NABRE

Steve Egge said:

Just wondering when Logos will update the NAB

Released on March 9, 2011, the New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE) is the culmination of nearly 20 years of work by a group of nearly 100 scholars and theologians, including bishops, revisers and editors. The NABRE includes a newly revised translation of the entire Old Testament (including the Book of Psalms) along with the 1986 edition of the New Testament.

Have you made this suggestion in the suggestion forums, or written to suggest@logos.com? That would be the best way to get it to their attention. Beyond that, the matter would be between Logos and the publisher. You could also write the publisher and suggest that they approach Logos about such a joint venture.

James Thompson said:

What am I missing here? Why won't the NABRE just be another bible in our base packages (I have Platinum for instance) and updated/included in due course?

Logos includes Bibles in various base packages => http://www.logos.com/comparison and => http://www.logos.com/catholiccomparison

Logos offers many more Bibles than are included in base packages => http://www.logos.com/products/search?Resource+Type=Bibles

Keep Smiling [:)]

The NABRE is included in some base packages and library builders. Since Logos is committed to providing it, I suspect it's time in pre-pub is to offer others the discount rather than to raise the funds to put it in the production stream.

Dave Hooton said:

fgh said:

I guess you've missed that according to Logos' terminology those are base packages, not "Library collections"

They weren't described that way when I looked on the NAB info page!

This description is the same for any resource collection, whether these are base packages or not. Compare NIV:

or an arbitrary other resource:

GeoPappas said:

GeoPappas said:

Does anyone know what changes were made to the NAB for the NABRE?

Anybody?

I found an official release statement here: http://catholicbibles.blogspot.com/2011/01/nab-revision-nabre-official.html 

A reviewer here http://tiberriver.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/home.viewReview/review/2085 claims the changes are all in the OT, the NT being the same. I do have NABRE - was pre-issued to catholic base package owners, maybe to get some typo reports etc to flatten out before the release of the individual resource - and on spot checking only a few passages, this seems to be true, including footnotes, but there are now cross-references to other bible verses in the NABRE NT. The OT footnotes have been retained, some slightly reworked and some added.

Opened both to compare NAB to NABRE (double-click to enlargen picture)

fgh said:

the introduction to those Biblical Novellas only talks about Tobit, Judith and Esther, so I'm wondering if that whole section wasn't supposed to be indented one step, as a subsection to The Historical Books, and then back to the main list for Maccabees. That would make a whole lot more sense.

I think you are right - after all they misrepresented the whole structure and display it as if it was only one level deep. So you find NT, its prefaces, "the gospels", Mt through Jn, Acts, NT Letters, Romas etc. all on the first level instead of all under NT, Mt through Jn under The Gospels etc.

Note this has not changed from the NAB.

fgh said:

MJ. Smith said:

fgh said:

Biblical Novellas?

For the Maccabees? Someone has gone nuts

NABRE's introduction to the Historical Books has

Where the Hebrew Bible comprises three sections—Torah or Pentateuch; Prophetic Books, both the Former and the Latter Prophets; and the Writings, including everything else in the Hebrew Canon—the Christian Old Testament has traditionally been arranged along different lines. After the Pentateuch comes a series of books that continue, in roughly chronological order, the history of Israel. (... Joshua through Nehemia ... )

The Books of Maccabees give us two overlapping but somewhat differing accounts of Jewish resistance to Seleucid persecution in the early second century B.C., and the assumption of power by the leaders of the resistance, the Maccabees or Hasmoneans.

The traditional designation of these books as “historical” describes their scope and contents, and is not meant to assert factual verifiability; while they contain much valuable historical information, in the narrow sense, their purpose is theological rather than historiographic.

The Books of Tobit, Judith, and Esther are sometimes reckoned among the historical books, but they differ from the writings sketched above, and call for special treatment; see the introduction to those books. 

This intro must be the one titled "Biblical Novellas". it says

...The Books of Tobit, Judith, and Esther are often grouped together. They are stories told to instruct the people concerning the ways of God, to encourage them in critical times, and to entertain. They are aids to the imagination. While they may contain kernels of historical fact, these stories are told primarily to illustrate truths that transcend history.

Compare this to the NAB intro to The Historical Books:

The historical books include 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, 1 and 2 Maccabees. To these are added the special literary group of Tobit, Judith, and Esther. (.... Samuel through Nehemia, Maccabees ....)

Tobit, Judith, and Esther are examples of free composition-the religious novel used for purposes of edification and instruction. 

I read this as no different attidude of the publishers to these three books and in both cases as not referring to Maccabees as novellas.

Bradley Grainger said:

fgh said:

How do you like this classification?:

It's not a "classification". All it indicates is that the "Biblical Novellas" article precedes the books of Tobit through 2 Maccabees. (If it were truly a classification, those other books would be second-level headings underneath it.)

This matches the Table of Contents as shown in the book itself: logosres:nabre;art=toc

(You may find similar "classification" issues for Acts and Revelation, which also don't have book-specific introductions.)

Bradley,

thanks for looking into this. The issue fgh is discussing here is that the ToC treats a tree-structure (which evidently has some branches that go to different levels) as if it was flat. The wrong impression of a "classification" comes since the introductions have no chapters and therefore look different due to the missing triangle.

I can't look into the book itself right now, but even if it was the same there, Logos should do better and reflect the structure that makes sense. I see very well that no one introduced this organization with the new resource, as NAB is the same, but still I think the usage experience would be better if this was changed.

my 0.02 EUR

Mick

fgh said:

Symbols...is in Portfolio, and both the Hymnal and the two Apostolic Fathers were in older base packages, like the one Matthew has. 

When I made my comparison, Liturgies and the NRSV Apocrypha RI were the only two I didn't have. Since then they have added Exposition, and, very recently, the Catechism.

Thanks. It seems they either added Symbols to Portfolio recently or it got overlooked back when another user and I built the comparison sheet. I updated my file.

Regarding Catechism: I'm unsure about these later changes to base packages outside of real package release updates. Will I get this automatically as part of my Catholic Scholars, even though it was not listed as a part of this when I bought CS back in December? Then I could save $10 by cancelling my Pre-Pub order.....

Louis St. Hilaire said:

NB.Mick said:

Regarding Catechism: I'm unsure about these later changes to base packages outside of real package release updates. Will I get this automatically as part of my Catholic Scholars, even though it was not listed as a part of this when I bought CS back in December? Then I could save $10 by cancelling my Pre-Pub order.....

This is peculiar case where, because of its importance, we desired and intended to include the Catechism with the Catholic libraries from the beginning and included the license in anticipation of securing the content as soon as possible. You do not need to repurchase it.

Thanks a lot!