verse export to Word
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Robert Pavich said:
something that may ease your pain is to put a short cut on the short cut tool bar so now it's at least only one click...
open a copy bible verses window...hold the tab and drag to the short cut tool bar.
I endorse this tip. I suspect many haven't figured out yet that they can put some of these features right on the toolbar. Only problem on resources such as books is that a tiny little cover is the icon--cool, but they all tend to look alike. Mouse-over text, however, makes it work.
I have Copy Bible Verse on my toolbar, as well as a favorite Layout.
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Rob Suggs said:Robert Pavich said:
something that may ease your pain is to put a short cut on the short cut tool bar so now it's at least only one click...
open a copy bible verses window...hold the tab and drag to the short cut tool bar.
I endorse this tip. I suspect many haven't figured out yet that they can put some of these features right on the toolbar. Only problem on resources such as books is that a tiny little cover is the icon--cool, but they all tend to look alike. Mouse-over text, however, makes it work.
I have Copy Bible Verse on my toolbar, as well as a favorite Layout.
This is fine for working inside of Logos. However for typing up sermons, lessons, papers, etc... It is a waste of time and a HUGE step backward from what Smart Tags allowed from right inside MS Word. The evolution of software should make things easier and more efficient not add steps and difficulty.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Frank Sauer said:
It is a waste of time and a HUGE step backward from what Smart Tags allowed from right inside MS Word. The evolution of software should make things easier and more efficient not add steps and difficulty.
I would agree that leaving the CBV as the only copy option available to us would be a step backwords. Probably not quite as big of a step as Frank since smart tags still had to open up V3 once you selected one, but still a step backwards. Now if there is a way to make it happen without opening L4...that would be a huge step forward!
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Yeah I always had L3 open when I was doing it anyway, so that was not a deal for me, but I agree Philip - IF it could be done without using the L4 engine to feed it, that would be an incredible feat and step forward! I'll be very pleased if I could get the old Smart Tags back working with L4 in the same manner in the interim though
Philip Spitzer said:Frank Sauer said:It is a waste of time and a HUGE step backward from what Smart Tags allowed from right inside MS Word. The evolution of software should make things easier and more efficient not add steps and difficulty.
I would agree that leaving the CBV as the only copy option available to us would be a step backwords. Probably not quite as big of a step as Frank since smart tags still had to open up V3 once you selected one, but still a step backwards. Now if there is a way to make it happen without opening L4...that would be a huge step forward!
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Bob Pritchett said:
Are you using them in older versions of Word, or are they still working well in the latest, etc.?
The Logos Smart tag works in the latest edition of MS Word (2007). I use it every week and would miss it a great deal (still have Version 3 so am OK now). It's just faster and more convenient than CBV.
Bob Pritchett said:We'll look into bringing it back. (Or would a user-choosable, system-wide shortcut key be even better? Then you could, say, Ctrl+Alt+C and then type a reference?
I would miss the copy Bible verses tray icon but could work around it.
Bob Pritchett said:Definitely. Esp. if a Smart tag was not available. But I use the Verse List of Version 2 (never liked the one in version 3 and could still somehow call up the old one) esp. when doing a topical study, so would appreciate the functionality.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I guess I don't know what I am missing. I never used smart tags and really don't know what they are. I also didn't like the little books cluttering up my tray, but I didn't really know how to use them either. Can't imagine I missed out on a tool so many find indispensable.
As a non-techie, the thing that grabbed me in all this discussion is having uniform copy/paste ability. It frustrated me a lot in L3 when I would have a group of verses and not be able to manipulate or print them. I am not sure where that was: Englishman's? Verse List? Concordance? I would always forget which one I had a problem with and only discover it when I went to copy/paste.
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Hi Bob,
Thanks so much for listening...
Bob Pritchett said:But clearly many of you used this a lot. We'll look into bringing it back. (Or would a user-choosable, system-wide shortcut key be even better? Then you could, say, Ctrl+Alt+C and then type a reference?
Either icon or system-wide shortcut would work for me, with a mild preference for shortcut. At that point in my weekly work, both Word & Logos are open, but I'm working from Word. Most often, it's to add the complete text of a reference, after I've entered the reference.
Bob Pritchett said:Yes. It's easier/faster to drag part of it to another location than to go back thru the steps to copy it over. Much more often, however, I'm copying something like John3:16, 18 than I am John 3:16, Eph 2:8-9. But logically, it's the same problem.
Bob Pritchett said:SmartTags got "forgotten" because Microsoft seemed to move away from them. We haven't looked at the implementation in...um... forever. Are you using them in older versions of Word, or are they still working well in the latest, etc.?
They work fine in Office 2007, everywhere they worked in earlier versions (Word & Power Point).
Thanks again for listening!
Bill
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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I could live with a universal key like the one suggested, or even a taskbar box like google desktop search creates. (oooh, embed the commandbar on my taksbar.....)Bob Pritchett said:Microsoft's been trying to keep apps from cluttering the system tray area with lots of tiny icons. (Windows 7 tries to hide as many as possible.) We thought we were doing the right thing by getting ours out of there. But clearly many of you used this a lot. We'll look into bringing it back. (Or would a user-choosable, system-wide shortcut key be even better? Then you could, say, Ctrl+Alt+C and then type a reference?
Youbetcha!Bob Pritchett said:
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Thomas Black said:
(oooh, embed the commandbar on my taksbar.....)
Bob...Make this happen and you will be my hero. have a Copy utility accessible through the Windows 7 Jumplist!
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Is anyone else having problems with L4 crashing when trying to do things with "Copy Bible Verses"? It crashes on me sometimes when I'm trying to edit styles, and now it's doing it when I try to copy more than one verse.
John 5:17 = okay
John 5:17-18 = crash
The first problem is happening on two different computers. I don't know about the second problem since my other computer is at the office.
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Yes, this copy to word, multiple verses feature is a must. At our ministry we use it all the time.
What would the short-cut key actually do?
Ed B
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Yes if you go to Word Options/Advanced in Word 7, the Bible Smart tags are still listed as available.
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And they invoke L3 on usage.
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Bob Pritchett said:
I'm really sorry we missed how so many of you use this.
Bob, what is much more important is your (and Logos') willingness to listen and make modifications. It is the most "un-Apple-like" thing of the new Logos 4! [;)]
Bob Pritchett said:Microsoft's been trying to keep apps from cluttering the system tray area with lots of tiny icons. (Windows 7 tries to hide as many as possible.) We thought we were doing the right thing by getting ours out of there. But clearly many of you used this a lot. We'll look into bringing it back. (Or would a user-choosable, system-wide shortcut key be even better? Then you could, say, Ctrl+Alt+C and then type a reference?
I think that the shortcut key is better. It works very well on that other Bible software. Ctrl+Shift+B and viola! Smart tags work pretty well in Word 2007, but not so well (for example) in PowerPoint 2007 (or Excel). The universal shortkey would be excellent in all those situations.
Bob Pritchett said:This is essential.
Thanks again, Bob!
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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I am a long time user of LOGOS (back in the x486 computer days with the original version of your software) and a first time poster to these forums.
It is a huge dissappointment that the CBV feature of L3 did not get an upgrade, but instead, a downgrade. This is an absolutely essential time saver for me personally. Smart Tags are important to me too. Let me try and explain how I use these features to maybe help some and then, if I might, offer a suggested feature for all office documents that would be just phenomonal.
I use the CBV to copy a long list of verses, sometimes as many as 30 passages into what I call "Scripture Sheets" for sermons. Sometimes I hand these out, other times they are for my speedy reference while in the pulpit or in front of the class. Obviously, this requires the ability to copy and paste multiple verses at one time. It is a huge time saver, in contrast to going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. The only thing better would be not having to retype the list of verses from my sermon outline into the CBV to paste into my "Scripture Sheet", but more on that in a sec. Being able to copy and paste multiple verses in one shot is huge time saver and an essential feature for me.
Please revisit this feature and add to the features of the L3 version or simply implement the L3 feature back into the L4 app. Please do not remove any functionality from the L3 version when it is upgraded. Whether it is on the system tray or in the L4 app is secondary to me, as long as it is there, available and functioning.
The only improvement I would make is to allow a type of autolist feature based on Bible references in an office document. For instance, if I type a sermon outline with just the Bible reference at the end of my points, Smart Tags already identifies the references. It would be absolutely wonderful .... an incredible time saver ... to be able to click a button (macro) or link and have all of my cited Bible references in that particular document show up in some type of "Lookup List" in LOGOS 4 that I can cut and paste from (even multiple verses at a time) in a single swoop. Then I would not have to reenter the references into the CBV at all. They would be all looked up in a single list ready to go for me, formatted based on my current CBV settings. This would be amazing! I can see something like this working for what many above have suggested their use is too.
I have to say, I concur with the sentiments expressed by all here when I say thanks for a wonderful product! Thanks for listening to our feedback! AND thanks in advance for upgrading the CBV functionality in LOGOS 4 as soon as humanly possible. This is so essential that I think it deserves a hotfix, or update, all of its own at the nearest possible date, rather than waiting to deploy it with a bigger update. I hate that now I have to use both L3 and L4 until this feature is fixed. The L3 CBV is a huge, huge, huge feature for me and a monumental time saver.
Thanks for listening.
In Christ,
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I am a new user to the forums. I for one would like a convenient was to use copy bible verses, whether it opens on demand or stays in the task bar. But the multiple verse support is huge to me. I used to copy lists of scripture references out of other texts into the copy bible verse to print them out for easy access. Now I have to enter 30 or 40 verses in one at a time. I myself would like also to see greater compatibility with Wordperfect software which I still find to be easier and less problematic than Word.
thanks,
Chris
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Christopher Funkhouser said:
I myself would like also to see greater compatibility with Wordperfect software which I still find to be easier and less problematic than Word.
Yes.
(From another die-hard WordPerfect user.)
Though I know there are some problems with this, as WP isn't fully unicode compliant, and there is nothing like 'smart tags' in WP. But it would be great to get the ability to address the CBV directly through a WP macro (as was possible in L3). This is by far preferred, since the macro can then 'clean-up' all the formatting junk that get's imported along with the text, while preserving the basic formatting.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Well,
both members of the "Last surviving WordPerfect Users Club" have arrived...the meeting will now come to order....
[:D]
Robert Pavich
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I'll add my voice in support of SmartTags.
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I just tried tags in the latest version of Word and they are there, and working, but with v3 Logos.
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I would ask that you do not only implement Smart Tags. I write my sermons using Open Office - Smart Tags do not work in OO. On the other hand, either of the two other methods mentioned in this thread (use of an icon in the system tray or a shortcut) to pull up Bible verses work well across a number of programs.
Floyd
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
I would ask that you do not only implement Smart Tags. I write my sermons using Open Office - Smart Tags do not work in OO. On the other hand, either of the two other methods mentioned in this thread (use of an icon in the system tray or a shortcut) to pull up Bible verses work well across a number of programs.
That is a very good point. Though I would really prefer the solution be an also/and rather then either/or. I really use the smart tags :-)
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Philip Spitzer said:Floyd Johnson said:
I would ask that you do not only implement Smart Tags. I write my sermons using Open Office - Smart Tags do not work in OO. On the other hand, either of the two other methods mentioned in this thread (use of an icon in the system tray or a shortcut) to pull up Bible verses work well across a number of programs.
That is a very good point. Though I would really prefer the solution be an also/and rather then either/or. I really use the smart tags :-)
I thought that was what I was advocating for - if not, then let me add my voice to the "BOTH/AND" proposal - just because Smart Tags do not work for me, I know that many use them. I think offering all three methods would be the best solution in order to meet the needs of many different users.
Blessings,
Floyd
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
I would ask that you do not only implement Smart Tags.
The only had you covered. Sorry for missing it.
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Philip Spitzer said:Floyd Johnson said:
I would ask that you do not only implement Smart Tags.
The only had you covered. Sorry for missing it.
I wasn't even sure you had missed it - just wanted make sure we were on the same page. [:)]
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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I've obviously been doing it the hard way in V3. Could someone explain how "smart tags" work. I use Word 2003 with V3 all the time and don't know what these are. Thanks!!!
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Scott Howard Clark said:
I've obviously been doing it the hard way in V3. Could someone explain how "smart tags" work. I use Word 2003 with V3 all the time and don't know what these are. Thanks!!!
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Bob Pritchett said:
We'll look into bringing it back. (Or would a user-choosable, system-wide shortcut key be even better? Then you could, say, Ctrl+Alt+C and then type a reference?
For me either way would work, particularly if you give us the ability to assign our our short-cut key combo. I think I have CTRL-ALT-C assigned already. Windows desktop short cuts can be assigned key-combos as well, and that defaults to CTRL-ALT-[key], so maybe CTRL-Shift-[key], or CTRL-ALT-Shift-[key] would get a more universal acceptance.
What would be really helpful is the ability to access the app via a Macro to insert verses directly into a document. As a WordPerfect user I've used Dale Durnel's WP macros with Libronix for years and found them to be a very helpful and quick way to insert the verse, strip away all the extraneous code (font & size changes, line height changes, etc.) that comes in, and leave the basic formatting in place.
Bob Pritchett said:Yes. This is especially helpful in inserting extended verse lists into personal study documents.
Bob Pritchett said:Are you using them in older versions of Word, or are they still working well in the latest, etc.?
(I don't use Word, so I don't have an opinion on this.)
Thanks for your flexibility in considering our desires for the way we'd like Logos4 to work they way we've gotten used to working.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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I use this feature constantly, and it hasn't been a problem for me at all. I would say it's improved over v.3, except for the multiple-verses thing which I don't use. Here's what I did: Dragged the Copy Bible Verses icon to my toolbar. I then save it into my major Layouts, so that it always shows on the right side of the screen. It takes up very little real estate, and can be a tab combined with other resources. As a matter of fact, I like the way we can customize the formatting on verses much more easily. I am a writer, and I need one format for books, and another for a daily web devotional that I write. I can quickly select either. The only problem I had was that I got a series of L4 crashes yesterday while trying to edit one of the formats.
I really don't think CBV in the system tray is necessary.
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