Love the New Proactive Forum Moderation
Happened across one of those divisive, opinionated, off topic posts, and was trying very hard to not point out the glaring errors in the assumptions made by the author.
And just when I was almost about to start the feeding process (against my better judgment), the post disappeared.
Thank-You 
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Very grateful for BOTH:
- Bob Pritchett's patience with forum posters AND
- Bob' s decisive action dealing with extremes.
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Super Tramp said:
Very grateful for BOTH:
- Bob Pritchett's patience with forum posters AND
- Bob' s decisive action dealing with extremes.
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Super Tramp said:
Very grateful for BOTH:
- Bob Pritchett's patience with forum posters AND
- Bob' s decisive action dealing with extremes.
Agreed, especially the latter, considering some of the adversarial OP's and threads begun recently (I take it that's what is being referred to). I had gotten to the point I didn't care to check out the forum.
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so I need to complain now 'cos posts are being deleted too fast [:P]
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Those particular posts couldn't be deleted fast enough for me
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Paul Golder said:
Happened across one of those divisive, opinionated, off topic posts, and was trying very hard to not point out the glaring errors in the assumptions made by the author.
And just when I was almost about to start the feeding process (against my better judgment), the post disappeared.
I have been away from the forum for a bit and this is most welcome news. Is there a policy explanation by Logos or did they just begin taking action?
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Scott S said:
I have been away from the forum for a bit and this is most welcome news. Is there a policy explanation by Logos or did they just begin taking action?
No new policy or position. This was part of an overall response to a particular incident and came from the top.
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Stephen Smith said:Scott S said:
I have been away from the forum for a bit and this is most welcome news. Is there a policy explanation by Logos or did they just begin taking action?
No new policy or position. This was part of an overall response to a particular incident and came from the top.
Well, even if it is only for the "particular" incident, I'm still thankful [Y]
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Stephen Smith said:
No new policy or position. This was part of an overall response to a particular incident and came from the top.
Stephen, please pass our thanks on to those who made the decision [Y]
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Rick said:Stephen Smith said:
No new policy or position. This was part of an overall response to a particular incident and came from the top.
Stephen, please pass our thanks on to those who made the decision
Indeed. It's great not having to wade past uncivil threads.
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Thanks, Stephen!!! I appreciate your posts.
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Stephen Smith said:
No new policy or position. This was part of an overall response to a particular incident and came from the top.
Thank you very much.
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Thank you, Stephen!
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truly many thanks, stephen, to all who may have been involved. Sometimes the overall health of the body requires decisive action. Well done.
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It is amazing how people flock together like little sheep!
I for one... Do not appreciate censorship! I say let the people speak their mind.
However, I do believe in some type of order. But, c'mon folks just because ONE forum member
gets out of line, get thicker skin, don't feed the animal!
What you do not feed, will die...
I say people speak up, share your minds with others.
Sometimes people need to hear things we/they may not like, this can make us better.
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MJD,
Anyone who enters a forum (another's property) has to abide by the rules of that forum. Logos has allowed a great latitude of discourse on the forum. A constant and flagrant violator has to be dealt with.
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MJD said:
Sometimes people need to hear things we/they may not like, this can make us better.
MJD said:I for one... Do not appreciate censorship! I say let the people speak their mind.
Generally, it is Bob's position to allow the forums to go uncensored. In this case, however, there were racist, sexist and other derogatory comments that were way over the top. The forums need to be a comfortable place for all people to come and learn how to use Logos software. I feel that comments that cross that line must be censored. If Bob has a default position, however, it is to allow freedom of speech.
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MJD said:
I for one... Do not appreciate censorship! I say let the people speak their mind.
I agree. Thank you, Bob, for speaking your mind via the delete button :-)
MJD said:Sometimes people need to hear things we/they may not like, this can make us better.
Perhaps a true statement, but that does not mean people always need to hear things they may not like. It was abundantly clear that the deleted user had no interest in adding anything constructive to the conversation. This had nothing to do with censorship. It had to do with common sense.
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Halo Hound said:
Perhaps a true statement, but that does not mean people always need to hear things they may not like. It was abundantly clear that the deleted user had no interest in adding anything constructive to the conversation. This had nothing to do with censorship. It had to do with common sense.
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"But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
Titus 3:9–11"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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alabama24 said:
however, there were racist, sexist and other derogatory comments that were way over the top.
I was unaware any post went to that level. But, if some one is using racial epithets/names and vulgar words, I would agree that needs to be redacted. I also don't want all out apostasy to take place on forum either. If the post is that over the top, then yes we need to bring order to the forum. There is a fine line when it comes to censorship. Lastly, I understand who owns the forum (I don't know why this is constantly repeated) I get that.
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MJD said:
There is a fine line when it comes to censorship. Lastly, I understand
who owns the forum (I don't know why this is constantly repeated) I get
that.It get repeated because so many come here thinking that it is a public space to air their opinions. It isn't.
It is a private space that has invited the public in. "Censorship" isn't a bad word in private discourse. You have the right to control what goes on in your living room. Logos has a generally liberal attitude towards what happens in their living room, but that doesn't mean they can't decide to intervene at will.
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Todd Phillips said:MJD said:
There is a fine line when it comes to censorship. Lastly, I understand
who owns the forum (I don't know why this is constantly repeated) I get
that.It get repeated because so many come here thinking that it is a public space to air their opinions. It isn't.
It is a private space that has invited the public in. "Censorship" isn't a bad word in private discourse. You have the right to control what goes on in your living room. Logos has a generally liberal attitude towards what happens in their living room, but that doesn't mean they can't decide to intervene at will.
The forum is not the same as private living room. This has been made public by virtue of it being broadcast over the internet, and opened up to all.
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I've always tried to look at it this way (at least this seems the most logical to me):
- These forums, while for the most part may reflect Christian beliefs, are in no way intended to be a group of Christians discussing the Bible or those beliefs.
- Instead these forums can best be defined as a group of software users discussing the software they use.
Hence the owner's request to keep all other discussions off of these forums.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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MJD said:
The forum is not the same as private living room. This has been made public by virtue of it being broadcast over the internet, and opened up to all.
But even so we have been requested to behave as though we were sitting in a living room together!
Guideline 3 from http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx
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MJD said:
The forum is not the same as private living room. This has been made public by virtue of it being broadcast over the internet, and opened up to all
I completely disagree. It is not broadcast--you have to come to it. (But even if it was, that doesn't make it public. A radio station is still a private entity and can decide what is broadcast). It is privately owned. It occurs on Logos' private property--their servers. There are no freedom of speech protections on a private forum. Just because the public is invited in does not make it public. If I threw a party at my house and invited the town, I still have the right to throw out any boorish guest who decides to insult me or my guests.
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Todd Phillips said:MJD said:
The forum is not the same as private living room. This has been made public by virtue of it being broadcast over the internet, and opened up to all
I completely disagree. It is not broadcast--you have to come to it. (But even if it was, that doesn't make it public. A radio station is still a private entity and can decide what is broadcast). It is privately owned. It occurs on Logos' private property--their servers. There are no freedom of speech protections on a private forum. Just because the public is invited in does not make it public. If I threw a party at my house and invited the town, I still have the right to throw out any boorish guest who decides to insult me or my guests.
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Todd Phillips said:MJD said:
The forum is not the same as private living room. This has been made public by virtue of it being broadcast over the internet, and opened up to all
I completely disagree. It is not broadcast--you have to come to it. (But even if it was, that doesn't make it public. A radio station is still a private entity and can decide what is broadcast). It is privately owned. It occurs on Logos' private property--their servers. There are no freedom of speech protections on a private forum. Just because the public is invited in does not make it public. If I threw a party at my house and invited the town, I still have the right to throw out any boorish guest who decides to insult me or my guests.
Todd,
I'm sorry but your analogy is misguided... I owned private retail stores... guess what the property was mine. But, the City, County, State and Federal Government made the rules that applied to my private space, by virtue they were opened to the public.
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MJD said:
I'm sorry but your analogy is misguided... I owned private retail stores... guess what the property was mine. But, the City, County, State and Federal Government made the rules that applied to my private space, by virtue they were opened to the public.
True. Just as the government places certain restrictions on communities there are those who have determined certain rules for the internet (e.g. domain protocol, etc.) However within those set of rules websites can further restrict users just as you, as an owner of a private retail store, can set standards that further restrict users within that government defined set of restrictions. for instances the government may not have a law that says you must wear shoes and shirt, but as a store owner you can set that law.
Same exact thing is happening here. In order for Logos to recognize you as a legit poster you must abide by certain rules. If you don't, Logos has the right to no longer recognize you as a legit poster.
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MJD said:
I'm sorry but your analogy is misguided... I owned private retail stores... guess what the property was mine. But, the City, County, State and Federal Government made the rules that applied to my private space, by virtue they were opened to the public.
Yes, but it was still your private space. Those kind of laws are contested all the time, and as far as I know, they do not apply to electronic communications. Also, the forums are not the "place of business"--you don't have to be a customer to take part in the forums, and you don't have to take part in the forums to purchase from Logos. Hence the living room analogy.
But still, in your private store, you still had some semblance of control over what went on in the store, no? If someone was telling everyone who entered the store they were fat and ugly, you'd kick them out, right?
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Halo Hound said:
Same exact thing is happening here. In order for Logos to recognize you as a legit poster you must abide by certain rules. If you don't, Logos has the right to no longer recognize you as a legit poster.
Simple enough. [:)]
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Graham Criddle said:MJD said:
The forum is not the same as private living room. This has been made public by virtue of it being broadcast over the internet, and opened up to all.
But even so we have been requested to behave as though we were sitting in a living room together!
Guideline 3 from http://community.logos.com/forums/t/10072.aspx
Graham
I understand, and respect the rules. I don't have a problem with rules. I have a problem, with people that like to continually point out rules; and don't even follow the rules them themselves.
Don't get this wrong, I have heavily invested into Logos software and I appreciate this forum. It is the people that make this forum possible, because with out the help of people, this would fail miserably.
I am on "Team Jesus", and I believe most of my fellow forum users are on the same team. Let's bring glory to God, and not ourselves.
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Bill Moore said:Super Tramp said:
Very grateful for BOTH:
- Bob Pritchett's patience with forum posters AND
- Bob' s decisive action dealing with extremes.
Agreed, especially the latter, considering some of the adversarial OP's and threads begun recently (I take it that's what is being referred to). I had gotten to the point I didn't care to check out the forum.
Amen on all counts... I had started reporting each offensive post as spam. [:O]
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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MJD said:
I am on "Team Jesus", and I believe most of my fellow forum users are on the same team. Let's bring glory to God, and not ourselves.
Amen. [:)]
Grace & Peace,
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Todd Phillips said:
But still, in your private store, you still had some semblance of control over what went on in the store, no? If someone was telling everyone who entered the store they were fat and ugly, you'd kick them out, right?
Yes, I would.
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