Nagging
nag verb
nagged; nag•ging [probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse nagga to moan, complain] verb intransitive circa 1828
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2 : to be a persistent source of annoyance or distraction
1 : to irritate by constant scolding or urging
(Merriam-Webster, Inc. Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. Eleventh ed. Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003.)Look, I have spent a lot of money on Logos products in the last few years (I say this to show my great appreciation for Logos and their products) but recent changes in your marketing are becoming a lot like nagging. I and many other customers have to endure MULTIPLE email, homepage, twitter reminders FOR THE SAME PRODUCT over and over! This is getting out of hand and is becoming offensive. I liked the way you did with Libronix - in program alerts that you can set "don't remind me about this deal again." I believe with the current system (which is all or nothing - one cannot "silence" a deal that is of no interest to him) you are crossing the line between informing customers and nagging which will ultimately lead to loss of customers (by the virtue of them unsubscribing to the email notifications) and loss of revenue.
I am unsubscribing from all marketing communications from LOGOS (I am sure I will miss some good deals) for the time being. Please let me know if there are any changes implemented in your marketing efforts.
What I would like to see:
- ability to say "OK, I have seen the deal from Logos, it does not appeal to me at this time {or maybe I already acted on it and bought it 3 reminders ago}, don't remind me of it again" - I believe it would be easy to implement it "in-program"
- differentiate your mailing lists - right now they severely overlap, or maybe they are just repetitive? (LogosTalk, Last Chance, NewsWire, Weekly Roundup, etc.)
- have a single aggregating web page for all deals - this will let a customer see the most current deals WITHOUT annoying him with frequent repetition.
Does anyone have additional ideas of improving Logos' marketing?
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Vladimir Lukyanov said:
Does anyone have additional ideas of improving Logos' marketing?
Yeah. Somebody (little ol' me?) needs to let you in on a secret [:-*]
You would not be getting any "nags" on facebook unless you "friended" Logos, and you can stop it by "un-friending" them. I know because a couple of my kids do that to me several times a year. [:D]
You would not get Tweets from Logos unless you "followed" them on Twitter. Again, you can stop the "nagging" sales pitches by "un-following" them.
You would get a whole lot less "nagging" emails if you go to your notifications tab in your Logos.com account and un-check all the RSS feeds & email alerts you are presently subscribed to.
In your Logos 4 desktop you can also choose not to receive all those "nagging" sales pitches. On the Logos 4/Preferences/ window de-select "show alerts". You can choose not to view the homepage too.
On a slightly related note; If you don't stand in the middle of the Freeway, you won't get run over very often.
I better stop. This is bordering on "nagging" [;)]
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Vladimir Lukyanov said:
Does anyone have additional ideas of improving Logos' marketing?
Change the user base to one that does not respond to such nagging with increased sales?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Super Tramp said:
Yeah. Somebody (little ol' me?) needs to let you in on a secret
your logic is faulty and your judgement is out of place. Here is why:
Let's assume I get advertisement number 1 and act on it by buying the product. Why should the company inundate me with 5 more reminders when I already placed an order? Your "solution" is dumb - "turn it all off". Throw the baby out with the bath water. It is also uninformed. I have not been following Logos on twitter and do not get facebook notifications (I did mentioned these avenues, because Logos does use them heavily for marketing). But what I do get is a TON of email from Logos. Their various newsletters crosspost specials and I think this is going overboard.
The worst part of your "advice" was that it told me nothing of value. As I have mentioned in my OP I already have unsubscribed from ALL promotional channels. Alas, throwing baby out was the only viable solution.
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Whoa boys and girls. Can we step back for a moment? No need for us to move from being loving and inquisitive to hostile. Speak the truth in love for the sake of Christ please
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I think Vladimir simply wants a reduced 'naggability ratio'. Kind of like you want rain, just not flooding.
For example I don't mind getting credit card offers in the mail; but every day? From the same bank? (true).
And Alexander ... we're REALLY hoping you can upgrade affordably. You will enjoy it SO much!!!
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise - I bet I will! More and more I am falling in love with the Greek especially. Christ's words are amazing enough in English but when you can see the tiny nuances of God in Scripture that show both the divinity of the writings and the wisdom there... Oh my! An even better view of the Cross than before
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Vladimir Lukyanov said:Super Tramp said:
Yeah. Somebody (little ol' me?) needs to let you in on a secret
your logic is faulty and your judgement is out of place. Here is why:
Let's assume I get advertisement number 1 and act on it by buying the product. Why should the company inundate me with 5 more reminders when I already placed an order? Your "solution" is dumb - "turn it all off". Throw the baby out with the bath water. It is also uninformed. I have not been following Logos on twitter and do not get facebook notifications (I did mentioned these avenues, because Logos does use them heavily for marketing). But what I do get is a TON of email from Logos. Their various newsletters crosspost specials and I think this is going overboard.
The worst part of your "advice" was that it told me nothing of value. As I have mentioned in my OP I already have unsubscribed from ALL promotional channels. Alas, throwing baby out was the only viable solution.
Super Tramp you have such a "winsome" way... Is your last name "Ball-peen" as in HAMMER?
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My wish for Logos marketing would be for them to switch to Marketing 2.0: Logos knows a ton about me; my buying habits, my interests, my opinions, etc.
U S E T H A T !
Offer _me_ things that make sense; don't just send me offers for things I already have. Stop the madness of the website where it offers to sell me "upgrades" I already own. I'm not a big fan of the pop-up nag when I open L4Win, but once I'd dismissed that....*stay* dismissed. Mass marketing is for folks who think junk mail has a good ROI.
Logos should figure out how to implement Santiago's salesmanship talent in an algorithm; while I'm trying to greatly scale back purchases, I'll bet there is quite a bit of stuff that Logos sells that I'd be interested in, but just don't have time/inkling to dig through the Logos archives to unearth them.
P.S. As a secondary change, I wish Logos would stop selling a single volume of a package in their sales--especially since if I later buy the package, I have to buy that volume all over again. If you are going to offer a special value on a single volume, also offer me an alternative special value for the related package--a loss leader is only useful if it leads to greater sales of "nearby" items.
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I'm with Vladimir on this.
I was pretty disappointed to see this crap starting to popup in my logos application. It would seem to be akin to Microsoft displaying advertisements when I startup my computer for Microsoft Office 2010 or some super special deal I just qualified for...
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and what about a webpage popup EVERY time I pause indexing. I understand a new user needs to know about indexing, but how about disabling this notification automatically after 2 or 3 times.
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Alright, alright Vlad, I got one for you. This one is a good and biblical definition: Dumbass ---Dumb-ass: A donkey that cannot speak. Logos marketing is fine, if you don't like it, then don't buy.
good morning USA!
LOL
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Giovanni Baggio said:
Alright, alright Vlad, I got one for you. This one is a good and biblical definition: Dumbass ---Dumb-ass: A donkey that cannot speak. Logos marketing is fine, if you don't like it, then don't buy.
good morning USA!
LOL
Let me get this straight... you can't really address Vladimir's issue, so you resort to name calling?
That was uncalled for.
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This is the dumbest overpriced collection
on prepub I've ever seen. I betcha a betcha it will never come out of
prepub. I can't believe they even thought about putting it together. I
can't believe they want to sell it at that price on the prepub
program...hey, I can't believe is not butter...LOLWhat was Nelson thinking?!!!
GB
Giovanni Baggio said:Alright, alright Vlad, I got one for you. This one is a good and biblical definition: Dumbass ---Dumb-ass: A donkey that cannot speak. Logos marketing is fine, if you don't like it, then don't buy.
good morning USA!
LOL
Giovanni you are the only person fixated on using "dumb" what is up with your word choice?
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I think Giovanni has an aramaic background where the underlying word for 'dumb' seems to have expanded geometrically into other languages.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Ryan said:
I'm with Vladimir on this.
I was pretty disappointed to see this crap starting to popup in my logos application. It would seem to be akin to Microsoft displaying advertisements when I startup my computer for Microsoft Office 2010 or some super special deal I just qualified for...
I don't get much of this "nagging" at all. Of course, I have a unique way to handle the problem — I shut my computer down once per year whether it needs it or not. Result? No nags.
george
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George Somsel said:
I don't get much of this "nagging" at all. Of course, I have a unique way to handle the problem — I shut my computer down once per year whether it needs it or not. Result? No nags.
In terms of nagging... When I open my Logos, I have it go straight to my Bible. I skip "Home" because 80-90% of it is just garbage advertisements. Whether it's a teaser for a new product, or an excerpt of some hymnal I can purchase, etc. So, I skip that and go into my Bible. That section of Logos is completely useless to me. Many software programs allow "Home" screens to be custom tailored to the user by allowing drag and drop widgets, and the like. I wish I could rename "Home" to "Advertisements", because calling it "Home" is just a misnomer.
Then I found out, not too long ago, that when I went into my Bible Software, there was a popup box on top of my Bible text, telling me I had 3 days left to purchase some wiz bang upgrade at an amazing price. That pissed me off. I spent a lot of money for this software, to work for me. When I open up Logos it's for the intention of Bible Study, not to hit a random Advertisement mine from right field.
Outside of Logos Bible Software... I mail back advertisements to people when I get them in the mail. I use AdBlockPlus in my browser. I use multiple email accounts to minimize spam. I email back phishers and spammers to get information out of them and waste their time. I report IPs to ISPs when they are not abiding by spam laws. When I get spam faxes for some "sweet" vacation deal at work, I call them back, and waste 20 minutes of their time answering qustions about a vacation to Orlando, up to the point when they ask for my credit card, I ask them to remove my number from their illegal spam list.
I hate advertisements... and foisting it upon me, within my BIBLE software, sincerely makes me angry. If I wasn't as invested in it as I am, it is at the advertising point that I will usually ditch a product for the non-advertising competitor.
AVG, I went to Comodo.
Browser? I don't use Internet Explorer, there's no AdBlockPlus
Kindle? You won't see me buying the one with Ads.
Radio? I listen to MP3's
Buying a car? I do the research, I figure out what I want, I don't put myself out there as a fish on the lot "just looking at cars".
My views on consumerism and advertising flows into everything I put my money to. I attempt to be objective in what I need and buy for all products, and the research I do concerning them. This process is completely antithetical to the advertising industry as a whole.
The money put to Marketing and Research for Logos goes wasted on me, and the code for nagging advertisements within the software does not in any wah draw me towards it.
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My first suggestion is for Vladimir to better state his real issue inSuper Tramp said:You would not be getting any "nags" on facebook unless you "friended" Logos, and you can stop it by "un-friending" them. I know because a couple of my kids do that to me several times a year.
You would not get Tweets from Logos unless you "followed" them on Twitter. Again, you can stop the "nagging" sales pitches by "un-following" them.
You would get a whole lot less "nagging" emails if you go to your notifications tab in your Logos.com account and un-check all the RSS feeds & email alerts you are presently subscribed to.
his first post rather than take 5 posts to tell us he really does not
want to end all "nagging" but wants BETTER TARGETING by the Marketing
Department. Had Vladamir been more precise in his real complaint and desire I would have been a "thumbs-up" all the way. Six of the ten suggestions on my upgrade page are things I already own. Better marketing is to replace those redundant offers with titles I do not own.My response was informational and not limited to Vladimir's specific situation. I expanded my answers to help others who may not know (as Vladimir does ) how to cut down or eliminate the "nagging."
You can't tell me my three suggestions in my first response (quoted above for your convenience) won't progressively accomplish what Vladamir first said he wanted. "Un-friending" on Facebook, "Un-following" on Twitter and unsubscribing to Logos RSS feeds and email notifications will accomplish the reduction of "nagging" advertisements. If a user is only interested in Greek resources they can subscribe to only Greek notifications.
So, aside from the hyperbolic mental picture I painted (the own that ascribes personal responsibility for our own actions), I believe my response was factual and possibly helpful to users who REALLY want to eliminate "nagging" ads.
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Ryan ... you're one of a kind (that's a complement).
Our local paper here was trying to demonstrate just how good paper advertising was, so they produced the response rates for commercial Facebook, emails, and so forth.
I took a look at those response rates and was quite surprised.
People DO respond (at least for me, our local paper's argument backfired).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Ryan said:
I hate advertisements... and foisting it upon me, within my BIBLE software, sincerely makes me angry. If I wasn't as invested in it as I am, it is at the advertising point that I will usually ditch a product for the non-advertising competitor.
I can understand your opposition to SOME ads. I really get cheezed off when I go to a website and up pops some ad which covers the main part of the screen. When the ads are placed discretely at the side or bottom, however, I don't get concerned about them. If I'm interested, I take a closer look, but if not, I ignore them. I get almost the full boat on the home page and pay no attention to much of what appears there since it either doesn't interest me or I already have it. I think you're just a tad too sensitive.
P.S.: Two things
- One way to get me determined to not do business with a company is to place one of those pop-up ads that obscure the screen. I would be seriously conflicted were Logos to begin such a practice.
- Another pet peeve I failed to mention is the embedded video that auto-plays with some dweeb flapping his gums. I can be streaming a beautiful piece of baroque music when this obscenity begins to interrupt. Grrr …
george
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If that is what you really wanted, it worked, no? But you REALLY meant to say you wanted YOUR "nagging" baby but not anyone else's "nagging" baby taking a bath in your water. That issue is better defined as better marketing.Vladimir Lukyanov said:Alas, throwing baby out was the only viable solution.
MJD said: Giovanni you are the only person fixated on using "dumb" what is up with your word choice? notice MJD: Vladimir used the word "dumb" first. [:D] So much for being objective. Vladimir Lukyanov said: Your "solution" is dumb - "turn it all off" It is hard to offer you the correct answer when you could not state your issue correctly. Even Denise had to restate your REAL issue. Denise Barnhart said: I think Vladimir simply wants a reduced
'naggability ratio'. Kind of like you want rain, just not flooding.
You gave an excellent tool Logos could implement here that would result in better marketing : Vladimir Lukyanov said: and what about a webpage popup EVERY
time I pause indexing. I understand a new user needs to know about
indexing, but how about disabling this notification automatically after 2
or 3 times. The best suggestion offered so far for improving targeted marketing is Ward Walker's post. Ward Walker said:My wish for Logos marketing would be for them
to switch to Marketing 2.0: Logos knows a ton about me; my buying
habits, my interests, my opinions, etc.
Last point: Obviously Logos advertisements work. If you don't know something is on sale, there is no motivation to buy it. You want all the sale prices but no advertisements. Vladimir Lukyanov said:Let's assume I get advertisement number 1 and act on it by buying the product. Why should the company inundate me with 5 more reminders when I already placed an order? Your original post should have asked for better targeted marketing. EVERYBODY would pile on that bandwagon. [Y][Y][Y]Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Alexander Longacre said:
Whoa boys and girls. Can we step back for a moment? No need for us to move from being loving and inquisitive to hostile. Speak the truth in love for the sake of Christ please
[Y] +1
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George Somsel said:
P.S.: Two things
- One way to get me determined to not do business with a company is to place one of those pop-up ads that obscure the screen.
- Another pet peeve I failed to mention is the embedded video that auto-plays with some dweeb flapping his gums. I can be streaming a beautiful piece of baroque music when this obscenity begins to interrupt. Grrr …
Those are my two biggest grievances. And usually the gum flapping dweeb has his volume cranked all the way up. And it is usually when I am listening to music in headphones.
Nice ads set to the side work very well for me. I am even humored by how the invasive nature of the search engine feeds relevant content to my ads. If I search "Inca" I end up finding "Inca" related content in my ads for a few days. How is that for coincidence?
random musing: I still can not figure why I am getting emails for Seniors dating services. AARP has been mailing me info since my 40th birthday.........
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Super Tramp said:George Somsel said:
P.S.: Two things
- One way to get me determined to not do business with a company is to place one of those pop-up ads that obscure the screen.
- Another pet peeve I failed to mention is the embedded video that auto-plays with some dweeb flapping his gums. I can be streaming a beautiful piece of baroque music when this obscenity begins to interrupt. Grrr …
Those are my two biggest grievances. And usually the gum flapping dweeb has his volume cranked all the way up. And it is usually when I am listening to music in headphones.
Nice ads set to the side work very well for me. I am even humored by how the invasive nature of the search engine feeds relevant content to my ads. If I search "Inca" I end up finding "Inca" related content in my ads for a few days. How is that for coincidence?
random musing: I still can not figure why I am getting emails for Seniors dating services. AARP has been mailing me info since my 40th birthday.........
One thing I neglected to mention as a pet peeve is that some of these political and economic "commentators" (or whatever you choose to call them) will post a bit of text which will advance chunk by chunk with someone reading the text for you. I am totally offended by their apparent implication that I cannot read the text for myself and by their total disregard for my time since this takes longer than simply reading the text myself (they read s l o o o w l y). I've taken note of groups that do this (such as Stansbury Research) and disregard their links.
I don't need to worry about AARP bothering me yet since I'm only going to be 39 on my next birthday. [;)]
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George Somsel said:
One thing I neglected to mention as a pet peeve is that some of these political and economic "commentators" (or whatever you choose to call them) will post a bit of text which will advance chunk by chunk with someone reading the text for you. I am totally offended by their apparent implication that I cannot read the text for myself and by their total disregard for my time since this takes longer than simply reading the text myself (they read s l o o o w l y). I've taken note of groups that do this (such as Stansbury Research) and disregard their links.
ha! I don't know where you keep finding these annoyances. I figure their style is for people who are too lazy to bother with the text.
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George Somsel said:
One way to get me determined to not do business with a company is to place one of those pop-up ads that obscure the screen. I would be seriously conflicted were Logos to begin such a practice.
Does this qualify?
Here are my settings-
I restarted and open Logos, and here's what I get-
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Ryan said:George Somsel said:
One way to get me determined to not do business with a company is to place one of those pop-up ads that obscure the screen. I would be seriously conflicted were Logos to begin such a practice.
Does this qualify?
Too close for comfort.
george
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Ryan said:
I restarted and open Logos, and here's what I get-
To turn those pop-up messages off, you need to go into Program Settings (from the Tools menu), and set the "Show Alerts" setting to "No".
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Disabling alerts sounds like a bad thing... an "Alert" should alert me to something that requires attention.
What "Alerts" will I not see if I disable this?
I just want to disable advertisements... not all alerts.
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Ryan said:
What "Alerts" will I not see if I disable this?
The help text for that option shows:
I've never had an alert that wasn't alerting me to a sale or a new product. Logos doesn't have anything else to show alerts for.
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Todd Phillips said:Ryan said:
What "Alerts" will I not see if I disable this?
The help text for that option shows:
I've never had an alert that wasn't alerting me to a sale or a new product. Logos doesn't have anything else to show alerts for.
Thanks. I had read the help text previously... it would seem inherent in disabling the option titled "Show Alerts" that it would disable "new alerts".
Usually within the computer software industry, alerts are used to alert the user to something that requires their attention. So when the help text uses something as ambiguous as "New alerts will never be shown", I don't equate that to "Advertising spam will never be shown."
It would seem a logical conclusion could be that advertising spam may be included in "New alerts", but it does not seem safe to conclude that the entirety of "New alerts" is "Advertising spam".
Hence my question, what other alerts will I not see, along with the advertising spam?
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Ryan said:
Hence my question, what other alerts will I not see, along with the advertising spam?
I've been using Logos 4 for over 2 years, and I've never seen the alerts show anything other than announcements from Logos marketing. But only a Logos employee could answer your question authoritatively. A call to Logos support would be the quickest way get them to respond.
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Clearly, even unsubscribing from ALL email lists does not stop marketing emails from reaching my mailbox! I still get a DAILY 12 Days of Logos and a NewsWire.
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There are two things I'd like to see Logos do with this. First, better targetting of adds (I don't need a discount on something i bought two years ago). Second, I wish that they would bundle the adds into no more than one email a day. The only notification I get on the home page is for updated resources (all other notifications are turned off) and I prefer to find out about promotions by email. I don't like getting 8 of 9 emails from Logos at the same time ... each suggesting one item. Please put all the current promotions in one email (like that happy christian software store does [H])
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Mike W said:
There are two things I'd like to see Logos do with this. First, better targetting of adds (I don't need a discount on something i bought two years ago). Second, I wish that they would bundle the adds into no more than one email a day. The only notification I get on the home page is for updated resources (all other notifications are turned off) and I prefer to find out about promotions by email. I don't like getting 8 of 9 emails from Logos at the same time ... each suggesting one item. Please put all the current promotions in one email (like that happy christian software store does
)Frankly, this puzzles me. I have almost everything turned on and don't receive more than about 1 notification per logon (I might receive a 2nd if I log off and back on).
george
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George Somsel said:
I have almost everything turned on and don't receive more than about 1 notification per logon
we are talking about email, mostly
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There is a quick and easy solution to that which has no known side effects — <DEL>
george
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George Somsel said:
There is a quick and easy solution to that which has no known side effects — <DEL>
I guess, you mean
<DEL><DEL><DEL>,
<DEL><DEL><DEL>.
<DEL><DEL> - <DEL> <DEL> <DEL> (to the tune of Jingle bells) [;)]
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toughski said:
I guess, you mean
<DEL><DEL><DEL>,
<DEL><DEL><DEL>.
<DEL><DEL> - <DEL> <DEL> <DEL> (to the tune of Jingle bells)
Right! See, you get your exercise and entertain yourself as well. Now, aren't you sorry you complained? [:D]
george
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