Is there a way to search the Early Church Fathers for Biblical Quotes
I am trying to find when the Early Church Fathers quoted from both the OT and NT books. Is there a way to search for this?
Thanks
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I didn't say this publicly on the Logos forums but if you enter eCatena into Google miracles might happen. Oops, I take that back. at the moment it only creates NT miracles.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks - this really helps.
By the way - which is correct: "Early Church Fathers" or "early church fathers"?
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Ronald Quick said:By the way - which is correct: "Early Church Fathers" or "early church fathers"?
I honest don't know - I tend to use capitals when speaking of the writings and small letters when speaking of the people - but I can't claim to even being consistent on that.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Ronald Quick said:
I am trying to find when the Early Church Fathers quoted from both the OT and NT books. Is there a way to search for this?
You can search the entire series for particular Bible references using Basic Search. Select "Search In" "Early Church Fathers (Protestant Edition)" (or "Catholic Edition" depending on what you own) and enter the Bible reference.
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I just tried a Mt 1:1 search on L4 for Mac and it doesn't allow it for the ECF. Is this a PC only feature?
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Never-mind, it works. As you type in the reference in the search dialogue box, a drop down box lists possible words. This has to be closed in order for the search to happen. Typing "Mt 1:1" and then hitting "enter" does not work but typing "Mt 1:1" and then clicking outside the drop down box to close it, then hitting "enter" works.
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Lankford Oxendine said:
I just tried a Mt 1:1 search on L4 for Mac and it doesn't allow it for the ECF. Is this a PC only feature?
try <Matt 1:1> I don't know the mac but its worth a try
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Try <bible = Matt. 1:1> and search on The Early Church Fathers or <bible ~ Matt. 1:1> and search on The Early Church Fathers. The difference between the "=" and the "~" is that the "=" will give you exact quotes, (where Matt. 1:1 is cited exactly), however "~" will give you approximate citations (where Matt:1:1-12 might be cited). One gives you exact, the other gives you a verse range.
Michael
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MJ. Smith said:
I didn't say this publicly on the Logos forums but if you enter eCatena into Google miracles might happen. Oops, I take that back. at the moment it only creates NT miracles.
Peace and Blessing, MJ!
You are an amazing woman..........................
Thank you for that reference. I don't know how you find such gems... *smile*
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Can someone explain the difference between a "Matt 1:1" search vs. a <Bible = Matt 1:1> search? Thanks!
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Ronald Quick said:
I am trying to find when the Early Church Fathers quoted from both the OT and NT books. Is there a way to search for this?
Thanks
I'm not quite sure that I understand your question. I could understand this as meaning that you want to know when a Church Father quoted from the OT and referenced it to a NT passage, but I'll simply take it as meaning that you want to be able to find when a Church Father quoted any biblical passage. There may be a way to do this in L4, but for finding citations I still prefer L3. If you open L3 and the reference browser <ctrl-r>, select the book or collection you wish to search, choose type "bible" and enter "Genesis-Revelation" in the "Find" box then specify how narrowly you want to include passages, you will get all sorts of links. I'm still not sure that the "Cited by" feature in L4 is of much use.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Lankford Oxendine said:
- "Matt 1:1" with quotes will find that exact text string in the resources you are searching. It won't find "Matthew 1:1". It is not a reference search
- Matt 1:1 without quotes will be parsed as a reference. It is the same as <Matt 1:1> and <~ Matt 1:1> and <Bible ~ Matt 1:1> (all are equivalent). These will match any Bible reference in the text that intersects with Matthew 1:1 (i.e., Matt 1:1-10 will match). The "angle brackets" (< >) indicate a reference. The tilde (~) is the intersection operator.
- <Bible = Matt 1:1> on the other hand is an exact match, and only matches Bible references to Matthew 1:1 explicitly. But it doesn't matter how they are specified (Mt 1:1, Mat 1:1, Matthew 1:1 will all match, but Matt 1:1-10 will not match).). The equals sign (=) is the exact match operator.
See here for more help: http://wiki.logos.com/Detailed_Search_Help#Searching_for_Bible_Verses_and_other_References
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Got it. Thanks Todd!
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George Somsel said:
I'll simply take it as meaning that you want to be able to find when a Church Father quoted any biblical passage.
That's exactly what I am trying to do and it looks like reference browser in L3 does exactly that.
Thanks!
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Would this not do what you were asking... [I]
- Make a collection matching: title:Nicene, title:"Apostolic Fathers", title:Pseudepigrapha and remove any extraneous entries [*]
- Use the following search: <bible intersect Gen-Rev> [O]
- Go get a cup of <insert your favorite beverage> [C]
- Marvel at the copious references made by the Fathers [:O]
- Then have fun... [6]
Seriously though...
There has got to be a better way to make the results of these kinds of broad searches usable. There are times when a very broad search is needed. But, right now we can only use Ranked, Logos only knows what this means, By Title of resource, and By Count of references in a resource. Maybe Logos should look into some of the REALLY interesting data visualization mechanisms that are being pioneered.
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James W Bennett said:
Use the following search: <bible intersect Gen-Rev>
Lankford,
You may or may not have gotten this from the chart on the Detailed Search Help wiki page. Note that James used a command that didn't get covered by Todd above. One limitation of the intersect search (~) is that it will miss verse ranges that span chapters. So <Matt. 1:11> would not return a reference of Matthew 1-3. Logos does it this way because it's faster and typically results in more desirable results. Using the word intersect as the operator gives a full intersect instead of a limited intersect that ~ provides.
So, ~ searches will be faster while "intersect" searches will be more exhaustive. Which one you use depends on what you want to do.
Prov. 15:23
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James W Bennett said:
Make a collection matching: title:Nicene, title:"Apostolic Fathers", title:Pseudepigrapha and remove any extraneous entries
Observation: my "Fathers: Early Church" collection uses rule title:(Early,Fathers)
Tool => Cited By can search all collections: have collapsed my collections so can open Cited By, then choose which collection(s) to search. If click "More >>" for a collection, a basic search panel is opened.
James W Bennett said:Use the following search: <bible intersect Gen-Rev>
Go get a cup of <insert your favorite beverage>
Modified search took a few minutes:
James W Bennett said:Marvel at the copious references made by the Fathers
Then have fun...
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Good to know. Thanks Kevin!
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Tool => Cited By can search all collections: have collapsed my collections so can open Cited By, then choose which collection(s) to search. If click "More >>" for a collection, a basic search panel is opened.
I tend to use searches rather than the Cited By tool, for no particular reason other than preference. But I decided to do some testing this morning. I am using just the Ante-Nicene 10 volume collection to help speed up the testing and to give a large enough data set to be useful.
Search <bible intersect Gen-Rev> 27,794 results in 6,449 articles in 9 resources Search <bible ~ Gen-Rev> 27,794 results in 6,449 articles in 9 resources Cited By Genesis-Revelation 6382 Both forms of intersection search worked identically (pretty much down to the amount of time each took). It also appears that the Cited By tool references articles, collapsing each into a separate entry. This is cool and gives another way to "group" your search data to help gain control over expansive searches such as this. But the number of articles was different than an intersection search. Selecting the "more" option at the bottom of the Cited By tool opened a search window with the following results:
Search <Genesis-Revelation> 27,794 results in 6,449 articles in 9 resources Which was identical to the results from the two intersection search. So what was the search criteria used in the original Cited By search? Any ideas? Any Logos employees want to enlighten us?
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Is there a way to make a search for the Early Church Fathers for <bible = john 1:18> and also narrow this down to the phrase "only-begotten" within John 1:18? Please advise.
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Aaron Copeland said:
Is there a way to make a search for the Early Church Fathers for <bible = john 1:18> and also narrow this down to the phrase "only-begotten" within John 1:18? Please advise.
Make a collection of the Church Fathers then do a basic search of that collection. If your search term is <John 1.18> you will get all of the occurances in the collection.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Make a collection of the Church Fathers then do a basic search of that collection.
There's no need to do a collection; the ECF has a series tag.
Of course, if you want to include other Patristic texts, outside of the ECF, then you need a collection.
And if you want to search for "only-begotten", don't forget there are synonyms.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Aaron Copeland said:
Is there a way to make a search for the Early Church Fathers for <bible = john 1:18> and also narrow this down to the phrase "only-begotten" within John 1:18? Please advise.
Welcome [:D]
Wonder about searching for: <bible = john 1:18> WITHIN 14 WORDS "only-begotten"
Search for: <bible = john 1:18> WITHIN 14 WORDS only finds few more results:
Keep Smiling [:)]
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