World Series & Albert Pujols
Sports Fans: Thomas Nelson & Vyrso are running a promotion on the book Pujols: More Than The Game while the World Series lasts.
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alabama24 said:
Sports Fans: Thomas Nelson & Vyrso are running a promotion on the book Pujols: More Than The Game while the World Series lasts.
I read the blurb from Nelson on the book. I noted the comment regarding his interchange with opposing players on 1st. I really find that off-putting. One's influence on others is generally not to be effected through hit-and-run tactics. One can best influence others by as regular and sustained life and conversation. I remember once being accosted by some nitwit in a Costco in Virginia. He felt it his duty to give me the full-boat testimony. Everything in me was crying out to tell him he was making a mockery of the faith, but I restrained myself. Most often I think those who engage in such "witness" are mostly witnessing to their desire to appear to be religious — in their own eyes.
george
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I haven't read it yet. If I remember, I will tell you what I think when I do. One difference between your experience and the one you described from the book is that Albert knows the players he is talking to. The guy at Costco didn't. (That was me, by the way [:P])
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George Somsel said:alabama24 said:
Sports Fans: Thomas Nelson & Vyrso are running a promotion on the book Pujols: More Than The Game while the World Series lasts.
I read the blurb from Nelson on the book. I noted the comment regarding his interchange with opposing players on 1st. I really find that off-putting. One's influence on others is generally not to be effected through hit-and-run tactics. One can best influence others by as regular and sustained life and conversation. I remember once being accosted by some nitwit in a Costco in Virginia. He felt it his duty to give me the full-boat testimony. Everything in me was crying out to tell him he was making a mockery of the faith, but I restrained myself. Most often I think those who engage in such "witness" are mostly witnessing to their desire to appear to be religious — in their own eyes.
How very sad that you feel this way. I am most impressed with Pujols and his witness. And I'm a Milwaukee Brewers fan who has now seen his team beaten twice by the Cards (1982 WS and this year).
The bible says that word does not return void so anytime a witness goes out with a sincere heart it is blessed. Also, Paul said that a witness even with wrong motives can be used by God for his glory.
I only wish I had more boldness to help people around me learn of the grace of Jesus Christ.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
The bible says that word does not return void so anytime a witness goes out with a sincere heart it is blessed. Also, Paul said that a witness even with wrong motives can be used by God for his glory.
I only wish I had more boldness to help people around me learn of the grace of Jesus Christ.
Being in favor of boldness does not entail foolhardy recklessness. Grabbing someone by the collar, shaking him and asking "Are you saved, brother" is not the most effective method of furthering the gospel. We don't need hit-and-run evangelism. True, God can do whatever he jolly well pleases including speaking to a person "through a dead dog" as Barth says in his Kirchliche Dogmatiek (or through a braying jackass) or things could fly away from one another rather than being attracted. There are certain laws which pertain to all aspects of creation including psychology. The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
EDIT: To fail to observe the laws by which God has created and maintains the universe is in itself sin since sin is the failure to observe God's laws. Hit-and-run evangelism may boost the ego of the would-be evangelist but it generally accomplishes no good.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George,
have you ever heard the true story of the guy who witnessed on "George Street" in Australia?
You might want to give it a listen.
he was described as "acosting" people, "attacking" them, being "obnoxious" "rude" and all manner of things...also kind, and loving....
But the bottom line in this story is that this man witnessed to people for 20 years in this same place...coming up to people in a bold witness that has been described like I did above...and God used him to save thousands....
So...that's all that I wanted to point out.
Here is the video/audio
Robert Pavich
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Then you consistently break the first rule. Many have pointed out how abrasive and obnoxious your remarks are. You simply joke about the counsel. You seem to think if anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant. How Hypocritical and arrogant. [:(]George Somsel said:The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
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wella wella wella...
how 'bout them Cards last night! ...yeah not so much; but yeah so the series is tied.
'ole Pujols went 0 for 4!?
...Looks like they're headed back to Arlington
...and that Vyrso book!
Man, what a doozy.
Good price!
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Paul Oertly said:
Then you consistently break the first rule. Many have pointed out how abrasive and obnoxious your remarks are. You simply joke about the counsel. You seem to think if anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant. How Hypocritical and arrogant.George Somsel said:The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
Well, I may be the forum curmudgeon, but here all, or most of us, are commited to the gospel. On the street we cannot assume this. Here we should be able to speak the truth — indeed, it should be imperative that we do so. So, peace to you, brother. I really don't care much about your opinion of me.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Robert Pavich said:
he was described as "acosting" people, "attacking" them, being "obnoxious" "rude" and all manner of things...also kind, and loving....
Are you holding this up as the standard by which we are to pattern our lives? We are admonished in the gospels to be "wise as serpents." I don't think that being wise involves being rude and acosting people. Besides, it seems that such rests upon a misconception of salvation as fire insurance. Salvation involves the transformation of one's life here and now without regard to any hereafter.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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A most predictable response. I fear you do err in your assessment of forum readers. All are not theologians. Many are baby Christians. Their sensitivities should be considered the same as the folks "on the street." Hiding behind a pet name does not excuse your offensive comments. [:(]George Somsel said:Well, I may be the forum curmudgeon, but here all, or most of us, are commited to the gospel. On the street we cannot assume this. Here we should be able to speak the truth — indeed, it should be imperative that we do so. So, peace to you, brother. I really don't care much about your opinion of me.
(Mt 18:6)
But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
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Paul Oertly said:
I fear you do err in your assessment of forum readers. All are not theologians. Many are baby Christians.
I didn't say they were theologians, and they need not be such. I'm not simply concerned about "sensitivities" by themselves. "Sensitivities" is what gives us political correctness where we hesitate to speak the truth and end up dancing around a subject. As Sgt Friday (Jack Webb) used to say in the program "Dragnet", "Just the facts, ma'am."
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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There is a difference in justification, and self-justification. You are defending your actions...the very actions you attacked Pujols for. Even worse you attacked him based on hearsay. You haven't even read the book. [:(]
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[Y]George Somsel said:it seems that such rests upon a misconception of salvation as fire insurance. Salvation involves the transformation of one's life here and now without regard to any hereafter.
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Paul Oertly said:
There is a difference in justification, and self-justification. You are defending your actions...the very actions you attacked Pujols for. Even worse you attacked him based on hearsay. You haven't even read the book.
Leave the presence of a fool,
for there you do not find words of knowledge.Prov 14.7
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Please, let's stay on topic (discussing this book from Vyrso) and steer this thread away from evangelism tactics, theology, and personal opinions about each other. Thanks! [:)]
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[^o)] HHHMMMmmm~~~ [^o)]Paul Oertly said:
Then you consistently break the first rule. Many have pointed out how abrasive and obnoxious your remarks are. You simply joke about the counsel. You seem to think if anyone disagrees with you, they are ignorant. How Hypocritical and arrogant.George Somsel said:The first rule is to make your witness attractive to the one who is its object.
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George Somsel said:
Grabbing someone by the collar, shaking him and asking "Are you saved, brother" is not the most effective method of furthering the gospel. We don't need hit-and-run evangelism.
Is this a straw man or have you literally experienced this? And has anyone ever seen Albert Pujols do this?
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Is this a straw man or have you literally experienced this? And has anyone ever seen Albert Pujols do this?
I haven't seen exactly this, but sometimes it comes dangerously close. No, I don't go to the park to see the games and I haven't watched TV for about 15 yrs (I even got rid of mine) so I haven't seen Pujols do this. I'm simply going by the blurb from Nelson.
george
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Jonathan Watson said:
Please, let's stay on topic (discussing this book from Vyrso) and steer this thread away from evangelism tactics, theology, and personal opinions about each other. Thanks!
Perhaps that should be the Cardinal rule.... [8-|]
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George,
I must say you come across unusually immature in these comments for one who is usually so wise. Yours is a most unfair caricature of Pujols' evangelism, and a most unchristian attitude. Besides that, many people have been won to Christ through methods that I don't like. Street preachers have probably caused more angels to dance and celebrate in heaven than seminaries. We are not all alike. Whatever it takes.
Pujols reminds me of Bobby Richardson, whose testimony to fellow ballplayers was instrumental in changing many lives. God delights to use the foolish.
Me? I come across pompous all the time.
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Now you've gone and done it. .. You have challenged the character of King George ! Prepare to be dismissed as a Fool !Michael Childs said:George,
I must say you come across unusually immature in these comments
George Somsel said:I really don't care much about your opinion of me.
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Paul Oertly said:
Now you've gone and done it. .. You have challenged the character of King George !
You've been saving up your venom for some time, haven't you?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Jonathan Watson said:
Please, let's stay on topic (discussing this book from Vyrso) and steer this thread away from evangelism tactics, theology, and personal opinions about each other. Thanks!
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Have joy in the Lord!
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Calling Albert's method of evangelism "hit and run" is very funny considering the baseball imagery. It is also very inaccurate. Albert is doing what we all should do. He is witnessing to the people in his work place when the opportunity is presented. These are not people "off the street corner." These are Albert's professional colleagues. We should take Albert's example to heart.
Soli Deo Gloria,
Randy
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Same here.George Somsel said:I haven't seen exactly this, but sometimes it comes dangerously close.
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How do we review a book that focuses on evangelism tactics, without discussing evangelism tactics?Jonathan Watson said:Please, let's stay on topic (discussing this book from Vyrso) and steer this thread away from evangelism tactics
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Good question.
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Randall Cue said:
Calling Albert's method of evangelism "hit and run" is very funny considering the baseball imagery. It is also very inaccurate. Albert is doing what we all should do. He is witnessing to the people in his work place when the opportunity is presented. These are not people "off the street corner." These are Albert's professional colleagues. We should take Albert's example to heart.
Soli Deo Gloria,
Randy
Is it really? I would consider making a brief comment or slightly extended comment then leaving base (literally or figuratively) as being hit-and-run as opposed to one's daily interaction with another as co-worker, neighbor, friend, etc. What is needed is a life in interchange with others not a 30 sec to 5 min commercial.
I can see it now, "Jesus saves at Waxahatchee Bowlers' Federal Credit Union."
george
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Ya'll can say what you want about Pujols,
But the Lord was with him tonight in the 3rd game of the world series, he hit 3 home runs tonight.
(he is in good company, only 2 others have done this in world series history: Babe Ruth and Reggie Jackson)my poor texas rangers need to pray harder. [:'(]
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steve clark said:
my poor texas rangers need to pray harder.
I think what they need to do is to play harder.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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after much serious deliberation and prayer, and reading these fine reviews of Senor Pujols' book, I have come to the conclusion I MUST own it. thank you all for insightful reviews and forthright comments. you have convinced me: this is a MUST BUY.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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reported this fake as abuse.
Have joy in the Lord!
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George Somsel said:
impostor...obviously a fake ... I reported it also
This also wasn't my post. Paul, you may think you're being cute, but you're snot.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
This wasn't my post, either. This must stop !George Somsel said:Why can't you imbeciles comprehend what I am saying? Why should this ball bat cowboy get any recognition for his accomplishments? He doesn't have superior intellect, like Me. He doesn't have all the degrees that I have. He hasn't mastered all the ancient languages that I have. Who could think that he matters in the grand scheme of things? Why don't we focus on Me, and forget this peon?
I too have reported you for your abuse within this forum. FYI... the post count gives you away.
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alabama24 said:
Thomas Nelson & Vyrso
Not familiar with Vyrso, do these resources show up in L4? Not really a sports fan, but after reading this thread, I want this book.
EDIT: Answered my own question by purchasing the book and now reading it in L4.
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George Somsel said:
You must not have paid attention to My comments about the book.Jack Caviness said:Not familiar with Vyrso, do these resources show up in L4? Not really a sports fan, but after reading this thread, I want this book.
Oh, but I did pay attention to your comments as well as the genuine posts by George. I disagree with George, but I believe that you are a coward who fancies himself to be a comedian.
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[^o)] HHHMMMmmm~~~ [^o)]George Somsel said:Why can't you imbeciles comprehend what I am saying? Why should this ball bat cowboy get any recognition for his accomplishments? He doesn't have superior intellect, like Me. He doesn't have all the degrees that I have. He hasn't mastered all the ancient languages that I have. Who could think that he matters in the grand scheme of things? Why don't we focus on Me, and forget this peon?
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Looks like Y'all had an exciting weekend. Sorry I missed it.
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Paul Oertly said:
Looks like Y'all had an exciting weekend. Sorry I missed it.
Are you sure you missed it?
george
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Pretty Sure
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george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Do you require 2 lanes, or 4?
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Paul Oertly said:
Do you require 2 lanes, or 4?
In other words, your answer is "Yes" that you think I'm gullible enough to accept that.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Mellow out, George. Look on the bright side. Your whining has caused Logos to not link your history to your post count, making it a bit harder to see what an obnoxious, abrasive tyrant you really are. Have a great day. [:)]
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Paul Oertly said:
Mellow out, George. Look on the bright side. Your whining has caused Logos to not link your history to your post count, making it a bit harder to see what an obnoxious, abrasive tyrant you really are. Have a great day.
You mean like Dave Hooton, Richard DeRuiter and others who have more than 17 posts? You have a right to your opinion, but you need to keep it more to yourself. Your post this morning was fairly obviously gloating over what you think you accomplished this weekend.
george
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Sorry. I fail to see your point, Or why you drag these good men into the conversation. When I click on their post count, Their history is clearly displayed.George Somsel said:You mean like Dave Hooton, Richard DeRuiter
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To all contributing to this thread, please bear in mind the Forum Guidelines and return this thread to the original topic. Please take personal differences to a different medium (phone, email).
Thanks!
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Paul Oertly said:
Sorry. I fail to see your point, Or why you drag these good men into the conversation. When I click on their post count, Their history is clearly displayed.George Somsel said:You mean like Dave Hooton, Richard DeRuiter
You mean "clearly displayed" like this?
george
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Sorry, George. You will have to argue with yourself. Jonathan has asked us to abide by guidelines where this thread is concerned. I plan to honor his request.
Have a great day.[:)]
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