BUG: PBB Resolving Bible Reference Incorrectly

Dan
Dan Member Posts: 116 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

I don't think this is a bug specifically with the PBB, but I can reproduce it using PBB. I created a simple .docx file with six references to Baruch: Bar 3:33 through Bar 3:38. I import the file in PBB and see that:


It looks like the double entry in Bar 3:34 creates an "off by one" error in the later passages.

I am using Logos Bible Software 4.5b SR-1 (4.52.0.2194). It seems to do the same thing for any Bible with 38 verses in Baruch (e.g. NABRE, NJB, D-R).

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,400

    What version have you made your preferred Bible? I have an idea on this to check out.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dan
    Dan Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

    I've tried it with several different Bibles as my favorite. The problem only appears when using a Bible with 38 verses in Baruch. For example, NABRE, NJB, and D-R.

  • Philana Crouch
    Philana Crouch Member Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭

    That's odd, why are there .png showing up next to the references...were there .png files associated with the file?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,400

    Thanks - I can replicate the bad behavior but not narrow down the cause. So much for my bright idea.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dan
    Dan Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

    That's odd, why are there .png showing up next to the references...were there .png files associated with the file?

    The .png files are cropped screen shots so you could see what I see when I mouse over the references.

  • Dan
    Dan Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

    Coincidentally, RefTagger also does the same thing when mousing over Bar 3:34: http://i.imgur.com/GcBbA.png

  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) MVP Posts: 23,165

    Dan said:

    Coincidentally, RefTagger also does the same thing when mousing over Bar 3:34http://i.imgur.com/GcBbA.png

    Option for pictures is using paper clip in forum editor to attach file.  Wiki Using the Forums has => Adding a picture to a Post

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    Hovering over Bar 3:34 in forum reply appears to have the NRSV words for Baruch 3:34

    image

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Dan
    Dan Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:


    Option for pictures is using paper clip in forum editor to attach file.  Wiki Using the Forums has => Adding a picture to a Post

    Thanks for the tip!

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:


    Hovering over Bar 3:34 in forum reply appears to have the NRSV words for Baruch 3:34

    image

     

    Not for me. RefTagger must be linked to my profile somehow.

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,153

    This is by design. The "default" versification for Baruch references (used by PBB) follows the NRSV, which combines NABRE's vv34-35 into v34, shifts all the other verses up by one, and ends at v37. You can see this in Text Comparison:

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    Personal Book Builder doesn't use your preferred Bible to determine the versification to use, so you must explicitly specify a different versification for the links with the full link syntax:
    [[Bar 3:34 >> BibleNABRE:Baruch3.34]]
    [[Bar 3:38 >> BibleNABRE:Baruch3.38]], etc.

    (Note that this doesn't force NABRE to open; instead it will open the reader's preferred Bible to the "same" verse as Bar 3:38 in NABRE, which would be 3:37 in NRSV for example.)

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 55,400

    Good to know. My logic was correct - my premise was wrong as the NRSV is frequently my top Bible. This should be documented in Help.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Dan
    Dan Member Posts: 116 ✭✭

    This is by design. The "default" versification for Baruch references (used by PBB) follows the NRSV, which combines NABRE's vv34-35 into v34, shifts all the other verses up by one, and ends at v37.

    Are there any plans to allow users to change the default verification option? When I am importing Vatican documents, it would be nice to validate against a Catholic Bible like D-R.


    Personal Book Builder doesn't use your preferred Bible to determine the versification to use, so you must explicitly specify a different versification for the links with the full link syntax:

    [[Bar 3:34 >> BibleNABRE:Baruch3.34]]
    [[Bar 3:38 >> BibleNABRE:Baruch3.38]], etc.

    This works and thank you for the solution; however, it seems the text link will no longer retain formatting. For example an italicized and bolded reference [[Bar 3:38 >> BibleNABRE:Baruch3.38]] will show up as Bar 3:38. Any workaround for this?

     

  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,153

    Dan said:

    Are there any plans to allow users to change the default verification option? When I am importing Vatican documents, it would be nice to validate against a Catholic Bible like D-R.

    This is a great suggestion (and would also be very helpful, for example, when writing a personal commentary on the OT and preferring to use BHS versification). I'll make sure this is in the system for the next update to PBB.

    Dan said:

    This works and thank you for the solution; however, it seems the text link will no longer retain formatting. For example an italicized and bolded reference [[Bar 3:38 >> BibleNABRE:Baruch3.38]] will show up as Bar 3:38. Any workaround for this?

    Yes, there is a workaround. Write the text of the hyperlink with formatting, e.g., "Bar 3:38", select it in Word, press Ctrl+K to add a hyperlink, then enter "BibleNABRE:Baruch3.38" as the Address and press OK. The formatting applied to the hyperlink will be preserved. (Unfortunately, this also includes the underlining, which you may wish to manually remove.)

    There is an open case in our bug tracking system to support formatting within the [[text >> reference]] notation.