I have tried to find a post about this, but I couldn't.
If I want to find 'in Christ Jesus' and the wordorder doesn't matter and the words do not need to stand next to each other - how do I do that the most simple way?
Could you explain in a little more detail what you're trying to achieve? You mention Greek in the title, but then the example is in English. And I'm not sure if phrases like "in Christ" or "in Jesus" or "in the Lord", or "in the Lord Jesus" meet your criteria.
If all you want to do is find the words "in" and "Christ" and "Jesus" in the same verse, that's easy. If you want to search for "in Christ Jesus" and "in Jesus Christ" at the same time, that's easy. But it sounds like you want something different from that, but I'm sorry that I'm not exactly clear what you want.
Thank you for trying to understand me and my bad english [:)]
What I mean is that I want to find all possibilities for 'ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ', where all the words are representet in the verse, but not necessarily in that order or not even in a row. For example: 'We all live in the Lord Jesus Christ.' That one I want. But 'We all live in Christ', does not meet my criteria.
I tried the simple way, but got 196 results, many of them had nothing to do with 'in Jesus Christ', but had only for example 'in Christ'. I want all three words to be represented.
Does anyone understand me?
This sounds ideal for using Syntax Search, as it gives the ability to specify things "unordered". See attached graphic, be sure to click "Matching skips levels" for the three Words.
This search only produces 1 result, 1 Tim 3:12. Do you know of more? Seeing other instances can help someone produce the proper Syntax query. I did an English Bible search using "Near" (live NEAR Jesus NEAR Christ) and this is the only one. You get more by searching with "Match all word forms" selected, or by using the lemma of the words in Greek, but then it produces results like Rom 6:11, "alive to God in Christ Jesus" which is not what you want.
If this helps great, if not maybe you can clarify further what you want or give some other verses as examples.
Have you tried ἐν AND Χριστῷ AND Ἰησοῦ ? This seems to me to be what you want . It should find all verses where the three words appear but not necessarily in that order (199 results in the NA27).
Yes, I understand. There are two ways in which we can try to do this. The first is through a Bible or Morph search, the second is through a syntax search. A syntax search will be more accurate, but a Bible/Morph search is easier to construct. I'll show you the Morph search now, and I'll come back to you a bit later on the syntax search. I'll talk you through the search:
First, we need to search for the phrase Jesus Christ. We could use "Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ", but that wouldn't find all the morphological forms. We need to search for the lemma. You can't put lemmas into phrases, so we have to use the following criteria
lemma:Χριστός BEFORE 1 WORD lemma:Ἰησοῦς
However, you've specified that the words could be the other way around too, so it's best if we change the BEFORE to a WITHIN. WITHIN means BEFORE or AFTER, so it now looks like this:
lemma:Χριστός WITHIN 1 WORD lemma:Ἰησοῦς
But we also want to search for ἐν. We can use a similar syntax:
lemma:ἐν BEFORE 4 WORDS lemma:Χριστός WITHIN 1 WORD lemma:Ἰησοῦς
The 4 I've chosen is rather arbitrary, you can experiment with different numbers. If you set it too large you'll get logs of false positives. If you set it too small, you'll miss some genuine answers.
Morph Search for
lemma:ἐν BEFORE 2 WORDS (lemma:Χριστός,lemma:Ἰησοῦς)
finds a variety of phrases:
Keep Smiling [:)]
I'll show you the Morph search now, and I'll come back to you a bit later on the syntax search
Logos crashes most times I do a search at the moment (I'm using the beta), so I'm afraid I can't show you this. Dominick's solution will help you (though he misread your question so isn't using ἐν).
I don't know if there are any phrases like this in the Bible, or if the OP wants to find them if there are, but theoretically there could be phrases like "in Christ, the Lord Jesus", or "in [the Lord] Jesus, the Christ". Your search would miss those.
