Hey all,
If you have a pile of Doc's laying around that you've been meaning to format so you can import them into Logos, you can have them formatted for you here!
thanks!
Afraid the free John Piper book you have on your webpage is under copyright. If you have permission to reproduce, that disclaimer must be included.
However, thank you for the formatting offer.
Thanks for the heads up Jack...pursuing permission!
You're not a Logos or MP employee, are you? Have you asked their permission before you set up this site?
If not, it seems to me that -- no matter how good your intentions may have been -- you've set up a for-profit site in Logos' name, with embedded MP videos, and then used Logos' own forums to advertise it.
As for the latter, it's clearly covered by the Forum Guidelines:
Please do not use our forums to (...) advertise yourself, your business, your ministry, your website, etc. (a tasteful link in your forum signature is acceptable)
Please do not use our forums to
As for the former, not being American myself I have little insight into American law on matters like this -- but I know that I would check that law very carefully before I 'borrowed' other companies' names and videos without leave. It can get expensive.
Btw, I also find it somewhat deceptive of you to offer to format our files, yet leaving out the little caveat that it's going to cost. Other than the obvious spammers, I don't think I've ever seen anyone here offer their work other than for free.
After having reviewed the site, I have to agree that this is discourteous, inappropriate, unprofessional, and in clear violation of forum rules... at best, deceptive (as fgh noted), and at worst, a violation of a number of copywrite and intellectual property rights as defined by both American and international law. This just isn't how to go about doing things, Justin, even if you have good intentions (which i will readily allow). Please show respect for Logos and their policies, and for your brothers in the Lord who lead Logos' business, by not embedding Logos' (or MP's) videos as if they were your own, stealing/altering the Logos logo, using their name, etc. I'd really like to suggest that you simply take down the site, but that is between you and the Lord. But i If you respect Logos, which I trust you do from the words on your site, please do try to show the company more professional courtesy.
Not trying to slam you, Justin, truly. Email/forums are always a difficult way to communicate something like this without coming across as unkind, rude or offensive, which isn't my intent. But this just really doesn't seem right. I know we all have varying degrees of sensitivity on these issues (involving copywrite and intellectual property)... but if I was Logos, I wouldn't be very happy about this approach, nor would you be if someone capitalized off your business in this way and then advertised it on your website. Please try to be more sensitive to and think through the issues involved, which hopefully were just overlooked in your enthusiasm.
Aaahhh, easy now. How is his any different than this? http://community.logos.com/forums/t/48938.aspx
Are they both not 'promoting oneself' under the guise of the Logos Banner?
If one goes - then both go............
[edit: also please note: advertise yourself, your business, your ministry, your website, etc. (a tasteful link in your forum signature is acceptable) - neither of which has been applied] but I think that Joe DID change his...
Room4more, if you look at both sites, they are fundamentally different. In the first instance, one is for the purposes of generating a for-profit business, using Logos' forums as a means of advertising. The illustration you provide is a listing of YouTube videos created for educating users and is free. Very much in keeping with forum intentions.
Furthermore, the entire approach of Justin's site is problematic. Happily, he took down the "free" resources that he does not have a right to post (Piper's website even lists this as a violation, if memory serves)... but he has the same cavalier attitude throughout the site... which comes across, due to the manner of his use of Logos name, his taking of their logo and adapting it, embedding videos that are not his or providing any disclaimer, etc., as an official PBB site for Logos. The original post seemed deceptive from the perspective that it fails to mention that this is a fee-based service... perhaps an oversight, but it sits badly.
Take a look at the YouTube site, then take a look at Justin's. There is no comparison.
Just a quick comparison:
-They both promote themselves w/Logos Software
-They both demonstrate ‘how’ w/Logos Software
-They both ‘advertise’ with Logos Software [per forum]
-They promote Logos Software
The real difference: one ‘from their own website’ offers a “do it for you” service.
***Whilst it may be true that one does have the Logos signature, can u show that there is no viable gratuity[contractual agreement] between them? If Logos deems that the site is an infringement, then I think that they[Logs Bible Software] will contact him personally – don’t you think so as well?***
this is really nit-picking.......are there not other issues that we could squander about?
Well,
Thank you all for the feedback. I've taken it down for now to seek counsel from Logos. There wasn't any ill-intention.
Well, Thank you all for the feedback. I've taken int down for now to seek counsel from Logos. There wasn't any ill-intention.
Thank you all for the feedback. I've taken int down for now to seek counsel from Logos. There wasn't any ill-intention.
Dude, I wouldn't worry about. There is soooo much stone-throwing that you need to keep a generous about on hand and hide your heart in the process........besides, if any and all abided by the guidelines, everyone would be placated.
Hope this helps.
Aaahhh, easy now. How is his any different than this?
this is really nit-picking
Maybe you were nit-picking. I was warning a guy that he may be doing something that could have cost him a million dollar lawsuit if he'd done it to another company.
I've taken int down for now to seek counsel from Logos. There wasn't any ill-intention.
I didn't think there was. Which is why I never reported it as abuse, but waited for you to respond and take action yourself.
(Btw, I'm guessing your last post was an attempt at editing. You can edit by clicking More > Edit. You've got about 10 hours or so.)
fgh, that was/is really funny! Personally, I think that the guy has suffered enough of a beating, let's not pour peroxide into already open wounds......hey I know, let's all go back and delete any and all things we posted that DID NOT apply to the guidelines -wha'cha say.. you gonna be the first and we follow u'r example...
leave it be. let HQ deal with it.....
time for a dance: [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/460.gif[/img] .
I wouldn't have answered the question if you hadn't first asked it, and I wouldn't have defended Joe if you hadn't first attacked him.
Not really, I only used that thread as an example of self promotion. I wasn’t ‘attacking’ anyone. As a matter of fac,t I did not bring to light that as a ‘former employee’ that he may be swinging against the company by doing a “free” video when MP does them for HQ revenue.
But the reality is you did not really answer my question that you admit you were aware of, just posted and avoided it, so that prompts me to ask You personally:
can u show that there is no viable gratuity[contractual agreement] between them?
Somehow I doubt that you can, other than presenting a conjecture, and a problematic one at best.
But thanks all the same for providing factual evidence that my post{ two past back from this one] was accurately correct.
Thanks.
You got a lot to learn about the Logos company, Morris Proctor, freebie support videos and the top brass at Logos.
Do you accuse Mark Barnes to be self-promoting with his Logos videos? Do you believe the many who write the Logos Wiki are self-promoting? I won't even ask you what your opinion is of the MVP crew.
The bottom line is: Never place a link in the forums that takes a reader off-site to a place that advertises products or services for monetary gain. It matters not if the product is Logos format or not. This would include John Fallahee, Morris Proctor, WordSearch, Christian Book Distributors, Accordance and Amazon.
There is no need for stone casting. My posts (and most others) are reprimands or gentle correction. If people don't like being corrected, don't post erroneous information or dismiss the guidelines Logos has established for their own forums. Romans 6:1-2
Not really, I only used that thread as an example of self promotion. I wasn’t ‘attacking’ anyone. As a matter of fac,t I did not bring to light that as a ‘former employee’ that he may be swinging against the company by doing a “free” video when MP does them for HQ revenue. You got a lot to learn about the Logos company, Morris Proctor, freebie support videos and the top brass at Logos. Do you accuse Mark Barnes to be self-promoting with his Logos videos? Do you believe the many who write the Logos Wiki are self-promoting? I won't even ask you what your opinion is of the MVP crew. The bottom line is: Never place a link in the forums that takes a reader off-site to a place that advertises products or services for monetary gain. It matters not if the product is Logos format or not. This would include John Fallahee, Morris Proctor, WordSearch, Christian Book Distributors, Accordance and Amazon. There is no need for stone casting. My posts (and most others) are reprimands or gentle correction. If people don't like being corrected, don't post erroneous information or dismiss the guidelines Logos has established for their own forums. Romans 6:1-2
Ooooo, I like this one:
Yes, you are correct, WE all have much to learn concerning your statement. Evan in my many years as a LOGOS user, I Learn new things everyday.
Interesting how you say that I accuse another when using a thread as an example, yes very interesting indeed. Hey watch out for that beam…..
I think that you are missing the point….but I do find it interesting that you do not take the same actions towards those who post concerning the very same “off-site to a place that advertises products or services for monetary gain.” That you mention….yes, again very interesting indeed.
And the best yet:
Stone casting! Hahahahha pppllleeeaaassseee…Who gave you the right to reprimand? You , as well as those who wish to judge another are just like me – Please let me clarify so that there is NO misunderstanding – A USER! We neither have the right nor are given the right to reprimand anyone. Period. When you take that right, then you have placed yourself above the rest of us……yet, I am happy to read that you are above reproach…..may u be blessed.
Please do not insult my, or anothers, intellect by coming back and saying that this was a bad choice of word by you…..it won’t fly.
I neither condemn nor support Justin’s post, but you guy’s, wow! What a motley crew we are…..
But, again I thank you for your comment and adding again another factual statement for verification.
thanks.
Who gave you the right to reprimand?
The little star under his name gives him that right.
Thanks
Who gave you the right to reprimand? The little star under his name gives him that right. Thanks
Yeah, right. care to count how many are actually post that pertain exactly within the parameters of the guidelines? I venture to say that this is one of many that do not apply.
And, I think that you are wrong, no one gave us the right to reprimand - ever. .....Its not our software nor our forum - do you see any moderator's/ NO. c any Admin/ NO. we should judge ourselves first. would you not agree?
But thanks for the comment.....
R4M,
My friend, please consider before responding in anger or with sarcasm. It may only be my perception, but to me, your posts (especially for the last few weeks) come across as divisive, defensive, and pretty aggressive.
Your brother, --Mark
You all just need to get over it.****
No I am not angry, nor am I trying to be sarcastic, but really, reading the last few posts made by others really brings out the double-talk that shrouds this forum........everyone needs to step back and re-read what they have been posting.
The guy made a an honest post, you guy's literally torn him a new one........let it go.
**********
Anyone who has never made a mistake on this Forum, Please take a star!! You have earned the right to be a bully.
My issue is not with Justin, it is with your posts.
And, I think that you are wrong, no one gave us the right to reprimand - ever.
A word to the wise is sufficient. No amount of words will convince the foolish.
The one thing worse than blatant disrespect of the forum owner's wishes is the open encouragement for others to do likewise.
No one person can read all posts and respond to "violations" every time. (You even say no one has the authority so I am not responsible either.[:D]) But most posters do not foment a proactive disregard for the purpose of the forum.
'Nough said.[C]
Yes, I agree. a first time poster and nothing but dis-respect for the guy.....boy that was Grand! Think he will return?
Get over it and let it go.....
I wasn’t ‘attacking’ anyone.
deleted by author who had shown poor judgement.
MJ, I was wondering when u would appear.
Justin's post was sincere, at least I think so, I would like some PB's done that I just do not have the time to do, I may even take him up on his offer, If he has an ability to do in less time that it would take me to do, and have it done outside of the forum - it is promising. Yes, he may have crossed the line in the Logos emblem, but immediately he was "reprimanded" for having it there.
It's not our Place, we neither own it nor have the copyright to it. As I stated earlier, Let HQ deal with it. The first post was "Afraid the free John Piper book you have on your webpage is under copyright. If you have permission to reproduce, that disclaimer must be included." fair and possibly a note to readjust his page. Then it went downhill......
No one on this forum is above reproach, me included, we have all done things outside the scope of the guidelines.....Agreed.
so lets all just get over it and let it go away........Justin may have been wrong, he may have been right.......Its not our place to tell him in this respect....not mine not yours not anyone - but HQ.
Let it go....
Thanks, R4M
From the guidelines:
"6. Please help others follow theseguidelines. If the problems continue after you’ve given a gentle reminder ofthese expectations, please click “Report Abuse” under “More” or send an emailto forums@logos.com."
Yes: A gentle reminder. A "reprimand" dictates an Authoritive position - No one on this Forum as a user has that Position. No that is not within the scope of "stars".........................He may not have read the guidlines and maybe was not aware of them, I won't speak for him. But no one asked him either, just pointed it out with other words......oh how gracefully we accept a newbie. we were all newbies once. - Remember?
Truthfully, I liked his idea. I was impressed that one would take the initiative to post in that regards. No one has ever offered in the capacity that he presented on his page - hey did anyone take time to notice that the first ten pages were FREE!!/? or were we tooo busy looking for........
You want to report me as abusive, Fine. but before you do look in the mirror and say "I have never posted outside of the Guidelines. I have never crossed the line. I am above reproach." then come back and click the button...........
I wasn’t ‘attacking’ anyone. deleted by author who had shown poor judgement.
I am intrigued-?
Personally puzzled since some of your replies have been helpful for using Logos Bible Software while a number of replies lack focus about using Logos Bible Software, which is the primary purpose of the Logos Bible Software forums.
Thankful for many friendly forum discussions about using Logos Bible Software; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. A number of forum threads include my apologies for my mistakes (mea culpa's) [:$] , which have been followed by me changing. Personally focusing on helpfully learning and using Logos Bible Software so everyone can smile [:D]
Thankful for awesome Logos Bible Study features [8-|], including Personal Books (PB) plus many free Vyrso eBook's.
One of my favorite Bibles for reading in Logos 4 is a PB => American Standard Version 1901 - Personal Bible without Chapter and Verse #'s whose genesis came from a forum thread => Is there a Bible with no verses, chapters or headings? Note: the Logos American Standard Version (1901 ASV) Bible and PB Bible (ASV 1901) both lack the footnotes in a Thomas Nelson 1929 American Standard Version printed edition, which could be another conversion opportunity: type footnotes into Logos 4 Note file(s) for community sharing.
While formatting ASV 1901 (PB), my appreciation for high quality Logos resources increased, especially ones with lots of tagging and footnotes. Also learned the Logos 1901 ASV resource had significantly fewer typographical errors than public domain text files.
Keep Smiling [:)]
I do not remember 'KS4J'[maybe used another nick then-?] from the '''''outlook'''' days. But those that remember those days can relate to my words. There comes a time when enough is enough......[come to think of it I do seem to recall Phil Gons as being part of the motely crew as are some current posters today]
Thanks KS4J. i am thankful that LOGOS has stuck with it......as well.
Part of reply is both puzzling and perplexing while lacking focus on using Logos Bible Software.
Apologies: personally not understand reference to the '''''outlook'''' days. Found a Suggestions thread started on 6 Jun 2009 => Adopt forum software that allows posting/reading from NNTP that includes replies by Bob Pritchett (CEO) and Phil Gons
+1 [Y] Thankful for many Logos 4 improvements plus Logos mobile apps; looking forward to many improvements, including personal book sync with remote devices.
Such patronization and coming from u of all people. my my.
Apparently it is before you. There are no more links or webpages or sites. No searches will find them - they are gone.
So. just let it go, if you continue to post to this thread it can only mean you are choosing not to and that you won't.
.........besides, if any and all abided by the guidelines, everyone would be placated.
I just wanted to say that I found it funny that the person who kept saying, "Let it go" over and over and over again refused to do so him/her self. I guess that means, R4M, that you both chose not to and that you will not? Awesome. Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Kettle.
I loved the episode where Gomer made a "citizen's arrest" on Barney, didn't you?
…for a "u-turn." I watched it today on Netflix. Funny. [:D]
Barney Fife carried a star, too. I loved the episode where Gomer made a "citizen's arrest" on Barney, didn't you? Of course Barney only got to carry one bullet, and that only in his pocket. Lots of good theology in Mayberry!
Sorry Michael but that went straight over my head, I have no idea who Barney Fife or Gomer are, or what/where Mayberry is. [:$]
I have no idea who Barney Fife or Gomer are, or what/where Mayberry is.
Barney Fife is the fictional character played by Don Knotts in the 1960's American TV show, "The Andy Griffith Show." He was a well intended, but bumbling deputy from a fictional small town in North Carolina.
