Consensus "beef up notes"

It has been suggested that logos.uservoice would show a greater demand for note reform if there were a single unified request rather than a series of different requests. I'm throwing a proposal out here so people can add/delete features important to them. When we have a "consensus" of sorts, I'll add it to user voice, move my note related votes and post the item back here on the forums to see what sort of response we get.

Modify notes to allow the following functions:

allow highlighting on notes
permit at least as much formatting as in L3 which includes tables, illustrations, colored text, underlined text ...
permit a table of contents panel similar to L3
allow a note to be attached to multiple passages - with the note icon appearing on each passage
improve the performance: keyboard entry, long notes and note files
allow all links - to other notes, PDF's mp3's, PowerPoint's, web, mind maps ...
permit notes to be made from templates
add linkset functionality to notes
retain "deleted" notes for a period of time - permitting a restore function
allow referenced resources to be shown in full
implement additional sort sequences - canon, created date, last modified date, user note title, highlighting. This requires add date and time stamp to notes - created and last updated
allow setting of default block icon color to be set at the file level (currently all defaults to yellow)
integrate a journaling feature - a note file that automatically includes date in the title and automatically sorts on date
allow a search directly on the contents of notes - all notes whether in note files or guides
remove the size limitation on notes in the passage and exegetical guides
permit notes to be attached to a lemma, liturgical date, search string
allow the sharing of notes between users
allow tags on all notes as well as the ability to search on those tags
when the note is attached to a specific text permit any highlighting style to be used in the resource
allow notes and note files to be merged or split
include spell checker in notes
have search on note file open with appropriate notes expanded and the search terms highlighted

I personally don't think a request for 22 additional features would be effective unless we at least prioritize the list.

Okay, folks, take your best shot ... add, delete, modify, prioritize

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tom

I will add a couple more requests to this list.

23. To be able to prioritize my notes (for an example, I can have all of my year c files to be a the top of the list when we are in year c).
24. To have more note icon colors, (at less match the icon colors of L3 so that we do not lose the information that is contained in our icon color).

DAL

To add "Dragon Naturally Speaking" software so I won't have to type my notes...LOL...[:P]

Douglas

Edit: To add voice command to say "Open my year C notes" Alright, I'll shut up now...hehehe [:#]

JimTowler

How about simple export and import, so we can store them offline, or email them, or put them on a web site etc.
In other words, let us KEEP our Notes however we like, for those that wish to.
I have little interest in how they get stored when inside the application, or what format they are in, if synced to the Cloud.
If we can export the few that are our lifes work, we need not fear what some bug, network outage etc might do to them.
For those users that don't mind, and wish to trust the cloud, they need not be impacted.
Thanks.

Graham Criddle

Hi MJ.,

Thanks for doing this - its a great list.

My priority items from it would be:

4 - allowing a note to be attached to multiple passages
5 - performance improvements
14 - allow direct note searching
21 - inclusion of a spell checker
22 - full searching within notes

I would also add, as a priority item, the requirement to properly handle the insertion of Bible references in the cases where it doesn't work properly now (such as reported at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/29331/217157.aspx and http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29432.aspx)

Hope this helps

Graham

David Paul

I strongly would like notes to behave like Word or other word processors. Mainly, I would like the ability to have finely adjustable point sizes up and down...not just 8, 10, 12, 14, 18, 24, 28, 32 etc.

I would like the note pop-up window to be as large as the note requires (up to half the screen size), and have the ability to be pinned and scrolled.

And I would like these features available in L3...in addition to L4.

As far as L4 specific, I would like the input windows to be more like L3...the input window area is goofy and klunky.

Matt Hamrick

First of all, something need to be done with our notes. I can see several issues in the forums and frankly the notes are the only complaint I have with L4. So, here it is.

5 - Improve the performance
14 and 22 - Searching the notes
15 - Remove the size limitation
21 - Spell Checker
4 - Multiple Passages
16 - attached to lemma
19 and 1 - Highlighting

Thanks for the list M.J. Nice work.

TCBlack

I'm struggling to isolate less than 22 of these that I want, but with much effort here's my order:

I also must add a reporting feature which pulls all notes on a given pericope into a printable, exportable file.
allow a note to be attached to multiple passages - with the note icon appearing on each passage
allow notes and note files to be merged or split
remove the size limitation on notes in the passage and exegetical guides
permit notes to be made from templates
allow all links - to other notes, PDF's mp3's, PowerPoint's, web, mind maps ...
permit at least as much formatting as in L3 which includes tables, illustrations, colored text, underlined text ...
allow tags on all notes as well as the ability to search on those tags
allow a search directly on the contents of notes - all notes whether in note files or guides

tom

remove the size limitation on notes in the passage and exegetical guides

I am not sure if I have run into this problem. Because of the size and amount of my notes, I am sure that I have, but I just did not notice it. Can someone please provide me some information on this limitation. thanks

Carey G. Pearson

permit at least as much formatting as in L3 which includes tables, illustrations, colored text, underlined text ...
permit a table of contents panel similar to L3
allow a note to be attached to multiple passages - with the note icon appearing on each passage
improve the performance: keyboard entry, long notes and note files
retain "deleted" notes for a period of time - permitting a restore function
allow referenced resources to be shown in full
implement additional sort sequences - canon, created date, last modified date, user note title, highlighting. This requires add date and time stamp to notes - created and last updated
allow setting of default block icon color to be set at the file level (currently all defaults to yellow)
integrate a journaling feature - a note file that automatically includes date in the title and automatically sorts on date
allow a search directly on the contents of notes - all notes whether in note files or guides
remove the size limitation on notes in the passage and exegetical guides
allow tags on all notes as well as the ability to search on those tags
when the note is attached to a specific text permit any highlighting style to be used in the resource
allow notes and note files to be merged or split
include spell checker in notes
have search on note file open with appropriate notes expanded and the search terms highlighted

Jim VanSchoonhoven

I am glad to see this thread, it shows the need for a completely new way of doing notes. For some reason however, Logos is unable to see the true worth of this feature, they have been my inspiration in bible study for years and I caught the vision of being able to study at what ever level I wanted to from them.

They have inspired me to work on my ThD, which I never dreamed of but now am enjoying . However, for some reason they can not see how this lack of being able to take proper notes is bringing down the whole level of what we could accomplish in biblical studies, if we only had a better note taking feature. I am seeing other programs with less ability than Logos has, in actual researching, doing a much better job in note taking, and because of that their programs are in many ways more helpful, because they allow the amount of information you can gather to be put in a form that is much more useful to the user, when they need to actually use the information.

I would love to see Logos meet this need, and I hope this thread helps them to see how much more would be possible if they could step back and catch the vision!!! I have to give credit, to the old Camp Libronix 3 videos they were first place that helped me see the true value of notes and from then on the vision keeps growing for me, I can't help but think what if I could!!!

It all boils down to making our research the most useful to us in the easiest fastest way possible for ourselves and those we want to share it with!

Catch the vision Logos!

On the other hand I have to admit your average user most likely would never use the better note system, but it would inspire others to produce things far above what they can now, and in a fraction of the time they dream possible. Things that could easily be shared in Seminary classes, at church and in books!

In Christ,

Jim

steve clark

here is one item that i did not see in the list:

When a note file is open and positioned to a specific note, its position should be remembered in a Layout (whether a saved Layout or just reopening the layout via opening Logos). i often open a layout and have to meticulously scroll to find the position of the note that i had visible when i last updated the layout or closed L4.

tom

here is one item that i did not see in the list:

When a note file is open and positioned to a specific note, its position should be remembered in a Layout (whether a saved Layout or just reopening the layout via opening Logos). i often open a layout and have to meticulously scroll to find the position of the note that i had visible when i last updated the layout or closed L4.

Hi Steve,

I reported this as a bug just the other day: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/30731.aspx

tom

For some reason however, Logos is unable to see the true worth of this feature

Jim, I agree with you.

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for a sermon add-in subsystem.

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for clippings subsystem.

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for pbb subsystem.

David Paul

I said it in the thread that fostered this one, but I will say it again:

As far as I'm concerned, Logos is a NOTE PROGRAM WITH SEARCH ABILITIES.

What I don't quite understand is how Logos can't comprehend the absolute vitality of Notes, particularly given the core audience and client base. Professors, researchers, and "clergy" are exactly the kind of folks whose usage patterns REQUIRE the vigorous use and application of notes. Though exactly how notes are used will differ from one individual to another, it is a crucial, critical aspect of what we do.

As I've said many times, my notes are almost worthless to me once extracted from the Logos program itself. Talking to me about third party options is pointless. My notes literally become an integrated part of my Bible. Notes are such an important part of my usage that I can say unequivocally that I will stop being a Logos customer if my L3 program ever ceases to function as I require it to...unless L5 introduces a ROBUST notes function. L4 is essentially designed to not have notes because they almost chose not to include a notes function. What they have in L4 at this time is little more than a patch...reminding me of Y'shuua's comment regarding the result of adding a new cloth patch to an old garment. I can't ever see L4 being able to do what I need, no matter what stop-gap measures they take.

Notes needs to be made in the image of L3, only moreso. I would like to post some screenshots of my notes, but I can't because I can't pin the notes--they disappear as soon as I move my cursor from the note icon. That needs to be rectified. A lot needs to be rectified. There is nothing Logos has in its oven that is as important to me as this subject. Period.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

Tom knows! Too bad, for some reason it is almost like Logos is blinded in this area.

I don't know about you Tom, but I am just an average guy, I am not that smart, so I really can't see why other software companies have a better handle on this area than Logos does.

I am just thankful that MJ started this thread and I can feel her pain, she knows how much this one area of the program is holding her back from getting the most out of her studies!

I think more of the major users understand this than one would imagine, but most have simply given up and try to find a work around. But I think we all suffer because of the limited vision in notes, and it is to bad for Logos 4.

I had a very nice sales person at Logos, one that I know and have dealt with for years, one that I love as a brother tell me that Logos 4's note taking is lightyears ahead of Libronix 3, and I thought yes there are some cool features in Logos 4 that allow you save some of your research, but when it comes to notes, I would have rather seen them go back to Libronix 3 and just make it beefer. There is no way it is lightyears ahead of Libronix 3. At least Libronix 3 is simple to use even if it doesn't go far enough.

It is very nice to see that many others have a vision for notes, let's hope that Logos will see!

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

SteveF

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for a sermon add-in subsystem.

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for clippings subsystem.

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for pbb subsystem.

There is a very good reason to have these addins.

As Logos4 is now built - to do all ths through notes would slow the program to a glacial crawl - and then wouldn't we be complaining?

I use an i7 700 and there are still 6-8 second delays as I try to rename layouts. Then I think it has not gotten the command, only to see the window flash uselessly by so I try it all over again. I've already deliberately removed my notes due to the "slowness" it builds into the system. We are much better of using a commercial word processors. And yes I'm sorry that following that stream makes it so hard to search for things.

Libronix 3's problems were notes, searching and parallel resources. Well 2 out of 3 isn't too bad, is it? there is always hope for Logos 5.

MJ. Smith

Can someone please provide me some information on this limitation. thanks

I've run into the problem on the initial note of the passage guide - where I thought I was providing a short outline and summary of the passage but I exceeded the length limits. When I posted it as a bug, I was informed that the assumption was that you entered a short comment and there was no plan to change that.

I agree with you that there is strong evidence that Logos development cycle shortcuts design. All the notes - in the guides, in notes, in clippings and arguably prayer lists - should use a common component. If that component is solid, fulfilling the request for a journal function would be a no brainer. The tagging component and the highlighting component should then easily apply to all of the note-like elements, rather than working here but not there. The weaknesses in Logos imply to me too much duplication of function too little reuse of well-designed components. I've had experience (less than ideal) with a development cycle of young web developers. I call it the code first think later approach; they tell me its prototype and not get the time from manager to go back and build the real deal. There is a reason UML was developed ... now if we could get the judicious use of it. Boy - do I sound like an old larger-system main-framer.[:$]

tom

I've run into the problem on the initial note of the passage guide - where I thought I was providing a short outline and summary of the passage but I exceeded the length limits. When I posted it as a bug, I was informed that the assumption was that you entered a short comment and there was no plan to change that.

MJ,

Are you talking about the notes that we can attached to a PG? This is something that I have not done. I just ran a test, and I copied a seven page document into one of the notes for a PG section, and it when I went back to the PG, all seven pages where there.

I agree with you that there is strong evidence that Logos development cycle shortcuts design. All the notes - in the guides, in notes, in clippings and arguably prayer lists - should use a common component. If that component is solid, fulfilling the request for a journal function would be a no brainer. The tagging component and the highlighting component should then easily apply to all of the note-like elements, rather than working here but not there. The weaknesses in Logos imply to me too much duplication of function too little reuse of well-designed components. I've had experience (less than ideal) with a development cycle of young web developers. I call it the code first think later approach; they tell me its prototype and not get the time from manager to go back and build the real deal. There is a reason UML was developed ... now if we could get the judicious use of it. Boy - do I sound like an old larger-system main-framer.

As an old large main-framer - Preach it sister!!!!!!!!!

fgh

Thank you, MJ, for taking responsibility for this! I really think Logos needs to take a look at the full picture here. I don't know the first thing about programming, but I don't think you need to be either a programmer or a genius to realize that sometimes "number 10" on a prioritized list simply has to be done before "number 2", and sometimes "number 20" or "30" is so radical that it doesn't make sense to do anything at all until you've decided whether to implement that or not -- and therefore Logos needs to know everything that we want, so that they can make us a "seamless garment" and not just keep putting patches on the holes we point out to them.

Actually, every time they've released a new update without any attempt whatsoever at reaching note parity between Mac and PC, I've tried to look at it from the bright side, and hoped that the reason was the same as for Handouts: that they'd decided to completely redo Notes, and therefore didn't want to waste time patching up the old version. But after half a year without any word indicating I was right, I guess I'm beginning to lose hope and start thinking like everyone else: that they simply don't get it with notes. [:(]

It's too late now, and I'm too tired, but I'll work on a prioritized list tomorrow. I think we should let this thread run at least until Sunday before anything is posted on Uservoice, in order to get as much input as possible (longer if the debate is still going on).

Peter Covert

Here are my top 5:

#2. permit at least as much formatting as in L3 which includes tables, illustrations, colored text, underlined text ...

#3. permit a table of contents panel similar to L3

#23. To be able to prioritize my notes (for an example, I can have all of my year c files to be a the top of the list when we are in year c).

#24. To have more note icon colors, (at less match the icon colors of L3 so that we do not lose the information that is contained in our icon color).

#18. allow tags on all notes as well as the ability to search on those tags

fgh

Preliminary list:

Implement parity with PC. A list of what that includes has been started here. (Please add to it if you note something missing.)
Change to right-click instead of x to delete a note (if that doesn't fall under 1?)
(#4, expanded) Allow a note to be attached to multiple passages - with the note icon appearing on each passage. And make it easy. It should be possible to attach the same note to all verses in a Passage List with just 1-2-3 clicks. Or to all references in a section in a cross reference resource. Or to all parallels in a Harmony. Or to all occurrences of a particular phrase in a search result list. Or to both a Bible verse and to all lectionary readings where that verse occurs. And the new note should be created with a default text: a linked list of all the references linked to that note.
Remove automatic highlighting when adding a note to a selection. Let the highlighting show only when hovering above the note icon. (Or, better, give us the choice to have it this way, since some obviously like it the way it is.) (I guess this is kind of a modified #19, or at least the two could be merged.)
Attach "selection notes" to the lemmas whenever possible, so that they too can show up in multiple Bibles.
(#9 and #JimT, modified) Implement an option not to sync personal notes etc, while still being online. Create secure storage of notes on our own computers, and easy retrieval from backup copies. (Individual deleted notes could be brought back by retrieving the whole older file, and then either replacing the newer file, dragging the wanted note[s ] back into the newer file before deleting the older one again, or merging the two files (#20).)
Make shift-click and cmd-click work for dragging multiple notes (I assume that would be ctrl-click for you PC folks). (This would also solve Tom's #23.)
(#11, modified) Implement additional sort sequences (- canon, created date, last modified date, user note title, highlighting. This requires add date and time stamp to notes - created and last updated). My wishes would be canonical order, liturgical order, alphabetical order, and personal order (see below). And free choice between sorting based on the first or the second field of the first line. And being able to group by icon colour might be useful as well (and would provide a second way of solving Tom's #23).
Add an option to Save This Order (so that one can temporarily sort e g canonically or alphabetically, and then go back to one's own carefully arranged personalized order.
(#14) Allow a search directly on the contents of notes - all notes whether in note files or guides.
(#David Paul, modified) Make the note pop-up window as large as the note requires, up to about 12*12 cm. Add scroll bar and draggable corner for larger notes. (Is this what you mean with #10, MJ?)
(#8) Add linkset functionality to notes.
(#12) Allow setting of default block icon color to be set at the file level (currently all defaults to yellow).
(#16) Permit notes to be attached to a lemma, liturgical date, search string.
(#6, expanded) Allow all links - to other notes, PDF's, mp3's, PowerPoint's, web, mind maps, photos...
(#20) Allow notes and note files to be merged or split.
(#22) Have search on note file open with appropriate notes expanded and the search terms highlighted.
Add more choices to the right-click menu when creating a note: Add a note to new note file, and Add a note to ... (with ability to choose between all existing note files, without having to open them first).
Add the ability to turn on note files in places where it's not currently possible, like in Passage Lists.
(#17 and #JimT) Allow the sharing of notes between users.

NB: I consider all these changes to be essential and urgent. The list only reflects the order in which I presently need them, not the order of necessity. I e some things further down will undoubtedly be more necessary to me in the long run, but right now I don't have enough notes to be absolutely desperate for them yet. Which is, of course, partly because Notes works so lousily!

I can imagine wanting tables, pictures, more formatting options, more note icon colours/shapes, highlighting and tabs at some later time, and will be glad if it's there when I do, but I haven't felt the need so far. I'd also prefer the note icons to be smaller, but that's a cosmetic change for much further down the road.

I know too little about the TOC, the templates and the journal to take a stand. Can someone paste a screenshot of the L3 TOC, so that I can get an idea of it's usefulness? And explain the others?

I haven't had any performance issues yet, beyond the list linked to in 1. I imagine from what I read that I probably will have when I get more notes, but it's hard to rank something you haven't had a problem with yet.

I don't need a spell checker, since we've already got one in the Mac OS [;)]

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for a sermon add-in subsystem.
If there was a good note system, there would be no need for clippings subsystem.

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for pbb subsystem.

I've never seen the Sermon File or the PBB, and I haven't used Clippings much, but I suspect you're right. One could add:

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/541911-my-commentary?ref=title

If there was a good note system, there would be no need for http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1012817-add-a-make-it-yourself-catena-function-as-descibed?ref=title

So, yes, something really comprehensive is what I'd really want, but unfortunately I don't have the vision or the computer skills to outline it.

As far as I'm concerned, Logos is a NOTE PROGRAM WITH SEARCH ABILITIES.

You mean it should be "a NOTE PROGRAM WITH SEARCH ABILITIES". [;)]

tom

This would also solve Tom's #23.

hi fgh,

I should have been more clear. I am talking about prioritize my note files. I have over 80 note files, and I would like to group them to the type of data that they contain. For an example, I have six note files that contain various hymnal information. I have 18 note files (six for each year) that contains various information. I would like to year a files together, year b files together,....

In the passage guide, I would like my note files to be listed by my prioritization. I have attached two screen prints. The first is how my note files appear in the PG. The second is how I would like them to appear in the PG.

The third screen print shows the note icons. I would like the icons to also be listed by my prioritization. Right now, the icons simply appear randomly.

Pic 1:

pic 2:

pic 3:

Jim VanSchoonhoven

I met a Logos 4 user today, and he said he had many 1000's of books more than I do and I have between 2600 in Logos 4 and 3400 in Libronix 3.

He is working on his masters degree at a major Christian school and I brought up how great Logos was for doing research. He agreed 100%, but than brought up the fact that it was by far the best for doing research but it was extremely poor at being able to store that material in a usable way and launched in to how he used another bible software to store his findings.

Off course I thought about this thread and how true it is, we need the notes beefed up! One more note, he doesn't use Logos 4 much because the notes are better in Libronix 3.

Now here is a man that loves Logos and has spent a lot of money on it and uses it all the time, but as he said, they are kind of stubborn when it comes to fixing their notes problem.

It remind me how important it is to have a thread like this one to bring things to their attention, but God opened my eyes to the importance of praying for them about this feature, that God will either show them or show us what to do! Maybe I am the stubborn one, shock! I must admit I can not imagine a person that uses the program all the time not desiring a better note system.

In Christ,

Jim VanSchoonhoven

fgh

I am talking about prioritize my note files.

Ah, sorry! I thought you were talking about prioritizing your notes, within your note files. I guess we all interpret according to how we do things ourselves... I'd take those parentheses away if I could, but it's too late, unfortunately.

I know too little about the TOC, the templates and the journal to take a stand. Can someone paste a screenshot of the L3 TOC, so that I can get an idea of it's usefulness? And explain the others?

bump!

tom

Ah, sorry! I thought you were talking about prioritizing your notes, within your note files.

No problem, I was not clear enough in my posting of what I was asking.

I know too little about the TOC, the templates and the journal to take a stand. Can someone paste a screenshot of the L3 TOC, so that I can get an idea of it's usefulness? And explain the others?

Here is a screen shot for one of my note files. Notice the TOC is on the left just like every book in L3/L4. If I want to go to a different part of the note file, I can just scroll through the TOC, click on the note I want to read, and the I am at the note.

For a template example, here is the template that I use for my sermon prep. It would be nice to start every note in this note file with this information instead of coping it and then pasting it. NOTE: this note file contains a table that the import process does not convert. Therefore, this file is worthless in L4.

And this is what the note looks like when I am done with it:

Jack Nemeth

Unless I've missed this functionality, I don't see how you can add notes in the middle of an existing group of notes? I would like to be able to move a note up or down in the group of notes I've already taken. If I come back later to a group of notes I've taken, it seems I can only add that note to the bottom of the list, rather than place it where I need it in the overall list.

steve clark

Hi Jack, welcome to the Forum!

I would like to be able to move a note up or down in the group of notes I've already taken.

You can rearrange your notes by dragging and dropping them.

1. Hover your mouse over the left edge of a note until you see a blue bar. Then click your mouse button (and don't release) on the blue bar and drag the note.

2. As you drag your note Logos4 will show you a horizontal bar showing where the location that you can drop the note. When you get the horizontal bar where you want it release the mouse button to drop it there.

If you have a very large note file with a lot of notes you might want to use this technique as shown in the wiki article Quicker way to rearrange notes in a large Note file

DMB

This whole discussion is fascinating. What mystifies me is the Logos Inc strategic product planning (which I'd assume is the CEO himself). The Logos value-added computation added the indexing and high-speed inter-resource connectivity. And then apparently subtracted the use of same, by dummying down the note function. I'd also assume the decision process was based on looking at the statistical user patterns (most user presumably not doing much with notes?). But if Logos hopes to leverage L4 > church presentation software, the note function would be critical. Kind of an odd mystery. Plus I didn't know L3 was so good!

tom

This whole discussion is fascinating. What mystifies me is the Logos Inc strategic product planning (which I'd assume is the CEO himself). The Logos value-added computation added the indexing and high-speed inter-resource connectivity. And then apparently subtracted the use of same, by dummying down the note function. I'd also assume the decision process was based on looking at the statistical user patterns (most user presumably not doing much with notes?). But if Logos hopes to leverage L4 > church presentation software, the note function would be critical. Kind of an odd mystery. Plus I didn't know L3 was so good!

Hi Denise,

You are correct about the number of people who were using notes (statistical user patterns), and several people who said that they did not use notes in L3 stated that did not use notes in L3 came from the fact that the note feature in L3 was soooooo bad.

Notes in L3 were not that good, they are just a lot better than what is found in L4.

Bob said this on July 4th, 2009,

Let me start by saying we ARE improving notes in the next release, and implementing many of the most commonly requested features.

After close to a year and a half of L4 being sold to the public, I personally consider this statement nothing more than b.s.

Gregg Farah

Hi M.J.

So you've got some great data. What's next?

Any discussion with Morris Proctor on this topic? Would love his thoughts.

tom

Hi M.J.

So you've got some great data. What's next?

Any discussion with Morris Proctor on this topic? Would love his thoughts.

While I am not MJ, I can tell you that MJ did add this http://community.logos.com/forums/t/31366.aspx and she asked all of us to move our note votes to this request: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1619077-rework-notes-function-in-one-or-multiple-phases.

Friedrich

Hi M.J.

So you've got some great data. What's next?

Any discussion with Morris Proctor on this topic? Would love his thoughts.

i've never heard MP address this, but that doesn't mean he hasn't. At the same time, he is a trainer, but is not a programmer or even, technically (I think) a Logos employee. The direction of notes would come especially from President Bob.

Jonathan Vliet

I'm totally behind this forum, ) and I'm sorry if I'm repeating something, but I just have a quick thought:

--- I WANT NOTING MY LOGOS BIBLE TO FEEL LIKE NOTING MY PAPER BIBLE! ---

What do I mean by that?

I mean, when I make a note in my paper Bible, I feel like the note is right THERE...next to the passage to which it pertains. When I make a note in Logos, I feel like it's contained off in some distant, disconnected file...

I guess, the issue is with containing notes in a "file." This means that I can't just simply write a "note" on my page without having to decide just ONE category that this note applies to: "Heaven" --OR- "Writings of Paul" -OR- "The Second Coming", etc...but what if it applies to all three!? I can (and did) just make a file called "General Notes," but this feels cluttered, unorganized, and again, disconnected...and I have to open the file every time I want to make a simple generic note.

--- WHAT IF!? ---

What if I could highlight a passage, right click, and just add a note right there to my page without opening a loosely (if at all) applicable "note file?" As far as I'm concerned (as the user), my note was just made right there on my page (the same way it is in my paper Bible). Sure, it hides in a little yellow (or other color) box, (or other simple icon) until hovered over or clicked upon, but there it sits...no label, no category...no file, just a note!

"Okay," you say, "Mr. smarty pants, what if I DO want to associate it with a certain category?" For this, I suggest a TAGGING SYSTEM! ...I use gmail, and when I want to associate and email with something, I simply "tag" it with that category. And what if it applies to multiple categories? Well then I can tag it with all of them! "Heaven," "Writing of Paul" AND "The Second Coming!" Then gmail offers a place that I can go to view everything with that tag on it. So I could click on any of those three categories and see my same note there

This brings me to the "clincher" aspect for this kind of proposal. One CENTRAL NOTE MANAGER! From here, I can track and organize all my notes, based on their tags (or lack of tags). I can edit them from there, see when they were created, filter them, search them, etc.

Just a thought ...

Also, I'm sure this is being worked on, but the bug which randomly duplicates notes endlessly eventually discouraged me enough to finally delete my personal notes file completely, and give up entirely on using notes in Logos until this problem has been resolved. But like I said, I'm sure that's already a dead horse, so I'll just leave it at that

Thank you!

Jonathan Vliet

I would like to see a way to "tag" notes.

I have come up with my own layered tagging system, to topically "tag" the Bible as I read through, and essentially keep all my notes in one giant file
(Example: T: Jews: Festivals: Original: Passover - this would allow me to quickly search for passages regarding the Jews (search for "T: Jews") or to get more specific by adding one of the various sub-tags (search for "T: Jews: Festivals" - or most of the time I will search for ": Festivals" and this filters out any of the instances where I simply typed the word "festival" and simply find the places that are intentionally tagged). Obviously the layered-tag starts out more general and then moves more specific...

ANYWAY...What I would like to see is not only an option to tag, but also an option to filter by tag, and the PRINT what is filtered, as it appears on my screen. (The idea being, that when I need to prepare a Bible study on the Jewish festivals, I can simply use my tag filter, print that file, and have a big head start which pulls together not only those passages, but my notes right there with them!

Thank you!

Rosie Perera

I would like to see a way to "tag" notes.

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What I would like to see is not only an option to tag, but also an option to filter by tag...

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Yes, yes, yes! In fact, I just posted about this the other day.