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Just wondering when Logos will update the NAB
Released on March 9, 2011, the New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE) is the culmination of nearly 20 years of work by a group of nearly 100 scholars and theologians, including bishops, revisers and editors. The NABRE includes a newly revised translation of the entire Old Testament (including the Book of Psalms) along with the 1986 edition of the New Testament.
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Steve Egge said:
Just wondering when Logos will update the NAB
Released on March 9, 2011, the New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE) is the culmination of nearly 20 years of work by a group of nearly 100 scholars and theologians, including bishops, revisers and editors. The NABRE includes a newly revised translation of the entire Old Testament (including the Book of Psalms) along with the 1986 edition of the New Testament.
Have you made this suggestion in the suggestion forums, or written to suggest@logos.com? That would be the best way to get it to their attention. Beyond that, the matter would be between Logos and the publisher. You could also write the publisher and suggest that they approach Logos about such a joint venture.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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I don't have a timeline at this point, but we already have plans to produce the NABRE.
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THANKS for the info.
Steve
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NABRE is now in prepub: http://www.logos.com/product/9355/new-american-bible-rev-ed.
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Going to be a while before it gets enough orders for development though...
-dan
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Add one order here!
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This is most certainly on my "needs" list! *smile*
Peace to all!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Does anyone know what changes were made to the NAB for the NABRE?
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fgh said:
What am I missing here? Why won't the NABRE just be another bible in our base packages (I have Platinum for instance) and updated/included in due course?
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James Thompson said:
What am I missing here? Why won't the NABRE just be another bible in our base packages (I have Platinum for instance) and updated/included in due course?
Logos includes Bibles in various base packages => http://www.logos.com/comparison and => http://www.logos.com/catholiccomparison
Logos offers many more Bibles than are included in base packages => http://www.logos.com/products/search?Resource+Type=Bibles
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James Thompson said:
What am I missing here? Why won't the NABRE just be another bible in our base packages (I have Platinum for instance) and updated/included in due course?
That expectation would be more true for a Commentary collection or series. Whilst new volumes are initially sold as a pre-pub they usually get incorporated into the next base package update. New bibles usually replace an older version e.g. NASB95 vs. NASB, NIV2011 vs. NIV84.
Dave
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The NABRE is included in some base packages and library builders. Since Logos is committed to providing it, I suspect it's time in pre-pub is to offer others the discount rather than to raise the funds to put it in the production stream.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
The NABRE is included in some base packages and library builders.
The NAB is not in the Logos Base Packages (Home, Scholars, Gold, etc) but is in some Catholic Library collections. The latter would likely be updated after a while.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:MJ. Smith said:
The NABRE is included in some base packages and library builders.
The NAB is not in the Logos Base Packages (Home, Scholars, Gold, etc) but is in some Catholic Library collections.
I guess you've missed that according to Logos' terminology those are base packages, not "Library collections" (well, there's one Catholic Library Builder, but the other three are base packages):
(Btw, NAB and NABRE are two different resources, just as RSV and NRSV.)
MJ. Smith said:The NABRE is included in some base packages and library builders. Since Logos is committed to providing it, I suspect it's time in pre-pub is to offer others the discount rather than to raise the funds to put it in the production stream.
Actually, NABRE was in prepub almost half a year before those base packages and library builder existed. I had to cancel my order after buying the CLB, in order not to have to pay twice.
And although I know it says it ships in two weeks, I actually got mine a week ago. I guess they shipped early to those who've already paid, like they did with something else some months ago. How do you like this classification?:
Biblical Novellas?
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fgh said:
Biblical Novellas?
For the Maccabees? Someone has gone nuts
I have seen Jonah, Tobit and Judith described as short fiction. Not saying I agree simply saying I've seen it in commentaries but never in a list of books of the Bible subheading.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:fgh said:
Biblical Novellas?
For the Maccabees? Someone has gone nuts
I have seen Jonah, Tobit and Judith described as short fiction. Not saying I agree simply saying I've seen it in commentaries but never in a list of books of the Bible subheading.
While 1 Maccabees has generally been seen as a very historically accurate book the same can not be said of the second. I am not saying there is not value in the book just less reliable from a historical front compared to the first book.
-Dan
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fgh said:
I guess you've missed that according to Logos' terminology those are base packages, not "Library collections"
They weren't described that way when I looked on the NAB info page!
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:fgh said:
I guess you've missed that according to Logos' terminology those are base packages, not "Library collections"
They weren't described that way when I looked on the NAB info page!
This description is the same for any resource collection, whether these are base packages or not. Compare NIV:
or an arbitrary other resource:
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
This description is the same for any resource collection, whether these are base packages or not. Compare NIV:
I was referring to the description/name of the Catholic collections on the NAB page i.e. library vs base package.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:NB.Mick said:
This description is the same for any resource collection, whether these are base packages or not. Compare NIV:
I was referring to the description/name of the Catholic collections on the NAB page i.e. library vs base package.
Ahhh! I must admit, it took some minutes to understand which name you were referring to. You're right, Logos calls the new catholic base packages "xxxx Library" - it's easy to overlook once a string of characters invokes a mental understanding of the item described. I went back to the NIV page and marked in blue those new catholic libraries and in red our common base packages:
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GeoPappas said:
I found an official release statement here: http://catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2011/01/nab-revision-nabre-official.html
A reviewer here http://tiberriver.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/home.viewReview/review/2085 claims the changes are all in the OT, the NT being the same. I do have NABRE - was pre-issued to catholic base package owners, maybe to get some typo reports etc to flatten out before the release of the individual resource - and on spot checking only a few passages, this seems to be true, including footnotes, but there are now cross-references to other bible verses in the NABRE NT. The OT footnotes have been retained, some slightly reworked and some added.
Opened both to compare NAB to NABRE (double-click to enlargen picture)
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MJ. Smith said:
Essentially what I thought...
However, the introduction to those Biblical Novellas only talks about Tobit, Judith and Esther, so I'm wondering if that whole section wasn't supposed to be indented one step, as a subsection to The Historical Books, and then back to the main list for Maccabees. That would make a whole lot more sense. Could you (or someone else) check a paper NABRE?
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fgh said:
the introduction to those Biblical Novellas only talks about Tobit, Judith and Esther, so I'm wondering if that whole section wasn't supposed to be indented one step, as a subsection to The Historical Books, and then back to the main list for Maccabees. That would make a whole lot more sense.
I think you are right - after all they misrepresented the whole structure and display it as if it was only one level deep. So you find NT, its prefaces, "the gospels", Mt through Jn, Acts, NT Letters, Romas etc. all on the first level instead of all under NT, Mt through Jn under The Gospels etc.
Note this has not changed from the NAB.
fgh said:NABRE's introduction to the Historical Books has
Where the Hebrew Bible comprises three sections—Torah or Pentateuch; Prophetic Books, both the Former and the Latter Prophets; and the Writings, including everything else in the Hebrew Canon—the Christian Old Testament has traditionally been arranged along different lines. After the Pentateuch comes a series of books that continue, in roughly chronological order, the history of Israel. (... Joshua through Nehemia ... )
The Books of Maccabees give us two overlapping but somewhat differing accounts of Jewish resistance to Seleucid persecution in the early second century B.C., and the assumption of power by the leaders of the resistance, the Maccabees or Hasmoneans.
The traditional designation of these books as “historical” describes their scope and contents, and is not meant to assert factual verifiability; while they contain much valuable historical information, in the narrow sense, their purpose is theological rather than historiographic.
The Books of Tobit, Judith, and Esther are sometimes reckoned among the historical books, but they differ from the writings sketched above, and call for special treatment; see the introduction to those books.
This intro must be the one titled "Biblical Novellas". it says
...The Books of Tobit, Judith, and Esther are often grouped together. They are stories told to instruct the people concerning the ways of God, to encourage them in critical times, and to entertain. They are aids to the imagination. While they may contain kernels of historical fact, these stories are told primarily to illustrate truths that transcend history.
Compare this to the NAB intro to The Historical Books:
The historical books include 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, 1 and 2 Maccabees. To these are added the special literary group of Tobit, Judith, and Esther. (.... Samuel through Nehemia, Maccabees ....)
Tobit, Judith, and Esther are examples of free composition-the religious novel used for purposes of edification and instruction.
I read this as no different attidude of the publishers to these three books and in both cases as not referring to Maccabees as novellas.
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Very well argued! I've sent a mail to logos4feedback@logos.com.
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Dave Hooton said:MJ. Smith said:
The NABRE is included in some base packages and library builders.
The NAB is not in the Logos Base Packages (Home, Scholars, Gold, etc) but is in some Catholic Library collections. The latter would likely be updated after a while.
Last November I bought the Catholic Library Builder because the product description said that was the way to go if I already had a "base package" The newly created Catholic Base Package appeared to be the same content as the Catholic Library Builder and the "redundant" content of all the non-Catholic base packages. I am grateful for the huge savings I got on resources I was already committed to buying. But when the Catholic Scholar's base package was added it seems as if there are resources included in it that are not in the two lesser offerings. I wonder if I would have fared better buying the Catholic Scholars package after negotiating a discount for having Portfolio already. Here are the various groupings of resources. Logos does in fact advertise at least one as a base package:
- Catholic Foundations Library
- Catholic Scripture Study Library
- Catholic Library Builder (238 vols.)
- Catholic Scholar’s Library
I mention this in relation to the NABRE because I just noticed it is about to ship from Pre-Pub. It is one of those licenses included in the Library Builder and I had to be careful to cancel my Pre-Pub order so I won't pay for twice.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super Tramp said:
Last November I bought the Catholic Library Builder (...) But when the Catholic Scholar's base package was added it seems as if there are resources included in it that are not in the two lesser offerings. I wonder if I would have fared better buying the Catholic Scholars package after negotiating a discount for having Portfolio already
I ran this through the package comparison spreadsheet:
These are the resources (* = resource licences) contained in Catholic Scholar's (CS) but not in Portfolio nor in the the Catholic Library Builder (CLB) - as per the information I used back then to make the sheet. You may have them nevertheless from errors in the description/sheet compilation/other resource purchases. Anyway I don't think that it was wrong to go for CLB instead of CS
- New
Revised Standard Version Apocrypha Reverse Interlinear*
- An Exposition of the Acts of the Apostles, by John MacEvilly
- Logos Hymnal Media Resource
- Liturgies Eastern and Western Collection (2 vols.), by C. E.
Hammond and F. E. Brightman
- Lake's Apostolic Fathers English Reverse Interlinear (Brannan)
- Apostolic Fathers in Greek and English (Holmes Edition)
- Symbols of Church and Kingdom: A Study of Early Syriac
Tradition, by Robert Murray
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Is New Revised Standard Version Apocrypha Reverse Interlinear out yet?
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Dominick Sela said:
Is New Revised Standard Version Apocrypha Reverse Interlinear out yet?
At least I don't have it ....
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NB.Mick said:Dominick Sela said:
Is New Revised Standard Version Apocrypha Reverse Interlinear out yet?
At least I don't have it ....
Is this the same thing by a little bit different name?:
English-Greek Reverse Interlinear of the NRSV Apocryphal Texts
It is still "Under Development".
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super Tramp said:NB.Mick said:Dominick Sela said:
Is New Revised Standard Version Apocrypha Reverse Interlinear out yet?
At least I don't have it ....
Is this the same thing by a little bit different name?:
English-Greek Reverse Interlinear of the NRSV Apocryphal Texts
Yes, and it also says on the resource page that it's part of Cath. Scholar's.
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Thanks - ordered! [:D]
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fgh said:
How do you like this classification?:
It's not a "classification". All it indicates is that the "Biblical Novellas" article precedes the books of Tobit through 2 Maccabees. (If it were truly a classification, those other books would be second-level headings underneath it.)
This matches the Table of Contents as shown in the book itself: logosres:nabre;art=toc
(You may find similar "classification" issues for Acts and Revelation, which also don't have book-specific introductions.)
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Bradley Grainger said:fgh said:
How do you like this classification?:
It's not a "classification". All it indicates is that the "Biblical Novellas" article precedes the books of Tobit through 2 Maccabees. (If it were truly a classification, those other books would be second-level headings underneath it.)
This matches the Table of Contents as shown in the book itself: logosres:nabre;art=toc
(You may find similar "classification" issues for Acts and Revelation, which also don't have book-specific introductions.)
Bradley,
thanks for looking into this. The issue fgh is discussing here is that the ToC treats a tree-structure (which evidently has some branches that go to different levels) as if it was flat. The wrong impression of a "classification" comes since the introductions have no chapters and therefore look different due to the missing triangle.
I can't look into the book itself right now, but even if it was the same there, Logos should do better and reflect the structure that makes sense. I see very well that no one introduced this organization with the new resource, as NAB is the same, but still I think the usage experience would be better if this was changed.
my 0.02 EUR
Mick
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Bradley is correct. We interpreted the headings as being proper to the introductions rather than as super-headings for the books that follow. This is consistent with the table of contents, which shows them as interspersed with the books rather than providing a clear hierarchical strucuture:
The confusion occurs because the headings lack the word "Introduction". We'll add "Introduction" to our table of contents entries make this clearer.
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
The confusion occurs because the headings lack the word "Introduction".
No, the confusion arises because both common sense and the publisher sees Maccabees as Historical Books, not "Biblical Novellas", but the TOC gives the definite impression that they're considered to be Novellas. And the Contents gives an even stronger impression, given the capital letters. But checking the only 'Look inside' Bible I found on Amazon, I saw it had the same problem, so I guess this issue arose long before the book arrived at Logos.
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NB.Mick said:
These are the resources (* = resource licences) contained in Catholic Scholar's (CS) but not in Portfolio nor in the the Catholic Library Builder (CLB) (...)
- New
Revised Standard Version Apocrypha Reverse Interlinear*
- An Exposition of the Acts of the Apostles, by John MacEvilly
- Logos Hymnal Media Resource
- Liturgies Eastern and Western Collection (2 vols.), by C. E.
Hammond and F. E. Brightman
- Lake's Apostolic Fathers English Reverse Interlinear (Brannan)
- Apostolic Fathers in Greek and English (Holmes Edition)
- Symbols of Church and Kingdom: A Study of Early Syriac
Tradition, by Robert Murray
Symbols...is in Portfolio, and both the Hymnal and the two Apostolic Fathers were in older base packages, like the one Matthew has.
When I made my comparison, Liturgies and the NRSV Apocrypha RI were the only two I didn't have. Since then they have added Exposition, and, very recently, the Catechism.
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fgh said:
Symbols...is in Portfolio, and both the Hymnal and the two Apostolic Fathers were in older base packages, like the one Matthew has.
When I made my comparison, Liturgies and the NRSV Apocrypha RI were the only two I didn't have. Since then they have added Exposition, and, very recently, the Catechism.
Thanks. It seems they either added Symbols to Portfolio recently or it got overlooked back when another user and I built the comparison sheet. I updated my file.
Regarding Catechism: I'm unsure about these later changes to base packages outside of real package release updates. Will I get this automatically as part of my Catholic Scholars, even though it was not listed as a part of this when I bought CS back in December? Then I could save $10 by cancelling my Pre-Pub order.....
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NB.Mick said:
Regarding Catechism: I'm unsure about these later changes to base packages outside of real package release updates. Will I get this automatically as part of my Catholic Scholars, even though it was not listed as a part of this when I bought CS back in December? Then I could save $10 by cancelling my Pre-Pub order.....
This is peculiar case where, because of its importance, we desired and intended to include the Catechism with the Catholic libraries from the beginning and included the license in anticipation of securing the content as soon as possible. You do not need to repurchase it.
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Louis St. Hilaire said:NB.Mick said:
Regarding Catechism: I'm unsure about these later changes to base packages outside of real package release updates. Will I get this automatically as part of my Catholic Scholars, even though it was not listed as a part of this when I bought CS back in December? Then I could save $10 by cancelling my Pre-Pub order.....
This is peculiar case where, because of its importance, we desired and intended to include the Catechism with the Catholic libraries from the beginning and included the license in anticipation of securing the content as soon as possible. You do not need to repurchase it.
Thanks a lot!
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Louis St. Hilaire said:
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This is peculiar case where, because of its importance, we desired and intended to include the Catechism with the Catholic libraries from the beginning and included the license in anticipation of securing the content as soon as possible. You do not need to repurchase it.
Does this apply to the Catholic Library Builder as well?
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Hapax Legomena said:
Does this apply to the Catholic Library Builder as well?
Sorry. No. We didn't anticipate the Catechism in this way when putting together the Library Builder.
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