Is there a Place For KJV / Anti Westcott-Hort Followers with Logos ?

Looking at the large number of references/works in the Various versions that Logos has out, I am wondering if there is a place for those proponents of KVJ / Anti Westcott-Hort, as it seems the great number of them are based on the "older" manuscripts.?

Perhaps another way of asking this is would be.. , What resources in Logos would favor the KJV and would there be enough to justify the cost of the software itself ?

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Robert Pavich

I think that you'd have to go to the site for products, and limiting a search using the checkboxes on the left side of the web page.

Someone else with more knowledge would have to tell you more than that.

Here is a search of the web page using "Byzantine" as the search:

http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=byzantine

painfree

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231552#Comment_231552

I imagine that is the case however there is no "filter" available on the left side that would give such information.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231554#Comment_231554

If you're wondering if there is a "Anti-WC Pro KJV" filter...nope.

You just have to search.

TCBlack

In a word: Yes.

The breadth of material available in Logos is phenomenal. If you're interested in studying the Bible (a statement not a question) then Logos has some great abilities. Start with setting your preferred version of the KJV to your preferred bible and Bible searches will be built upon that foundation.

Once that is done, you can read any work in Logos and instantly link to the KJV verse of your liking because the preferred bible status will mark every reference in every book as a link to your KJV.

Additionally you may enjoy this blog post which is at least tangentially relevant to your question.

In search of the King James Version - Logos Bible Software Blog http://blog.logos.com/archives/2006/03/in_search_of_the_king_james_ve_1.html

painfree

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231555#Comment_231555

Perhaps a professor or someone like that would know, but a regular member of a fellowship would be rather lost in attempting such a search. It may be that you have answered the question and Logos in its various prepared versions is not for a KJV individual ?

painfree

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231556#Comment_231556

OK Great... thank you for that answer as it sure sheds a different light on the subject..

SteveF

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231560#Comment_231560

Logos in its various prepared versions is not for a KJV individual ?

No that is not the only logical conclusion.

Logos is not "for" anything, except that it is "for" producing resources.

If you are definitely interested in a "polemical" KJV "only approach I would suggest looking into some of the Logos Journal resources produced by Galaxie. There are a number of those Journals which are from schools/institutions very "strongly" supportive of a KJV "only" approach.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231556#Comment_231556

Thomas ... that was a very interesting article on the KJV. I was especially amazed with the robotic scanner (http://www.logos.com/features/bookscanner). I knew about the coffee maker.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231643#Comment_231643

I TOLD you smarter people would chime in.... [:D]

Dave Hooton

What resources in Logos would favor the KJV

The KJV bible is titled Authorized Version. Then there are the later Cambridge Paragraph Bible (1873) and KJV 1900. All have Strong's numbers (together with other non-KJV Interlinear bibles) so you can use Enhanced Strong's Lexicon for definitions or New Strong's Guide to Bible Words or The New Strong's Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words or (Strong's) Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and the Hebrew Bible. Vine's Expository Dictionary is useful for word studies.

EDIT: also The Complete Word Study Bible: King James Version

Keith Larson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231743#Comment_231743

Nelson offers two resources in Logos format that is just what you are looking for. The Greek NT According to the Majority Text and Critical Apparatus to the Greek NT According to the Majority Text. http://www.logos.com/product/2390/the-greek-new-testament-according-to-the-majority-text-with-apparatus

What more do you want?

Edwin Bowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231743#Comment_231743

http://www.logos.com/product/1198/king-james-version-study-bible

http://www.logos.com/product/1202/kjv-bible-commentary

http://www.logos.com/product/1222/thru-the-bible-commentary

http://www.logos.com/product/1197/king-james-bible-word-book

Dan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231750#Comment_231750

Nelson offers two resources in Logos format that is just what you are looking for. The Greek NT According to the Majority Text and Critical Apparatus to the Greek NT According to the Majority Text. http://www.logos.com/product/2390/the-greek-new-testament-according-to-the-majority-text-with-apparatus

So... can anyone help me understand the how this differs from the Elzevier Textus Receptus, or Stephen's Textus Receptus, or Scrivener's NT in Greek, or Byzantine Textform? Other than the publication date and apparatus is there much difference?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231560#Comment_231560

It may be that you have answered the question and Logos in its various prepared versions is not for a KJV individual ?

Hi Painfree,

I would amend your quote above to say Logos is not only for the KJV individual.

The resources offered in Logos are so incredibly wide ranging, there is almost something for everyone. Now because there are a lot of differing preferences among "everyone" there will be a majority of resources a KJV-Only person would not find all that desirable. This does not mean there are not any that they do find desirable. I attend a church that uses KJV only. My personal Logos library includes many titles that use versions other than KJV. But I also have a good collection of materials in Logos that are either built upon the KJV or focus directly on it's literal content.

When perusing the commentary descriptions look for older works. Anything dated before the modern versions will most likely be based on the KJV. It is fairly easy to discover what Bible version a preacher/ teacher favors.

I would like to see some of the KJV-Only authors like Peter Ruckman, David Cloud, or William Grady in Logos format but I think they may object to their copyrighted material being available alongside the NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV or whatever. Logos would not not hold their version preference against them. They represent an important segment of Christianity and understanding them is a good thing whether or not one agrees with them.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231750#Comment_231750

Nelson offers two resources in Logos format that is just what you are looking for. The Greek NT According to the Majority Text and Critical Apparatus to the Greek NT According to the Majority Text. http://www.logos.com/product/2390/the-greek-new-testament-according-to-the-majority-text-with-apparatus

Here is another one I think that no one mentioned that is focused on the Byzantine Majority text

http://www.logos.com/product/1792/the-new-testament-in-the-original-greek-byzantine-textform-2005-with-morphology

painfree

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231552#Comment_231552

Robert, thank you for that Link as I found Tense Voice Mood by Larry Pierce and that looks good for both the New and Old Testaments. It brings back fond memories as in the early '90s I distributed via US Mail, probably hundreds of copies of the Online Bible in 1.44MB Disk Format to Prodigy members and they were so blown away when they received them.

Of course in addition to the changes in the NT, there are massive changes in the OT as well. I am not at this time sure how Logos works regarding the KJV OT interlinear, but I am sure there are some that know if it does in one of the premade editions or are these references available "ala carte" ?

painfree

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231556#Comment_231556

Thomas or perhaps another Logos veteran.., can you please elaborate on what you mean when you said "...because the preferred bible status will mark EVERY (emphasis mine) reference in EVERY (emphasis mine) book as a link to your KJV" ? Does Every really mean Every or is it a generality?

Another has suggested that I do a search for KJV and in that search I have found both David Jeremiah and Charles Stanley "packages" that have reference works that may be useful such as a New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge, Enhanced Strongs, New Bible Dictionary.. etc, etc, yet it seems that the price for several of these volumes in a package is less costly than purchasing one alone.???

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231885#Comment_231885

Thomas or perhaps another Logos veteran.., can you please elaborate on what you mean when you said "...because the preferred bible status will mark EVERY (emphasis mine) reference in EVERY (emphasis mine) book as a link to your KJV" ? Does Every really mean Every or is it a generality?

Any time there is a link to a Bible reference in any Bible, clicking it will open your preferred Bible to that text. It does not mean that when you're reading a commentary that quotes the Bible, that the quote in the text of the commentary will be changed. But if there is a reference to that text (either before or after the quote), clicking it will open your preferred Bible.

Another has suggested that I do a search for KJV and in that search I have found both David Jeremiah and Charles Stanley "packages" that have reference works that may be useful such as a New Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge, Enhanced Strongs, New Bible Dictionary.. etc, etc, yet it seems that the price for several of these volumes in a package is less costly than purchasing one alone.???

Yes, sometimes packages provide great deals. Be aware that some (most?) of them may require installing Libronix (Logos3), or calling in to tech support to give you a license to open them in Logos4.

Bob Schaefer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231885#Comment_231885

Thomas or perhaps another Logos veteran.., can you please elaborate on what you mean when you said "...because the preferred bible status will mark EVERY (emphasis mine) reference in EVERY (emphasis mine) book as a link to your KJV" ? Does Every really mean Every or is it a generality?

I wouldn't want to say "every" as a matter of mathematical certainty. But for all practical purposes in everyday use, "every" is probably what you'll experience.

Logos is capable of generating URLs that link to a verse in a particular translation, as opposed to opening the user's preferred Bible to that verse. So I suppose it's technically possible you might somewhere encounter a link in a resource that is intended to open a specific translation for whatever reason. But I can't recall ever encountering one - I think Logos probably formats its links to use the preferred Bible as a matter of policy.

You'd be more likely to encounter such a thing in user-generated content, but it's still going to be infrequent. Even if you do run across a link formatted this way, switching to the KJV would be a simple matter of choosing it from the parallel resources dropdown menu.

Hope that helps!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/231885#Comment_231885

yet it seems that the price for several of these volumes in a package is less costly than purchasing one alone.???

If you can get an old Libronix collection eg. Nelson's, they can be quite inexpensive.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/232028#Comment_232028

I suppose it's technically possible you might somewhere encounter a link in a resource that is intended to open a specific translation for whatever reason. But I can't recall ever encountering one - I think Logos probably formats its links to use the preferred Bible as a matter of policy.

I believe I've read that the Jewish NT Commentary is coded to open the Jewish NT, which seems reasonable, considering that it is a very different translation. (I'll know for sure when I get it. If you have any votes over, please feel free to help me get it for a good price. [:)] )