Is there a Bible with no verses, chapters or headings?

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 24 2010 4:04 PM

I was just wondering if anyone knew of a Bible, preferably in Logos, that did not display the verses, chapters and section headings?

Thanks

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Pat Flanakin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 5:36 PM

Certainly.  In any Bible, you can click on the visual filters options and select "Bible Text Only."  Should work for any version.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 6:43 PM

Pat Flanakin:

Certainly.  In any Bible, you can click on the visual filters options and select "Bible Text Only."  Should work for any version.

It still has chapter and verse numbers in that mode, and the verses are separated.

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 6:46 PM

Pat Flanakin:
Certainly.  In any Bible, you can click on the visual filters options and select "Bible Text Only."  Should work for any version.

 

Bible removes foot notes and periscopes, it still leaves verses and chapters.

 

When I want to examine scripture without the versification, I normally use the bible copy command and paste it into Word.

 

DARN! The only reason you beat me Todd is that I stopped to make pretty pictures Big Smile

 

BTW Thomas, thanks for teaching me the word versification! Amazing what you can learn on this forum.

 

 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 6:47 PM

Terry Poperszky:

When I want to examine scripture without the versification, I normally use the bible copy command and paste it into Word.

This is the only way that I know of to do it, and it is how I do it. Usually when I start studying a book, I copy into word with all chapter and verse numbers removed, double or triple space it, and print and just go to town with my pen

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 6:54 PM

Terry Poperszky:

 

DARN! The only reason you beat me Todd is that I stopped to make pretty pictures Big Smile

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 6:57 PM

Todd Phillips:
Your picture trumps my speed. Yes

 

Well, that and I had to boot up the windows 7 VM that runs L4 to check and make sure I was remembering correctly. 

 

 

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Daniel R. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 8:59 PM

Jacob, my method is very similar to yours. I will put the verses in MS Word like you, but then I will go through the text document and determine the paragraph separations. I started doing this when I realized that the different transations started and stopped paragraphs differently. Since I like to study at the paragraph level, I did some personal education of what constitutes a paragraph.

It would be nice to be able to have a filter that allowed us to form our own paragraphs and pericopes in the L4 itself!

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 24 2010 9:17 PM

Daniel R. Smith:

Jacob, my method is very similar to yours. I will put the verses in MS Word like you, but then I will go through the text document and determine the paragraph separations. I started doing this when I realized that the different transations started and stopped paragraphs differently. Since I like to study at the paragraph level, I did some personal education of what constitutes a paragraph.

It would be nice to be able to have a filter that allowed us to form our own paragraphs and pericopes in the L4 itself!

Just remember the paragraph breaks are not inspired and at times are interpretive decisions.

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 12:18 AM

Ok, I saw this and read each of the responses.  This has led to (???)

What would be the purpose in removing the "verses" and such?  There was even a mention of paragraphs being cut in certain places.  Does the cutting of a paragraph all of a sudden change scripture? 

Forgive my naivety, but I just do not understand.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 2:25 AM

William Bingham:
What would be the purpose in removing the "verses" and such?  There was even a mention of paragraphs being cut in certain places.  Does the cutting of a paragraph all of a sudden change scripture? 

You really don't want to get me going on the subject of chapters and verses - I really do want to build up a reputation as a fanatic on the issue. Big Smile

I prefer to study scripture as a series of sentences - complete thoughts. This is sometimes a part of a verse or a group of verses. I think of chapters and verses as being the equivalent of the line numbers running down the side of legal documents - you use them as a way to get another person to be looking at the same piece of text. Looking at text verse by verse can result in a portion of a sentence being treated as a complete unit which can result in misunderstandings. Chapters share the same arbitrariness - they may or may not represent a reasonable pericope boundary. Again partial units can lead to improper interpretation. As for paragraphs - they don't bother me. I can take 'em or leave 'em.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 2:45 AM

William Bingham:
What would be the purpose in removing the "verses" and such?  There was even a mention of paragraphs being cut in certain places.  Does the cutting of a paragraph all of a sudden change scripture? 

Verses and Paragraphs are divisions that were not present in the original manuscripts. Infact,theywerewrittenwithoutspaces. These divisions are handy. Verses help us get to places quickly and Paragraphs help group what the translators saw as a paragraph. The downside for verses is that they can isolate a thought from its context; an isolated thought can be misinterpreted very easily. Paragraphs represent a judgment call on what constitutes a paragraph. Does this sentence go at the end of that paragraph or the beginning of the next? it can make a difference for interpretation. The practice of looking at a text this way helps reduce any artificial conclusions induced by the formatting of the text.

 

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John Nerdue | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 5:17 AM

When I study scripture I take out all the verses and chapters and paragraphs so the text is plain and then begins the work of study.

Here is the method I use most of the time. Some parts of scripture like Psalms and Proverbs I don’t treat this way. In my method I am studying a whole letter or book. For longer books I modify this method some.

1)      Make 2  plain texts (2 copies of the same text being studied) no verse chapters or paragraphs

2)      Read the text (book, letter) through 4 times and each time ask a different question

a.       What’s the mood

b.      Who are the recipients

c.       What is the stated or implied reason for the letter or book

d.      What is the theme

e.      What’s the occasion

f.        Ect.

3)      Use some bible dictionaries or Encyclopedias to see what they say concerning the questions I asked above as well  as date, historical background, ect and reevaluate my conclusions (never assuming the dictionaries are always right about everything or I am always right in my conclusions but reading and reasoning through what others say)

4)      Reread the text and decide where I believe the paragraph divisions are

5)      Compare my paragraph divisions with 3 or 4 translations and reevaluate mine (again never just assuming the translations are always right or that a majority are or assuming I am always right)

6)      Sum up what is contained in each paragraph in a short sentence

7)      Use that summed up sentence to create a basic outline

8)      Take my second blank text and circle any words that are key to the sentence or paragraph or words that I don’t know the meaning of.

9)      Do a word study on all the circled words.

10)   Write a basic commentary on my findings and thoughts on what I believe the text is saying and what it means.

11)   Reading a few commentaries to see what they have to say

12)   Reevaluating my conclusions and thoughts (once again never assuming that commenters are always right or that I am always right or that a majority must be right but thinking and reasoning through things)

13)   Make my final commentary

This can be a long process but I find it is a very fruitful one. I will post a few pictures when I go down stairs to my office after I finish my tea.

     

    

              

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 5:31 AM

Jacob Hantla:

Terry Poperszky:

When I want to examine scripture without the versification, I normally use the bible copy command and paste it into Word.

This is the only way that I know of to do it, and it is how I do it. Usually when I start studying a book, I copy into word with all chapter and verse numbers removed, double or triple space it, and print and just go to town with my pen

okay, how does copy command get rid of all the verse numbers in word?

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Terry Poperszky | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 5:42 AM

Dan DeVilder:
okay, how does copy command get rid of all the verse numbers in word?

 

The bible text only formatting option in the bible copy utility removes them.

 

 

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 5:52 AM

Thanks Terry, guess I had not noticed that option.  Smile

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 9:19 AM

MJ. Smith:

Looking at text verse by verse can result in a portion of a sentence being treated as a complete unit which can result in misunderstandings. Chapters share the same arbitrariness - they may or may not represent a reasonable pericope boundary. Again partial units can lead to improper interpretation.

Kevin Becker:

The downside for verses is that they can isolate a thought from its context; an isolated thought can be misinterpreted very easily.

Kevin Becker:

Does this sentence go at the end of that paragraph or the beginning of the next? it can make a difference for interpretation.

Ok, it seems I am getting the same idea of responses here. 

It seems there are two types of problems that could occur.  There are misunderstandings and misinterpretations.  Let me define a misunderstanding as compared to a misinterpretation.  A misunderstanding is passive.  A misunderstanding would be a  small twisting of meaning.  A misinterpretation is active.  It is taking something as written and really screwing up the meaning.  I just do not see these problems myself in reading scripture with or without the verses and paragraphs or "parts" divided up.  Maybe one or both of you might provide some examples and show how each example was either a misunderstanding or a misinterpretation?

I have considered my last question and see how it would be against policy of the forum.  Please send the examples to  my email account.  Myemailaddressisluvmath03ATyahooDOTcom.

William

 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 25 2010 9:46 AM

Terry Poperszky:

Dan DeVilder:
okay, how does copy command get rid of all the verse numbers in word?

 

The bible text only formatting option in the bible copy utility removes them.

Very nice addition. I used to have to manually delete them.

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 9:41 AM

A book that's particularly challenging when it comes to paragraph divisions is the letter of James. I'm preaching through that book right now and have found its free flowing style makes it difficult to discern where a main thought ends and another begins.

The other interesting thing I'm noticing among the comments is that many of you still do your Bible study with some sort of pen and paper. I'd be interested to know, for what reason do you not complete your study entirely electronic?

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