Kindle?
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Robert C. Kuefner Jr. said:
I realize some might want to do that with their logos material if it was on a device like kindle, but I think if Bob and the Logos team could simply develop a kindle app with the new app store, which would access my logos books, I would read the hundreds of books I have in Logos format... man I can just imagine sitting down and reading through Luther's Works, or the Leadership Library, soaking it all in.
Bob, I agree.
One thing that would be important to me though, is that I DO LIKE to highlight.
So being able to read a book, highlight it on L4, then go to the Kindle and have the highlights already done show up, would really be great.
Going to the doctor's office is a great place for me to pull out my iPhone and proceed reading, where I left off. Then go back home and my Kindle has the changes in location noted and I read from where I took off.
I suspect that within 5 years, there will be some big changes to how ebooks work. For one, there will be more flexibility in reading some file formats on other devices. Perhaps Amazon will not permit other devices to read theirs, but you can already read Kindle on iPhone and on the PC. If Amazon permitted copying a .mobi file, then there would be little to hold them back.
Of course, the color might be nice. What I did with my Olivetree stuff is set a beige background with dark brown letters. Quite easy on my eyes.
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I would like to see Logos for Kindle as well.
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I received an email this morning from amazon.com evidently you can now install a Kindle app on your desktop. Is Logos going to create an app for Kindle?
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I read my Logos 4 Library on my Kindle everyday. Use the Web browser to access the mobile site. (library.logos.com) I logged in a long time ago with the basic browser and now access my Library with the browser in Advanced Mode. Not being Java enabled limits some features, but I read everyday without having to break out the laptop.
Rob
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Rob,
thanks for the tip.. .I used advanced mode and it worked! I'd still like to see an actual kindle app if it'd be possible, but this works, and allows me to get access to my books on my kindle so I can't complain...
Blessings,
Rob
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Rob and Rob,
Can you enlarge the font size for reading using this method?
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yes.
This has been possible with what I have been reading but like I
said, no java, so some things are not going to work right. (Like the
search box, you have to enter a edit mode by typing a character, then
manually deleting the default entry in order to enter your search
terms. Results are handled just fine though).Rob
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Robert Balsinger said:
I read my Logos 4 Library on my Kindle everyday. Use the Web browser to access the mobile site. (library.logos.com) I logged in a long time ago with the basic browser and now access my Library with the browser in Advanced Mode. Not being Java enabled limits some features, but I read everyday without having to break out the laptop.
Rob
Alas, the browser is disabled for international Kindle users... and I am based in the UK.
It is good that those based in the US are able to access their library on the Kindle... A Kindle app would be good for those of us who are based elsewhere in the world (and I suspect preferable to the browser for those based in the US).
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This was the first time I tried it as I didn't even know the Kindle had an advanced mode. It is ok. A little slow. But nice to have.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Robert Balsinger said:
I read my Logos 4 Library on my Kindle everyday. Use the Web browser to access the mobile site. (library.logos.com) I logged in a long time ago with the basic browser and now access my Library with the browser in Advanced Mode. Not being Java enabled limits some features, but I read everyday without having to break out the laptop.
ROB!!!
You know what you did?
You have fed my addiction!!!
I notice that the list of books is the same as what shows up on my iPhone, so I am still missing those resources, which Logos has still not gotten permission for. I was hoping (silly me), that the resources shown would be compatible with the actual list on L4; not the list on the iPhone.
I notice however, that I was able to open these resources, by going the route you "enlightened us" upon.
So thanks!!
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New to online access. Can I access my library online with the kindle with Libronix? I haven't updated to Logos.
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Any chance that someone could make a video of this and post it on YouTube or some other site? I would be really interested to see how this works, as well as how the quality compares to my imagination.
It seems great, but I also know that technology can seem better than it actually is. I've heard that the Kindle turns pages slowly, so I'd also be interested in seeing what that would be like.
(Does this mean that the BN reader and others can also access Logos online?)
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Joel J. said:
Any chance that someone could make a video of this and post it on YouTube or some other site? I would be really interested to see how this works, as well as how the quality compares to my imagination.
It seems great, but I also know that technology can seem better than it actually is. I've heard that the Kindle turns pages slowly, so I'd also be interested in seeing what that would be like.
(Does this mean that the BN reader and others can also access Logos online?)
It really has nothing to do with the reader, as much as it has to do with a device's ability to access the Internet.
In the same way a person might access their Logos from work, assuming they did not have L4 on their work machine, you can access your books thru this interface.
I tried it last night and here is what I found.
If you have a Kindle, there is an "Experimental" tab in the MENU dropdown. One is Basic Internet. From there, you just type in the web address indicated a few messages above. It is VERY SLOW. Once it worked though, it worked! All the books I see on my iPhone are available in this format.
But this is not a substitute for an iPhone. It is really for those, who do not have an iPhone and need access to their Logos books on a Kindle.
Frankly, the iPhone interface is quicker and easier. Period.
The drawbacks include the apparent inability to increase the font size. Accessing your books as indicated above, bring up the selection on of course, a black and white screen. The font appears as what you would expect to see in a contract, fine print. IF there is a simple "increase font size" button, I did not yet locate it.
I would druther have the Kindle able to access the Logos books directly, but in the absence, the iPhone would do, with the requisite improvements. Those include notes, highlights, etc.
It will be interesting to see, just how people feel about the Logos access by way of an iPad.
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To increase font on my Kindle I press 'AA' key located near the 'space' bar. A number of screen formatting options are available.
Rob
PS I just put the Kindle app on my BB 9530. I like.
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It appears that Logos has no plans to make Logos available on the Kindle.
“The Kindle just gives you a definition,” says Pritchett, who sees Amazon as competition and has not made Logos’ material available for the Kindle. “We are stepping way beyond that with a text comparison report, multiple translations and the difference in wording between those translations. It is a study tool, not just a reading tool.”
Jason Saling
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Hi Jason, this blog about "The Network Effect" further explains the value of the Logos approach.
http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/05/the_network_effect.html
Blessings
PS
I look forward to meeting with you at the upcoming presentation!
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Joe Miller said:
Hi Jason, this blog about "The Network Effect" further explains the value of the Logos approach.
http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/05/the_network_effect.html
Agreed! Logos on the iPad is amazing when compared to the limited features of the Kindle. I know many make fun of the iPad as simply being a larger iPod Touch, and in some respects that is true, but as an enhanced E-book Reader it is awesome!
Jason Saling
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Rob Suggs said:
It's built for reading, and it's great for that.
That is the point. That is why any book that you intend to read extensively, from cover to cover, will be better on a kindle than the "big screen." Now for Bible study, reference work, searching, etc. there is nothing like Logos on the computer. For reading, the Kindle is a thousand times better.
People are already reading their Logos resources on the Kindle. It is just awkward to do so now. The Kindle is such a popular format that I think Logos will eventually be more accommodating to it.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
I would love to be able to read L4 resources on my Kindle 2. But does anyone seriously think this will ever be a possibility?
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Ralph A. Abernethy III said:
I would love to be able to read L4 resources on my Kindle 2. But does anyone seriously think this will ever be a possibility?
You currently can read many of your L4 resources on the Kindle by going in the browser to library.logos.com.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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How well does that actually work? Would the $189 price be worth it?
I'm guessing no, but if you have a Kindle and think it'd be worth it, I'd love to be persuaded.
I will probably wait for the next model to see what is coming next, but who knows.
joel
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Joel J. said:
How well does that actually work? Would the $189 price be worth it?
I'm guessing no, but if you have a Kindle and think it'd be worth it, I'd love to be persuaded.
I will probably wait for the next model to see what is coming next, but who knows.
Joel-
The Kindle is not a device designed to access the Internet. Therefore, in using it to access Logos books from the library.logos.com is not FAST.
I attempted this, just to see for myself, what it worked like.
Went to the Internet site on my Kindle. Selected a book, by using search and typing in "Concordia", which is one of my commentaries.
It SLOWLY came up. I slowly move through the pages, to get to the reading part. You have to use the little "square mouse" in the Kindle. I moved it to the "right arrow" which you use in Kindle, to advance page. Except here, it takes 4 clicks.
It takes 12 seconds to advance one page. The pages are grouped, so the introductory section is 3 pages. I can use the "next page" button on the Kindle, to advance WITHIN THOSE 3 PAGES, but you must the 4-click mouse, to go to the next section.
Oops! My battery is draining quicker. The book on Kindle says it is about 125kB. Each time I click the mouse button to advance, it runs through the 125kb again and again.
Concordia Commentaries have thorough analysis in the original language. So in this case, the Book of Daniel, there should be Hebrew, but instead, lots of little boxes, due to the inability to display Hebrew fonts.
The hot links do show in the commentary. Clicking on one, it DOES GO to the appropriate place in Daniel. I clicked the BACK button and it did take me back to my originating point, so that DOES work.
The lettering is great, the charts come into Kindle great.
My assessment is that, if you want a means to read lots of books and have lightning fast delivery of books you buy online from Amazon, then Kindle is a good bet; especially at $189.
If you are wanting access to your Logos stuff (and assuming you are wanting to use a method other than your computer for reading), then I would either recommend an iPhone for the same relative amount of money (although the screen is small, the iPhone app from Logos is getting better and better), or else buy an iPad, which gives you even better functionality.
Good luck on your decision!
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Joel J. said:
How well does that actually work?
For the benefit of international customers, it should be noted that this will only work in the US. The internet browser (mark experimental) is not currently available internationally.
This is why I am so eager for Logos to consider introducing an export feature to enable books to be read on the Kindle/other e-readers. In an ideal world, it would be fantastic to be able to import notes and clippings from the aforementioned e-reader. Having said this, I am not greedy, I will settle for just being able to read my books on the Kindle [:)].
Not having this functionality does effect my purchasing habits. I was considering buying the NT Wright triology (recently on prepub) but didn't fancy reading 400+ page book on a computer screen. In the end, I bought the series in paperback (for a slightly higher cost).
I am considering purchasing an iPad over the next few months, but would still like to be able to read my collection via the Kindle. I do not see the iPad replacing my Kindle. As great as the iPad seems, the Kindle is (in my opinion) a more comfortable and 'authentic' (whatever that means) reading experience.
I see the iPad and Kindle serving slightly different purposes and it would be great to have functionality on both.
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Joel J. said:
How well does that actually work? Would the $189 price be worth it?
I'm guessing no, but if you have a Kindle and think it'd be worth it, I'd love to be persuaded.
I will probably wait for the next model to see what is coming next, but who knows.
I wouldn't buy a Kindle in order to view Logos on it. You'll probably be disappointed. But the Kindle is a good reading device due to the e-ink, connectedness, and long battery life. If you already own a Kindle you'll find that the ability to connect to Logos via library.logos.com is a great benefit.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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I'm sorry. I wasn't clear in expressing my wish to read Logos resources on my KIndle. What I meant was that I wish I could load certain L4 resources to my Kindle so I could simply read them. I prefer the e-ink display, as well as the size of the screen, to that of my ITouch or Android.
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But that's probably not going to happen, I would imagine.
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I agree. As a musician, I always understood that you could "format shift" from CD to MP3, as long as you didn't use both at the same time. In other words, you couldn't buy a CD, make MP3s, then sell the CD. That is obviously copyright infringement. But if it's for yourself, and you don't use both at the same time, I have always understood that to be fine.
Likewise, for personal use, I doubt that publishers care if you see it on your screen, print it out on paper, or print it on e-ink. As long as you buy the product and don't resell or distribute it, I think most publishers would see the common sense of that. Some people simply can't read well on the computer and need an easier-to-read format.
In fact, I have not purchased some Logos books because it is too hard on my eyes to read. Publishers probably know that if they encouraged printing to Kindle, for example, they'd have more business. I just can't read some of this stuff on a computer screen.
I don't even own a Kindle right now, but I'm speaking theoretically.
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Michael Childs said:
Hello Michael,
I own both a Kindle and an iPad. I agree with you 100%. The iPad is much better for Bible study, but the Kindle is "a thousand times better" when I just want to read a book.
Bill
Rob Suggs said:It's built for reading, and it's great for that.
That is the point. That is why any book that you intend to read extensively, from cover to cover, will be better on a kindle than the "big screen." Now for Bible study, reference work, searching, etc. there is nothing like Logos on the computer. For reading, the Kindle is a thousand times better.
People are already reading their Logos resources on the Kindle. It is just awkward to do so now. The Kindle is such a popular format that I think Logos will eventually be more accommodating to it.
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Some people export a section of a Logos book as a pdf, (maybe convert the pdf to a mobi file) and then read it on the Kindle. It works very well.Ralph A. Abernethy III said:I'm sorry. I wasn't clear in expressing my wish to read Logos resources on my KIndle. What I meant was that I wish I could load certain L4 resources to my Kindle so I could simply read them. I prefer the e-ink display, as well as the size of the screen, to that of my ITouch or Android.
It does seem to me as long as you don't share it, and delete it when you have read it, that this is fair use. Others disagree. You have to decide for yourself if this is ethical.
However, people are reading their Logos library on the Kindle.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0
