Are your MP training manuals for the same L4 release?

I just received both volumes of the MP training manuals for L4 from Logos. Vol. 1 is for version 4.2.031711, and vol. 2 is for 4.1.102410. I would have thought the two volumes would have been for the same version, at least 4.2. I'm sure I'm being persnickety, but paying over $60 for two spiral-bound manuals heightens my persniketyness. Wink

The information looks great, though, and I'm sure will prove very helpful.

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Matthew C Jones

I just received both volumes of the MP training manuals for L4 from Logos. Vol. 1 is for version 4.2.031711, and vol. 2 is for 4.1.102410. I would have thought the two volumes would have been for the same version,

I have not yet ordered the manuals but I do intend to, even knowing the persnickety facts. [;)] It occurred to me a couple years back that printed manuals for an evolving program (pardon that offensive Darwinian term) will almost be impossible to keep up to date. To provide the latest version possible would require print-on-demand. And even then it would be out-dated in a week.

I just received my Camp Logos Live DVDs and I am very happy Morris Proctor Seminars made them available. I look forward to Camp Logos Live 2 on DVD someday.. If we could persuade Morris to sell PDF versions of the manuals they could be kept up-to-date with the latest changes. But they could also end up selling just one copy and having it duplicated 5000 times. [6] (That would be the end of the manuals [:(])

Bill Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246938#Comment_246938

Yes, I agree with you, Matthew. Expecting printed manuals to keep up with updated programs goes beyond even my level of persnickteyness. I just thought that a two-volume set would be of the same software release. It does seem feasible, though, for updated manuals to be sold for a nominal cost whenever a major update is released. At least PDF files of updated material (not the entire manual) could be sent to owners of printed manuals, so it seems to me.

BTW, I bought the Camp Logos DVDs, too, and then decided to take the plunge and get the manuals as well.

Nielsen Tomazini

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246938#Comment_246938

have not yet ordered the manuals but I do intend to, even knowing the persnickety facts. It occurred to me a couple years back that printed manuals for an evolving program (pardon that offensive Darwinian term) will almost be impossible to keep up to date. To provide the latest version possible would require print-on-demand. And even then it would be out-dated in a week.

Matthew, you are right. For a software it is already complicated a printed manual, now particularly to the case of Logos 4 it is even worse. Logos 4 was released incomplete (I believe I have exhausted this issue already in different posts), so, in order to complete the program while it is already in use, you may one day or another notice differences.

I have created some tutorials for students at the seminary where I work and I had to change some images and instructions because of the updates. Well, one change or another is not a big deal, but just the idea that the program is not ready yet and, like you well described, it is a darwinist software, it makes you wonder when the changes will come.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246948#Comment_246948

I just thought that a two-volume set would be of the same software release.

There were probably no changes needed for the "older" of the two so it was shipped as printed. Maybe a good practice would be to update both manuals' version numbers. That could mis-lead users into thinking there was a content difference when there is not................ Perplexing marketing challenges here.

You did give me an idea.[I]

If a digital version of the manual could be offered to users who purchase the paper version it could be integrated into our Logos resources. Unauthorized duplication would be hindered by the licensing system and it could be updated as needed.

If Morris can get this into Community Pricing I bet it would beat the previous one-week record for achieving Pre-Pub status. [:D]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246948#Comment_246948

At least PDF files of updated material (not the entire manual) could be sent to owners of printed manuals, so it seems to me.

This is what was done for the first edition up to a point. Then the second edition was available at a discount.

MJ. Smith

Vol. 1 is for version 4.2.031711, and vol. 2 is for 4.1.102410.

There may not be any changes between the 2 versions that affect the information in the second volume.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246958#Comment_246958

like you well described, it is a darwinist software, it makes you wonder when the changes will come.

If it took "billions & billions" of years it would not be a problem. It is the 6 Day (24 hr) model that is complicating things from a printed manual perspective. [8-|]

The new features and improvements are being implemented continually. (Apple might have a problem if we keep using "Darwin" to describe software)

I am happy with the progress Logos 4 has made in the last 2 years and I look forward to what it will become in the next 2 years.

Deborah

I just received both volumes of the MP training manuals for L4 from Logos. Vol. 1 is for version 4.2.031711, and vol. 2 is for 4.1.102410. I would have thought the two volumes would have been for the same version, at least 4.2. I'm sure I'm being persnickety, but paying over $60 for two spiral-bound manuals heightens my persniketyness.

The information looks great, though, and I'm sure will prove very helpful.

Bill,

When Logos 4.2 came out, it did not affect the material that is included in Volume 2, which is why "4.1.102410" is listed as the version number in Volume 2. The information in Volume 1 did change when 4.2 came out, so a new version of Volume 1 was released to match the information in 4.2.

Deborah

Bill Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247025#Comment_247025

Bill,

When Logos 4.2 came out, it did not affect the material that is included in Volume 2, which is why "4.1.102410" is listed as the version number in Volume 2. The information in Volume 1 did change when 4.2 came out, so a new version of Volume 1 was released to match the information in 4.2.

Deborah

Thanks, Deborah. That makes sense. I had wondered if a "left-over" 4.1 volume 2 in stock at Logos had mistakenly been sent with the 4.2 volume 1. This clears it up.

Deborah

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247031#Comment_247031

Bill,

When Logos 4.2 came out, it did not affect the material that is included in Volume 2, which is why "4.1.102410" is listed as the version number in Volume 2. The information in Volume 1 did change when 4.2 came out, so a new version of Volume 1 was released to match the information in 4.2.

Deborah

Thanks, Deborah. That makes sense. I had wondered if a "left-over" 4.1 volume 2 in stock at Logos had mistakenly been sent with the 4.2 volume 1. This clears it up.

You're welcome!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246960#Comment_246960

There were probably no changes needed for the "older" of the two so it was shipped as printed. Maybe a good practice would be to update both manuals' version numbers. That could mis-lead users into thinking there was a content difference when there is not................ Perplexing marketing challenges here.

Well puppy,

I am sure glad we all settled on that observation. Feel validated now, Matthew?

Bill Moore

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247100#Comment_247100

There were probably no changes needed for the "older" of the two so it was shipped as printed. Maybe a good practice would be to update both manuals' version numbers. That could mis-lead users into thinking there was a content difference when there is not................ Perplexing marketing challenges here.

Well puppy,

I am sure glad we all settled on that observation. Feel validated now, Matthew?

That was a good observation. Deborah made it official. [:D] But I think that your idea about updating both manuals' version numbers would keep questions from persnickety users at bay.