I own Logos 4 for the PC. My wife has an iBook. Do I need to pay of a second Logos license for the Mac?
No you do not. Logos has graciously stated that for most cases husbands and wives can share a single license. Your license gives you the ability to access all your resources on any device PC, Mac, or mobile. Just download the mac version of Logos4 (http://www.logos.com/mac/support/install) and enter your username and password and everything will sync right up.
Be aware that all of your notes, highlights, and preferences will be shared. If you do not want to share everything and have everything sync between your two computers you will have to purchase a separate license.
Here is what Bob has said about sharing resources:
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Arrgghhh! I hate this topic. :-)
We have lots of heated discussions about this internally. Every other week we get the desperate-to-be-legal-and-ethical user who calls to confirm that they can install the software on their desktop and notebook computer. The other weeks we hear about the every-loophole-finding user who wants to parse our latest statement on the EULA to let them install the software on every machine they see, and to charge people for the service.
I am not going to answer all your questions. Ever. I don't want to. I don't want a clean-cut policy, because it just annoys the honest user who has a legitimate situation while doing nothing to stop the person who justifies-to-themselves whatever behavior they want.
So what follow is still not "the final answer." It's a guide, similar to what I tell our CS people. (Who all wish I wouldn't give them discretion, but would instead make an easy-to-refer-to policy. :-) )
We license the software to one user.
If you are one user with 10 computers, because you run a Mac, Windows, notebook, netbook, desktop, church, home, and three flavors of Linux, I don't care. You're just one user, albeit with too many computers.
(People call up and say "how many computers can I put it on?" We don't care, if they're all YOUR computers. When we say "3", as we used to, for convenience, we'd get people who called with lengthy and unnecessary explanations for why they owned four computers. We'd also get people who would install it on the Pastor, Youth Pastor, and Sunday School Teacher's computers. And we'd say that was wrong, and they'd say "You said three computers for one owner, and the church is the owner, so it's legal to put it on three computers used by people who work at the church." I say, that's abusing the license.)
What about my spouse? What about my child?
Well, now it depends. Are you and your spouse "one user"? I know lots of people who have a single email address like JoeAndMary@somemail.com. They have one computer, one email address, one copy of Windows, (one car? one cell phone?) etc. To me, they're "one user." Same thing when little Joey uses the family computer.
But if we extend the license to "officially" allow family use, we get (actual) scenarios like: Joe and Mary are both ordained ministers who attend and preach at different churches on Sunday morning. Each has an office, their own computer, their own salary and budget, and even their own church secretary. This, to me, doesn't feel like "one user". This feels like two users.
We also get Pastor Joe who has a 22 year old son Joe, Jr. in seminary, or a 35 year old son who is a pastor across the country. We've had people tell us they don't need multiple licenses, because they're family members. But Pastor Joe and grown-up Joe, Jr. seem like two users to me.
What if the user is a church, not a person?
It's great if the church wants to buy the software so the pastor doesn't have to buy it with their own funds. But that doesn't mean everyone who works at or attends the church is a legal user of the software (as some have tried to argue). It's still for "one person user"; thay can be Pastor Joe, and if Pastor Joe leaves, you can have him uninstall it and let new Pastor Mark use it instead. But we don't do site or organization licenses -- we license to a (human) user, even if an institution is the purchaser.
In the future, our software will use more web resources. You will be able to log into these resources -- and your own content -- at Logos.com using an email address and password. Our interaction will be with this "one user" who logs in, and who has one username, one email address, one mailing address, one name, one credit card, and one password. One set of note files, prayer lists, and reading plans. "One user."
I hope this helps. For the record, this email is not a replacement of the EULA or a new policy. It's just how I think about it, and how I encourage our staff to think about it.
-- Bob
You will find the original comment in this thread:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/341.aspx?PageIndex=2
Observation: Logos software is free for all platforms, but resource licenses are not. If often using Logos at same time on 2 (or more) computers, having separate Logos Libraries helps avoid synchronization surprises. Some couples share one Logos Library while other couples do not (depends on usage and couple's personality). If sharing a Logos library, agreement and cooperation are needed for Logos 4 customizations: clippings, collections, favorites, guides, highlighting, home page, layouts, notes, passage lists, prayer lists, reading plans, resource priorities, shortcuts, sentence diagrams, syntax search, visual filters, ...
Personally use beta Logos 4 on Mac and PC while my wife uses stable Logos 4 Mac. Thankful for Logos 4 Mac beta installation tip so my wife and I can share one 27" iMac by using separate Mac user accounts; stable version installed in Applications folder while beta is installed in my Documents. My wife and I have separate Logos libraries (same base package with different additional purchases).
Thankful can use my Logos library on a variety of electronic devices (have learned to use Logos 4 on one computer at a time due to some sync surprises). Thankful for Logos license change in 2009: pay once for resource licenses to use with free Logos software.
Keep Smiling [:)]
What no one has mentioned here are the minimum system requirements for Logos 4 Mac: http://www.logos.com/support/techfaq
An iBook is not capable of running Logos 4 as it has a PowerPC processor (G3 or G4). Definitely do not purchase another license in that case! Logos for Mac 1.2.2 will run, though, although it lacks many of the features of Logos 4.
Great catch Ryan! I wonder if that was a typo on Rich's part. For his wife's sake, I hope so! [:D]
One license to serve them all and in the program hold them. [;)] Apologies to Tolkien.
One license to serve them all and in the program hold them. Apologies to Tolkien.
One license to serve them all and in the program hold them. Apologies to Tolkien.Why do I all of a sudden see you huddled over a greek manuscript saying: "My precioussss."
By Gollum, Wisconsin, that was a good one. I'm still chuck'ling. [:D]
Glad to hear it.[H]
Ryan,
I meant Imac. Yikes... had an iBook sometime ago; not sure what caused that synapse to fire.
Rich -
Were you able to get it installed on the iBoo..er.. iMac?[:)] As long as you use the same account info, your resources should download automatically.
Haven't tried yet. Still wondering if it's the correct thing to do.
Bob Pritchett (the founder of Logos) has said that Logos is tied to "one user" rather than "one computer." However, he has further clarified that "one user" can include a husband and wife. This gets a little tricky if both spouses are in full time vocational ministry, especially if they work at two different churches.
You haven't explained much of your situation, but do you have reason to believe that it would not be "the correct thing to do?"
If you are interested in reading Bob's comments, CLICK HERE. [:)]
Thanks. We have the two machines. I use the PC exclusively and we both use the Mac, although my wife uses it much more than I do.
I use the PC exclusively and we both use the Mac, although my wife uses it much more than I do.
As I said, you should feel free to install it on both computers. Your wife should feel free to use it as well, unless you feel there is a reason she should not (please see Bob's comments for further clarification.) I have it installed on two computers, and when I find a church (I just graduated from seminary), I will install it on a third (home, office, laptop)!
My wife and I share an iMac with separate Logos libraries (same base package with different additional purchases). Personally use a 17" Dell laptop when my wife is using 27" iMac (often using Logos 4 at same time so separate libraries avoids sync surprises plus we have different customizations). My wife prefers stable Logos 4 Mac while beta Logos 4 versions are my preference (plus have stable versions installed on Mac and PC for comparison). My wife and I also have separate email accounts.
Depends on situation and couple whether sharing one Logos library is appropriate; can pray for peaceful Logos usage and purchases. Also, December is approaching so saving money for sale items may be prudent.
My wife and I share an iMac with separate Logos libraries (same base package with different additional purchases).
How does that work? Don't all the "additional purchases" get downloaded together? How can you have a separate Library with the same base package?
My wife and I share an iMac with separate Logos libraries (same base package with different additional purchases). How does that work? Don't all the "additional purchases" get downloaded together? How can you have a separate Library with the same base package?
I believe he means that they each purchased a copy of the same base package.
My wife and I share an iMac with separate Logos libraries (same base package with different additional purchases). How does that work? Don't all the "additional purchases" get downloaded together? How can you have a separate Library with the same base package? I believe he means that they each purchased a copy of the same base package.
With separate Logos.com accounts (different email addresses), order histories shows library upgrades to Scholar's Platinum (albeit purchased at different times). Also order histories have different additional purchases: e.g. my wife's history has NAS Electronic Bible Library for Amplified Bible while my history has Greek New Testament Discourse Bundle (7 vols.) since I can read part of Greek New Testament while other parts are still Greek to me. Logos sales impact our checkbook more when we both purchase: e.g. The Essential IVP Reference Collection Version 3 My Logos library has several hundred more resources than my wife's. Hindsight 20/20: for my wife's earlier base package upgrade, should have purchased Scholar's Gold or Platinum instead of Scholar's Silver because United Bible Society (UBS) handbooks included in Scholar's Gold and above offer cross cultural insights for Bible translation of what's important in a verse without needing original language translation skills: wiki Logos Resource Reviews => UBS New Testament Handbook Series and UBS Old Testament Handbook Series
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