Thank you, Logos! http://www.logos.com/product/8825/vatican-ii-documents
Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first.
Okay: I'm in. These are represent a really significant piece of church history, even for a non-Catholic.
I think it went in today around 5:00 pm EST.
Yay! How did that sneak in there? I check the pre-pub page every day, and that wasn't on the list yesterday or the day before, and yet it's now showing up below Learn to Do Word Studies with Logos Bible Software and TableTalk when I sort the pre-pubs by Newest first. I think it went in today around 5:00 pm EST.
Yes that's what I thought, but those other two were in there by yesterday, so I don't know why the "sort by Newest" view shows this below those.
Thanks I ordered. Glad to see more Catholic resources
Yes many thanks for bringing to my attention. I hardly ever check pre pub as so rarely anything of interest for me. This is not yet on the dedicated catholic page either (probably too modern material as only 50 years old!).
Catechism next please!
John
I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
Tom
I don't know the official answer, but I would be very surprised if it meant only the Catholic edition (which is a subset of the original edition, of course). Every other resource I've seen that links to ECF links by reference type, which means either edition will open, depending on what you own and have prioritised.
Do we presume this resource is in English only?
That is implied by this line in the product description: "The Logos Bible Software edition of the Vatican II Documents is the English translation published by Libreria Editrice Vaticana."
I checked earlier in the day and they weren't there then (That would now be yesterday). This is significant since Vatican II is important even to those of us who aren't Roman Catholic since it affects the Church throughout the world (I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic).
Indeed, the Catechism would be a great resource, the newest 1994 edition, with searchable Scripture references. But the older ones, like Pius X and the Baltimore Catechisms would be an asset, too.
Amen to that, and also all the other catholic Council documents, for those of us with an interest in Catholic theology and its development.
I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have? I don't know the official answer, but I would be very surprised if it meant only the Catholic edition (which is a subset of the original edition, of course). Every other resource I've seen that links to ECF links by reference type, which means either edition will open, depending on what you own and have prioritised.
I imagine that a link to the ECF will work on either the "Protestant" or "Catholic" version, and if it doesn't it should.
As I understanding it the Catholic Edition only differs from the Protestant edition in that it omits footnotes that are anti-Catholic.
To WD40: I dispute much Roman Catholic teaching. However, if I want to interact with and understand RC thought and theology then Vatican II is critically important to that endeavor. Too much dialogue is completely undermined by straw-man characterizations. IMHO placing a pre-pub order for this is a no-brainer for any Logos user who interacts with Catholics or is Catholic.
Yes, it will utilize data types for patristic references that will work with either version.
I notice on the product page it states "With the extensively linked Vatican II Documents, resources such as the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition...." Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have? I don't know the official answer, but I would be very surprised if it meant only the Catholic edition (which is a subset of the original edition, of course). Every other resource I've seen that links to ECF links by reference type, which means either edition will open, depending on what you own and have prioritised. I imagine that a link to the ECF will work on either the "Protestant" or "Catholic" version, and if it doesn't it should. As I understanding it the Catholic Edition only differs from the Protestant edition in that it omits footnotes that are anti-Catholic.
Many years ago when I started using Logos Two or three years [ahem! [;)] ] ago I was told by a former sales rep that your understanding of the difference between the two versions is precisely correct.
Does this mean that it is linked to those files instead of the "protestant" ECF files that most of us with base packages have?
Deleted - question already answered ... and I don't know why the delete function was already gone.
(I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic).
Hey, if we wanted to take offense it would be with the "Roman" part ... I know it is common parlance but you are really speaking of Latin rite Catholics ... most of use don't live in Rome.[:D] Besides, we've know each other via the forums so I know that you'd be disappointed if I didn't say there are also Byzantine Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Mozarabic Catholics ...
(I do not intend to offend any Roman Catholic members of the community, but I happen to hold that all christians are members of the "One holy catholic church" which means that we too are entitled to call ourselves catholic). Hey, if we wanted to take offense it would be with the "Roman" part ... I know it is common parlance but you are really speaking of Latin rite Catholics ... most of use don't live in Rome. Besides, we've know each other via the forums that you'd be disappointed if I didn't say there are also Byzantine Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Mozarabic Catholics ...
Hey, if we wanted to take offense it would be with the "Roman" part ... I know it is common parlance but you are really speaking of Latin rite Catholics ... most of use don't live in Rome. Besides, we've know each other via the forums that you'd be disappointed if I didn't say there are also Byzantine Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Mozarabic Catholics ...
True, my only concern was to indicate that even Protestants are members of the "one holy catholic [AND APOSTOLIC] church." Regardless of our affiliations we are one body.
An here is another reason why Logos should add the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church). quote from paragraph 838:
"The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church." With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."
As you can see the Church teaches that everyone professing the title Christian and have been baptized ARE in communion with her. This is why when a brother Protestant decides to "convert" they do not need to be re-baptized.
"Viva Cristo Rey!!"
Deacon Harbey Santiago
Archdiocese of BAltimore
