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tom collinge said:
Bob was a developer. Bob is no longer a developer; he is the CEO(?) of a for-profit company.Ryan said:Bob was a developer,
That is correct.
If it was a rebuttal of some sort I fail to see it's relevance.
I do have a slick quote for you-
[quote]When Christian book publishing becomes primarily a business to make money and not a ministry to make disciples, it ceases to be Christian.
-Burk Parsons
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Ryan said:
Just because something is free doesn't make the invasion of an advertisement justified.
Version 2.0 beta will be out soon as described in another thread here. It says there:
"On 7" readers or phone sized devices the app opens directly to the Read view. You can use the top left "App Control" gripper to access other app functions."
Thus, you may never see any ads again unless you use the App Control Gripper to find them.
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Ryan said:
When Christian book publishing becomes primarily a business to make money and not a ministry to make disciples, it ceases to be Christian.
-Burk Parsons
It appears that you are putting a label on Logos that Bob does not. Bob has repeated stated that Logos is not a "Christian ..." (fill in the blank). He claims that Logos is a for-profit company.
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I tried to find the Biblical basis for bringing businesses or other organizations to Christ but I must have built my search wrong. So I went on the web to see if I could find any samples of services welcoming a corporations into the church - still struck out. Logos is a publisher of Christian books which I assume parallels the scribal duties some Biblical authors farmed out so I've got that part covered. They even subscribe* to a statement of faith of a publishers' group for evangelical materials - for those things that they are the publisher of ... not a republiisher. Can anyone help with Biblical references, search arguments, anything ....[8-)]
* notice they don't subPharisee or subSadducee which gives us some additional biblical clues.
By the way I so rarely actually look at the front page, I had no idea that it frequently carried multiple ads. For myself, it is a non-issue.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I tried to find the Biblical basis for bringing businesses or other organizations to Christ but I must have built my search wrong. So I went on the web to see if I could find any samples of services welcoming a corporations into the church - still struck out. Logos is a publisher of Christian books which I assume parallels the scribal duties some Biblical authors farmed out so I've got that part covered. They even subscribe* to a statement of faith of a publishers' group for evangelical materials - for those things that they are the publisher of ... not a republiisher. Can anyone help with Biblical references, search arguments, anything ....
This is the closest thing that I have found was Matt 21:12.
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Anyone that puts the cross of Christ on their product logos to enhance their marketing is saying 'Hey I'm Christian - buy me!'.
It doesn't require exegeted words from the CEO, a majority of the partnership, maybe a voting majority of the shareholders or a paid chaplain on-board.
Here in Sedona, various businesses do the same, and everyone (including non-Christians) is expectant the marketing device has an equivalency to their behavior. Unfortunately and more often than not, in the absence of the latter, it's the 'cross' that gets the blame.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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The only reason I put the above quote was as food for thought, it holds no bearing on my previously posted beefs with the application's advertising.
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DMB said:
Anyone that puts the cross of Christ on their product logos to enhance their marketing is saying 'Hey I'm Christian - buy me!'.
I disagree. For me, a cross (or any other Christian symbol) on a product simply tells me the company's target audience; it is the company's marketing ploy to sell more products/services/etc...
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tom collinge said:
I disagree. For me, a cross (or any other Christian symbol) on a product simply tells me the company's target audience; it is the company's marketing ploy to sell more products/services/etc...
This is insanely offensive.
Logos is pimping the cross of Christ to turn a buck?
Stay classy my friend.
I considered Logos a Christian Publishing company. They hold to a statement of Faith, and given Bob's interviews, it was a personal hobby turned business. I don't believe they use the cross to capture the attention of all of the "Jesus Fanclub" to get rich quick.
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Ryan said:
This is insanely offensive.
Logos is pimping the cross of Christ to turn a buck?
Stay classy my friend.
I considered Logos a Christian Publishing company. They hold to a statement of Faith, and given Bob's interviews, it was a personal hobby turned business. I don't believe they use the cross to capture the attention of all of the "Jesus Fanclub" to get rich quick.
Ryan, my statement was not directed to any company in particular. My statement is accurate. When I see a cross, the word Christian, or any other standard Christian symbol or word on ANY product, my first thought it is a marketing ploy to increase sales.
Let us use Logos as an example, and let us say that everything is the same with the one exception that they did not use the cross as part of their symbol. Instead, they used the caduceus as part of their symbol. Would this change increase or decrease their sales? I would say that their sales would decrease. Therefor, using the cross as part of their symbol does increase sales. Does the term that I use in the above post "ploy" fit Logos? I don't think so.
I will say that the word "ploy" does fit most of the time. Just look at the many televangelists on TV. My contacts within the Christian music circles tell me that there is nothing Christian in the Christian music world (NOTE, I do not have any first hand knowledge in this case, just repeating what a couple of people have told me). And what is so Christian about a lawn care company? Do they cut the grass in the shape of a cross? Every time I press a company's representative on this, they give me the ethics that they use. The problem is that the ethics that they use are not Christian ethics, but humanist ethics. Nothing wrong with humanist ethics, I like them. But the fact of the matter is that humanist ethics are not the ethics that separates Christianity from the rest of the world. And don't even get me going on Christian counselors. My experience with Christian counselors has been "very very very bad." All of the ones that I have been around use the bible as a way to control and abuse people.
As you can see, I do not like Christian TV, radio, counselors, bookstores, etc...
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Very good answer Tom.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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tom collinge said:
But the fact of the matter is that humanist ethics are not the ethics that separates Christianity from the rest of the world. And don't even get me going on Christian counselors. My experience with Christian counselors has been "very very very bad." All of the ones that I have been around use the bible as a way to control and abuse people.
As you can see, I do not like Christian TV, radio, counselors, bookstores, etc...
Your experience, and the behavior of others doesn't dictate the definition of the symbol.
I'm very critical as well of those claiming to be Christian TV, radio, counselors, bookstores, etc, the fact is they're not Christian.
Back on point, ads are annoying.
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new beta version ends this thread. You only have to see the advertisements if you choose to goo to the home page, same as the laptop/desktop version. Now you'll have to go there yourself each month to learn what the free download is.
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