I use a Sony reader that likes the open epub format as well as anything in pdf. Will the new Vyrso books be in epub or only some dedicated format that can be read on an apple device? Anyone really know?
Vyrso books have the same proprietary file format like books sold specifically for Logos - it's just the marketing that's different, since Vyrso is for trade books only.
[Edit:] That means you will be able to read Vyrso books with the Vyrso apps on iPhone/iPad, the Android app that's under development right now and in Logos 4 on PC/Mac, but not on a Sony reader, Kindle reader etc.
What a waste of time and energy
Why?
iIs a waste of time because it is so limited and not available in epub which is quickly becoming the industry standard for ebook readers. it's the only format I purchase books in - including Christian books.
Exactly the point. I can already open and read any of my current Logos books on my desktop and/or laptop but the only way I can read them in my ebook reader is an extremely circuitous conversion that may or may not be 100% in accord with copyright laws. If Logos is only going to sell books through Vyrso that can be read inside the Logos software, why bother. A number of the books I saw on their web page are already available in epub from other vendors. I'll buy from them!
I LOVE my Logos system. It does stuff for me in Bible study that nothing else can begin to approach. I am a Logos apostle trying to covert others to using their system.
This Vyrso bookstore just doesn't make sense. If I had an IPad, or IPhone, etc. I could buy the epub version of these books and read them on that device without downloading the Logos reader and paying more for the Logos version. Here's a screen capture from another retailer listing several Beth Moore books available in epub instead of just the one volume in Logos' dedicated format. Like I said it seems like a waste of time and energy.
David -
Are you telling me that if you purchase a NOOK book, you can read it through the Kindle reader? Are you telling me that if you by a KINDLE book, you can read it through iBooks on the iPad? It is my understanding that the answer to all of these questions is no. Do they not each have their own proprietary formats?
Either way, the reason I am excited about Vyrso is because there are many "trade" books that I would want in Logos.
Like I said it seems like a waste of time and energy.
...not (waste) for me. I see quite big potential in Vyrso.
Amazon has established their proprietary format for the Kindle (which is one reason I don't have one) but virtually all the other readers (including the IPad) will read the open epub format. There is even a way to convert epubs so Kindle will read them. (DRMs are a whole different issue) Virtually anything that's available from Amazon for Kindle is also available in epub from one or more of the dozens of online epub bookstores.
Glad you are excited to get trade books in Logos. I prefer to read books like that in my ereader.
Are you telling me that if you by a KINDLE book, you can read it through iBooks on the iPad?
this is actually a yes with the amazon kindle app for the iPad/Touch/Phone
I don't mean to be argumentative, but "the iPad" doesn't read ANY books - only the apps can. Is there a quick and easy way to get these books you are talking about into 1) iBooks 2) Kindle reader 3) Nook Reader? These three apps download books directly from 1) Apple 2) Amazon and 3) Barnes & Noble. As far as I know, they are not interchangeable. I do know that there are other readers, but these are the "big three."
By the way, the "trade books" that I want in Logos would be books by authors like Andy Stanley; John Maxwell; Francis Chan; Craig Groeshell; David Platt; Dave Ramsey, etc. These books have value in planning sermon series, etc. As far as I am concerned, the novels can be Left Behind... [:)]
Actually, since all these apps are free on the Ipad, that's not really an issue. The books are still cheaper than what I've seen on Vyrso, and right now you can highlight and make notes, too! I'm with one of the previous posters--I don't see any reason for me to use Vyrso.
Are you telling me that if you by a KINDLE book, you can read it through iBooks on the iPad? this is actually a yes with the amazon kindle app for the iPad/Touch/Phone
Paul -
I think you misunderstand. iBooks is an Apple made/developed app which is separate from the Kindle app. I do not think that Kindle books can be read on the iBooks app, but as you mentioned, you can read them on the Kindle app for iPad.
It is my understanding that Kindle books can only be read on Kindle devices OR Kindle apps. Likewise for Nook Books & Apple's own iBooks.
David,
somehow I don't get your argument. You claim in this thread that ePub is THE format for ebooks - then imho it would be waste of energies if Logos tried to sell ePub formatted books, since this is already there. Why would anyone buy an ePub-book from Logos and read it on any ePub reader, if there are several booksellers in the market that sell these? I don't see any incentives for Logos, the publishers or any customers to do this.
On the other hand, there seem to be users that like to have trade books in Logos format (with all the search etc capabilites of Logos desktop) and to have trade books as well as Logos resources on a mobile reader application, allowing for some minimal functionality such as bible-reference pop-ups. This also has the potential to market Logos to other customers that didn't know of its existence - looks like a much more promising, mutually benefitting business case for me. If you want to buy the cheapest you can get no matter of format, you may end up at another place than Logos - but that's no news.
Mick
As far as I am concerned, the novels can be Left Behind...
You speak for me to [Y]
But if you buy Beth Moore's books in the Logos/Vyrso format it will be index by the Logos software/system and you can search on any topic over all her books. For me the big advantage of Vyrso is this indexing and searching capability.
[Y]
Kindle has its own format... Nook, Sony, Kobo, Google, & Public Libraries all use the same format.
Get a nook color from Barnes and Noble and then root (unlock) it. you will then be able to download the Vyrso app (IF IT EVER COMES OUT FOR ANDROID).
For me the single biggest benefit of Logos ebooks via Vyrso is the ability to hover over Biblical references. No other ereader or format does that.
Secondly, I can have a split screen with my Bible in any version...and have it link with verses in the book I'm reading. No other ereader or format does that.
Thirdly, I can search the book (other ereaders can do that). But I can search the book by verse references (i.e. <1 John 3:1>). No other ereader or format does that.
Fourthly, it is saved to the same place as the rest of my Christian digital library, on my computer, to be searchable by a very powerful search engine on PC or mobile device. No other ereader or format does that.
Fifthly, I can access the full text of my book not only from a dedicated app on my iOS device or program on my computer, but also from the web. No other ereader or format does that.
The benefits will only increase when we get syncing notes and highlights on mobile devices.
For me the single biggest benefit of Logos ebooks via Vyrso is the ability to hover over Biblical references. No other ereader or format does that. The benefits will only increase when we get syncing notes and highlights on mobile devices.
Amen!
THANK YOU LOGOS FOR ADDING VYROS!.
I have been putting off buying an ebook reader for a long time... with dyslexia, I need books read to me. So, my only option was kindle... but I was putting this off because you can't copy & paste quotations into MS Word for typing papers. (because of this, I knew that any book I were to buy for kindle, I would want to re-buy from logos if it became available... the kindle copy for reading, and the logos copy for research & writing.) Vyros seems to be the perfect solution!
I do not normally reade fiction at all, but many academic programs and fellowship-study groups read [or require] books written at the popular level... books that I have found available in epub & kindle, but most [or many] of which are not availble for logos. I'm hoping vyros will help to fill this gap (agian, I consider this a gap due to the reason's listed above).
As for the e-ink screen, I can wait for tablets with comparably readable screens to be released. (Enduring the need to 'read away from direct sunlight' for a while is, for me, better than re-purchasing books and a reading device.)
In saying this, of course I'm assuming that "text-2-speech" will be enabled for vyros books just like it is for other logos books.
Sorry Travis-This feature is not supported (at least in the two books I purchased).
You mean you are not able to use "Read aloud" function in Logos on those books?
The "read aloud" function is not available in the two Vyrso resources I purchased. I assume this is true for all of them.
Thank you for your quick answer. Hmm.. I hope it will come later. It is function I would like to see coming even to iPhone/iPad Logos or Vyrso.
It is also limited in B&N's "NOOK study" app and on Kindle. I know first hand ( I work for B&N) that this is a publisher decision. Some books will be available and some are not. Basically if the publisher makes an audio book or thinks they may want to preserve the right to make one they will not allow this feature on that title.
Vyrso is exactly what I've been asking for for years. In my household we have kindles, laptops, iphones, playstations, and maybe even a few more that I'm not even aware of yet. But, I've hesitated each time I've ordered a contemporary author on the kindle or ibooks wondering when Logos might have the title available. I probably read one book per week on average, and having the titles under one umbrella for searches, word studies, and hyper-linking are all important features for me.
Last month I made the mistake of ordering the kindle version of a commentary because it was 10 dollars cheaper than the Logos version. Halfway through the class I was taking, I realized that all of the Bible quotations, other books that were quoted, and even links within the book to the appendix were not dynamic in the kindle version, but were in the Logos version. So I also downloaded the Logos version mid-semester and have not regretted it.
I do a lot of writing, so it's important for me to be able to cut and paste quotations including their citations directly from Logos into Word. Another great feature is the ability to print from Logos. I can't tell you how great it is to read David Jeremiah's latest book IN the hot tub. (without worry of my devices getting wet)
You may be able to save a few bucks for the kindle or ibooks version, but the additional coding to make the books smart under Logos is well worth the additional price.
I may still on rare occasion, buy a book for kindle or ibooks when not available on Vyrso, but if it's something that I'm going to reference in the future, I'll get it on Logos. I've been using Logos since before amazon was even founded.
Now tell me, when can we get more Rick Warren books? How 'bout Julie Carobini's novels? Ted Dekker? Herodotus? Crowder?
I do a lot of writing, so it's important for me to be able to cut and paste quotations including their citations directly from Logos into Word. Another great feature is the ability to print from Logos. I can't tell you how great it is to read David Jeremiah's latest book IN the hot tub. (without worry of my devices getting wet) You may be able to save a few bucks for the kindle or ibooks version, but the additional coding to make the books smart under Logos is well worth the additional price.
Gary, I can more than agree with you. [Y]
For me the single most important advantage of Logos/Vyrso platform (not mentioned in the previous list) is the ability of taking clippings and printing (saving) of needed quotes from the boos I study. I just found in Kindle you can save your highlights but in very complicated way (not directly). Coming back to my Logos study and just taking a number of clippings, I started to be even more thankful for Logos. I hope Vyrso will keep this feature (or at least Vyrso books opened in Logos).
I don't mean to be argumentative, but "the iPad" doesn't read ANY books - only the apps can. Is there a quick and easy way to get these books you are talking about into 1) iBooks 2) Kindle reader 3) Nook Reader? These three apps download books directly from 1) Apple 2) Amazon and 3) Barnes & Noble. As far as I know, they are not interchangeable.
It is not hard to remove the DRM and use the book in the reader of your choice. The ethical question is about legality. Is it illegal to remove a Kindle DRM and read it in Nook for your own personal use? That is not a simple question. Some court decisions on music would imply that you can remove DRM legally for your own use. Of course, you cannot legally share such files. At any rate, it happens thousands of times a day, and the software to do it is free.
In addition there are many ebook sellers that sell books without DRM. All the readers will read ePubs without DRM. Just as more digital music sellers sell DRM free music, the same trend will probably happen with books.
All the readers will read ePubs without DRM.
Michael -
Do you mean the physical kindle reader will read ePubs? I have the kindle reader for Mac and as far as I can tell there is no (supported) way to import any books other than the ones you purchase from Amazon, which are a proprietary ePub format.
PS - congrats on the Bulldogs win! [:)]
