development.
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Now on the Logos blog: http://blog.logos.com/
Let's get this into production!
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George! Peace! and ............... Joy in the Lord!
You said: "George Somsel Replied: Today 3:05 AM
Rosie Perera:Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first.
I checked earlier in the day and they weren't there then (That would now be yesterday). This is significant since Vatican II is important even to those of us who aren't Roman Catholic since it affects the Church throughout the world (I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic).
george
gfsomsel"Why not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?
*smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Why not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?
Yeah, that too.
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And in the spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It has the glory of God and a radiance like a very rare jewel, like jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It has a great, high wall with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates are inscribed the names of the twelve tribes of the Israelites; 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city has twelve foundations, and on them are the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I'm not going to offend any Catholic’s either, no more that Paul would have anyhow. True, real charity is about truth and grace. Check out Galatians.
So why not tap into Mormon, Jehovah Witness or for that matter Voodoo.
I’m disappointed when my home page show up so much stuff from Roman Catholic falsehoods.
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WD40 said:
I'm not going to offend any Catholic’s either, no more that Paul would have anyhow. True, real charity is about truth and grace. Check out Galatians.
So why not tap into Mormon, Jehovah Witness or for that matter Voodoo.
I’m disappointed when my home page show up so much stuff from Roman Catholic falsehoods.
Mormons and especially Voodoo are horses of an entirely different color. I totally disagree with the JWs, but I would be a little more charitable toward them. Of course, I disagree with Fundamentalists too, but I wouldn't consider them to be outside the Church. Be a little charitable. The faith is not simply about believing certain opinions to be the case but about trust in the love of God exhibited in Jesus Christ.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Those who say, "I love God," and hate their brothers or sisters, are liars; for those who do not love a brother or sister whom they have seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen. 21 The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also.1 Jn 4.19-21
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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WD40 said:
I’m disappointed when my home page show up so much stuff from Roman Catholic falsehoods.
You can customise your homepage (use the link at the bottom left). You can also hide any resources in your library that you don't find helpful.
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Ya I know - but yuou missed the point. In a world that's begging for people willing "to die on the mountain of truth". So much of the so called christianity is is so pluralistic that anything goes.
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Mark Barnes said:Tom Reynolds said:
I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
I don't know the official answer, but I would be very surprised if it meant only the Catholic edition (which is a subset of the original edition, of course). Every other resource I've seen that links to ECF links by reference type, which means either edition will open, depending on what you own and have prioritised.
I imagine that a link to the ECF will work on either the "Protestant" or "Catholic" version, and if it doesn't it should.
As I understanding it the Catholic Edition only differs from the Protestant edition in that it omits footnotes that are anti-Catholic.
To WD40: I dispute much Roman Catholic teaching. However, if I want to interact with and understand RC thought and theology then Vatican II is critically important to that endeavor. Too much dialogue is completely undermined by straw-man characterizations. IMHO placing a pre-pub order for this is a no-brainer for any Logos user who interacts with Catholics or is Catholic.
Prov. 15:23
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WD40 said:
I'm not going to offend any Catholic’s either, no more that Paul would have anyhow. True, real charity is about truth and grace. Check out Galatians.
So why not tap into Mormon, Jehovah Witness or for that matter Voodoo.
I’m disappointed when my home page show up so much stuff from Roman Catholic falsehoods.
Well, since Logos includes the founding documents of America, and hence is both a historical and a Biblical program, why not include the writings of Christian and non-Christian sects, denominations, etc.? There's already the SDA collection, I believe. Why not the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Lao-Tsu, the Qur'an (in English and Arabic), The Upanishads, The Magna Carta, Bhagavad Gita, Mesopotamian myths, Jewish esoteric works, The Egyptian and Tibetan books of the dead, etc.? Heck, why not beat Google to it and Logos the entire world of written texts? [:D]
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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This is a perfect example of a completely unacceptable inflammatory rhetoric that leads to profound division within the Body of Christ. To make a such a comment in a forum where even respectful debate on denominational differences are not permitted is not only rude but cowardly.
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Kevin Becker said:
I imagine that a link to the ECF will work on either the "Protestant" or "Catholic" version, and if it doesn't it should.
Yes, it will utilize data types for patristic references that will work with either version.
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Kevin Becker said:Mark Barnes said:Tom Reynolds said:
I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
I don't know the official answer, but I would be very surprised if it meant only the Catholic edition (which is a subset of the original edition, of course). Every other resource I've seen that links to ECF links by reference type, which means either edition will open, depending on what you own and have prioritised.
I imagine that a link to the ECF will work on either the "Protestant" or "Catholic" version, and if it doesn't it should.
As I understanding it the Catholic Edition only differs from the Protestant edition in that it omits footnotes that are anti-Catholic.
Many years ago when I started using Logos Two or three years [ahem! [;)] ] ago I was told by a former sales rep that your understanding of the difference between the two versions is precisely correct.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Eric Weiss said:
Well, since Logos includes the founding documents of America, and hence is both a historical and a Biblical program, why not include the writings of Christian and non-Christian sects, denominations, etc.? There's already the SDA collection, I believe. Why not the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Lao-Tsu, the Qur'an (in English and Arabic), The Upanishads, The Magna Carta, Bhagavad Gita, Mesopotamian myths, Jewish esoteric works, The Egyptian and Tibetan books of the dead, etc.? Heck, why not beat Google to it and Logos the entire world of written texts?
That's a good idea. I hope they do.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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The Roman Catholic Church has the Word, Baptism, the Eucharist, and the Creeds. Although as a Lutheran pastor I am not in agreement with certain emphases of RC theology, there is much we all are indebted to Rome for. I am grateful to Logos for making new Catholic resources available, and I too hope that the new Catholic Catechism will be published in Logos format in the not-too-distant future.
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Gerard Shanley said:
This is a perfect example of a completely unacceptable inflammatory rhetoric that leads to profound division within the Body of Christ. To make a such a comment in a forum where even respectful debate on denominational differences are not permitted is not only rude but cowardly.
Thanks Gerard, I wanted to say it but it tends to get me yelled at.
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Thanks Rosie. I didn't know that. I just bought both. (I am starting Arabic next fall.)
Jim W
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I'm particularly jazzed about the links to the Summa Theologica! That's what pushed me over the line! [:D]
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Thanks for the heads up! This was relatively cheap but it's not a huge resource either...
I do second the suggestion for the Catechism!!
Not to mention the Standard works of the LDS church too...but I'm pretty sure that there is a licensing/ownership/permission issue there....
Robert Pavich
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Tom Reynolds said:
Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
Deleted - question already answered ... and I don't know why the delete function was already gone.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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George Somsel said:
(I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic).
Hey, if we wanted to take offense it would be with the "Roman" part ... I know it is common parlance but you are really speaking of Latin rite Catholics ... most of use don't live in Rome.[:D] Besides, we've know each other via the forums so I know that you'd be disappointed if I didn't say there are also Byzantine Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Mozarabic Catholics ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:George Somsel said:
(I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic).
Hey, if we wanted to take offense it would be with the "Roman" part ... I know it is common parlance but you are really speaking of Latin rite Catholics ... most of use don't live in Rome.
Besides, we've know each other via the forums that you'd be disappointed if I didn't say there are also Byzantine Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Mozarabic Catholics ...True, my only concern was to indicate that even Protestants are members of the "one holy catholic [AND APOSTOLIC] church." Regardless of our affiliations we are one body.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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WD40 said:
I'm not going to offend any Catholic’s either, no more that Paul would have anyhow.
Hmmm.... Catholics have known Paul for around 1980 years and had problems with him only before he headed to Damascus. In fact, good old Paul came to discuss it with us when there were questions re: requirements for Gentile conversions.[;)]
However, as a member of the Logos forum, I might take offense because the guidelines make it clear this is not the place for this type of comments. We have seen similar comments be harmful to a number of forum members with a variety of beliefs. Our goal is to provide a safe place for all Logos users to ask (and answer) questions regarding the use of Logos products.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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George Somsel said:
True, my only concern was to indicate that even Protestants are members of the "one holy catholic [AND APOSTOLIC] church." Regardless of our affiliations we are one body.
I know. And it's such a heavy burden. You understand - you have your interlinears, I have my non-Latin Catholics AND broader canons.[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Wow. 24 hours and over half way to production.
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An here is another reason why Logos should add the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church). quote from paragraph 838:
"The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who
are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic
faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the
successor of Peter."Those "who believe in Christ and
have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect,
communion with the Catholic Church." With the Orthodox Churches,
this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the
fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's
Eucharist."As you can see the Church teaches that everyone professing the title Christian and have been baptized ARE in communion with her. This is why when a brother Protestant decides to "convert" they do not need to be re-baptized.
"Viva Cristo Rey!!"
Deacon Harbey Santiago
Archdiocese of BAltimore
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WD40 said:
I'm not going to offend any Catholic’s either, no more that Paul would have anyhow. True, real charity is about truth and grace. Check out Galatians.
So why not tap into Mormon, Jehovah Witness or for that matter Voodoo.
I’m disappointed when my home page show up so much stuff from Roman Catholic falsehoods.
Every time I see a post like this, there are so many things that come to my mind. But then I member the words of Jesus in Mathew 5:11-12
I thank you for that Brother WD40.
"Viva Cristo Rey!!"
Deacon Harbey Santiago
Archdiocese of Baltimore
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MJ. Smith said:George Somsel said:
True, my only concern was to indicate that even Protestants are members of the "one holy catholic [AND APOSTOLIC] church." Regardless of our affiliations we are one body.
I know. And it's such a heavy burden. You understand - you have your interlinears, I have my non-Latin Catholics AND broader canons.
Now, THAT, MJ. is truly marvelous humour! Thank you! *smile*
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I really don't want to offend any of those who walk through the doors of a Roman Catgholic building without knowing what the truth is. They need the Saviour in "grace and truth" through Christ alone, through grace alone, by faith alone. However I have no problem pointing out to those who continue to lead astray those under their care that Christ paid for them "with His own precious blood". However there is huge eternal consequences for not recognizing what Pauls says in......
Galatians 1:6–10 (ESV) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Matthew 7:14 (ESV) 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Luke 13:24 (ESV) 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 12:51–53 (ESV) 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
Truth divides always has and always will. And my goal in life is to labor over truth, search for it like a prescious treasure, which exposes 1/2 truths and lies. And I just think there is much better things to spend R&D $ on, than publishing anything false. I think I can even find Biblical instructions to that end.
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WD40, this discussion is going far abroad of the Forum Guidelines Please read them and abide by them.
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WD40 said:
I really don't want to offend any of those who walk through the doors of a Roman Catgholic building without knowing what the truth is.
As Catholics we are willing to let anyone walk through our doors - those who know the Truth and those who don't. . You say:
WD40 said:And my goal in life is to labor over truth, search for it like a prescious treasure, which exposes 1/2 truths and lies.
This is an excellent goal that many of us share. However, it is not achieved by violation of forum guidelines - it is achieved by serious study, prayer and conversation in appropriate forums / circumstances.
WD40 said:Truth divides always has and always will.
This is not my experience. Falsehoods masquerading as truth, verbal misunderstanding and culture divide. Truth is a unifying force.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Robert Pavich said:
Not to mention the Standard works of the LDS church too...but I'm pretty sure that there is a licensing/ownership/permission issue there....
These are public domain as they were originally published in the 1800's. However some changes have been made to them and when I was dialoging with a Mormon he told me to use their most recent version (which is available on their website). I told him that I would rather read what was published during Joseph Smith's lifetime because if he approved it then it must reflect the "revelation" he received.
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I think in my living room, I would have already resorted to name calling at this point [6]
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And I have mine on order, looking forward to it. Important contributions to Christian (not just Catholic) theology and so far the only place where Logos has given us the work of the great 20th Century Catholic theologians like Congar, de Lubac, Rahner, Ratzinger, etc. I hope for more.
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WD40 said:
I really don't want to offend any of those who walk through the doors of a Roman Catgholic building without knowing what the truth is. They need the Saviour in "grace and truth" through Christ alone, through grace alone, by faith alone. However I have no problem pointing out to those who continue to lead astray those under their care that Christ paid for them "with His own precious blood". However there is huge eternal consequences for not recognizing what Pauls says in......
Galatians 1:6–10 (ESV) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Matthew 7:14 (ESV) 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Luke 13:24 (ESV) 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 12:51–53 (ESV) 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
Truth divides always has and always will. And my goal in life is to labor over truth, search for it like a prescious treasure, which exposes 1/2 truths and lies. And I just think there is much better things to spend R&D $ on, than publishing anything false. I think I can even find Biblical instructions to that end.
You do not only show no respect to the forum guidelines - it seems that you could really use more (Roman) Catholic resources in Logos, since your postings reveal both a serious lack in understanding (Roman) Catholic theology and a lack in seriously desiring to understand (Roman) Catholic theology. Besides that, your attitude's overbearing and full of Biblicism that has never been intended by any of the Protestant Reformers. And I do not say this as a (Roman) Catholic but as an evangelical Lutheran with Wesleyan background.
No one's forcing you to simply accept something you cannot approve to, no one's even forcing you to deal with (Roman) Catholic theology at all - it's just that I and a lot of others don't want you to dictate what resources should or shouldn't be in Logos. There are people out there who first want a chance studying and getting to know something before considering whether to condemn it or not.
If you don't want (Roman) Catholic resources in Logos, don't buy them. It's as simple as that. So, can we please stop this here and now?
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