"report typo" gone?
I noticed today that the "report typo" doesn't appear anymore when right clicking on a selection of text or a word.
In Little Kittle under μεθοδεια they list Eph 4:11 as an occurrence but should read Eph 4:14 - the hyperlink to 4:11 works fine, which shows why the reference is wrong 
I tried right clicking words and selections in other resources and don't see the "report typo" option at all. Is it gone?
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Doug Dunbar said:
I noticed today that the "report typo" doesn't appear anymore when right clicking on a selection of text or a word.
Hi, Doug:
When you right click on highlighted text, look in the right pane of the dialog and make sure that "Selection" is active, not "Reference." Report Typo only appears when "Selection" is active. (It took me several tries to figure this out, so don't feel bad.)
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Also "report typo" only appears when online. I don't know if that is relevant in your case
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Doug Dunbar said:
In Little Kittle
Can you your post the complete title of the book if one of the above suggestions has not helped? I'm having trouble finding anything with "Little Kittle" in it.
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Tommy Ball said:Doug Dunbar said:
In Little Kittle
Can you your post the complete title of the book if one of the above suggestions has not helped? I'm having trouble finding anything with "Little Kittle" in it.
It's "The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, Abridged in One Volume" by Gerhard Kittel
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I can't seem to find that word in the abridged version. When I do a search for that word in the Abrdiged TDNT I don't get any hits, but I see the section in TDNT. In the TDNT the link is correct for me.
Doug, can you click the 'i' in the top right-hand corner of the book panel, and paste in a reply the information you see under the "Support info" section?
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Tommy Ball said:
I can't seem to find that word in the abridged version. When I do a search for that word in the Abrdiged TDNT I don't get any hits, but I see the section in TDNT. In the TDNT the link is correct for me.
Same with me. As in TDNT ("Big Kittel"), the entry for methodeia in Abridged TDNT ("Little Kittel") is under hodos - I made a screen shot for you:
Support Info for Little Kittel: LLS:46.10.1 - 2009-10-27T02:22:45Z - TDNTA.logos4
FWIW, unlike Doug I could use Report Typo and have just done so.
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Thank you, N.B. I was using the Greek characters, and you found it in Latin characters. [:)]
Doug, are you still unable to see the "Report typo" option in the context menu (right-click menu) for the 4:11 reference? If not, can you post a screen shot of the reference selected on the right side of the context menu?
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Tommy Ball said:
I can't seem to find that word in the abridged version. When I do a search for that word in the Abrdiged TDNT I don't get any hits, but I see the section in TDNT. In the TDNT the link is correct for me.
I couldn't find it in either first, but your finding it in the full version eventually gave the clue: it's under ὁδός. Try logosres:tdnta;hw=$CE$BC$CE$B5$CE$B8$CE$BF$CE$B4$CE$B5$CE$B9$CC$81$CE$B1;off=20900 (I think that's the funniest looking Logos link I've seen so far. [:)]) Though you don't necessarily need to. It is indeed incorrect and I reported it as a typo.
However, in the process I also found that A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint : Revised Edition is missing all links to the Theological Lexicon of the New Testament. Feel free to report that instead. The typo function isn't very good for that kind of thing.
EDIT: I guess I was too slow...
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fgh said:
Try logosres:tdnta;hw=$CE$BC$CE$B5$CE$B8$CE$BF$CE$B4$CE$B5$CE$B9$CC$81$CE$B1;off=20900 (I think that's the funniest looking Logos link I've seen so far.
) Looks like a very expensive resource [8-|]
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fgh said:
However, in the process I also found that A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint : Revised Edition is missing all links to the Theological Lexicon of the New Testament. Feel free to report that instead.
I'm not sure where in A Greek-English Leixcon of the Septuagint: Revised Edition you are expecting to see links to the TDNT. Can you post an annotated screenshot of the panel where you would expect the link to be?
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Tommy Ball said:
I'm not sure where in A Greek-English Leixcon of the Septuagint: Revised Edition you are expecting to see links to the TDNT.
I'm not. I'm expecting to see links to the Theological Lexicon of the New Testament. (TDNT = Theological Dictionary of the New Testament).
I don't have Logos open for the moment, and not enough free RAM to open it, but I think it was referred to as SPICQ 1978a.
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fgh said:Tommy Ball said:
I'm not sure where in A Greek-English Leixcon of the Septuagint: Revised Edition you are expecting to see links to the TDNT.
I'm not. I'm expecting to see links to the Theological Lexicon of the New Testament. (TDNT = Theological Dictionary of the New Testament).
I don't have Logos open for the moment, and not enough free RAM to open it, but I think it was referred to as SPICQ 1978a.
I don't have Logos open, either, but if I recall correct, there are dozens of articles were the Septuagint lexicon referred to TDNT with a --> TDNT; in the sense of: "for this lemma, the explanations in TDNT hold true for LXX as well and therefore we save space here, just look it up", but click on this only gave that TDNT is abbreviated for Theological dictionary of the NT and a further --> to a brief entry on Kittel. This reflects the functionality (or lack thereof) of a printed book, but imho this is very bad execution for Logos. I'd assume that links to TLNT (and maybe other lexicons and things in Logos) were built in the same unsatifactory manner.
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NB.Mick said:
if I recall correct, there are dozens of articles were the Septuagint lexicon referred to TDNT
Of course, if there are TDNT references that aren't properly linked, those should be fixed as well. My "I'm not" only meant to say that my earlier post wasn't referring to the TDNT but to the TLNT, since those were the references I'd happened to see.
NB.Mick said:I'd assume that links to TLNT (and maybe other lexicons and things in Logos) were built in the same unsatifactory manner.
As I recall, there were no links whatsoever. Not even to a popup with the name of the book.
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fgh said:NB.Mick said:
if I recall correct, there are dozens of articles were the Septuagint lexicon referred to TDNT
Of course, if there are TDNT references that aren't properly linked, those should be fixed as well. My "I'm not" only meant to say that my earlier post wasn't referring to the TDNT but to the TLNT, since those were the references I'd happened to see.
NB.Mick said:I'd assume that links to TLNT (and maybe other lexicons and things in Logos) were built in the same unsatifactory manner.
As I recall, there were no links whatsoever. Not even to a popup with the name of the book.
You are right. Again I made a screenshot.
To the left, we see the LXX lexicon entry for μεσίτης - it refers us readers to Spicq (i.e. TLNT), TWNT (=TDNT) and NIDNTT, but none of these links work. Spicq is dead and TWNT and NIDNTT are just abbreviation explanations.
The same happens in other entries for e.g. Louw-Nida and Lidell & Scott. To the right in my above screenshot, we see TLNT for the same entry: it really links to the respective entries in all the lexicons.
My personal workaround is prioritizing the (incomplete) Spicq above Louw-Nida (my currently favourite lexicon), so double-click on a greek lemma will often open TLNT that gives me the other options.
EDIT: PS: I fully realize that it would be more than a small effort to include all these reference links and have them point to they respective entries. Thus for me, I'd rather have no links than a link that I click in anticipation, only to be explained once again that TWNT stands for TDNT - dooh. An absolute minimum first step would be to link the titles in the bibliography to the Logos resources and to link at least these (like Spicq) fully from the entries to the bibliography.
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Thanks, Mick.
Well, if the Septuagint Lexicon isn't already on their shortlist of resources to update, it clearly needs to be moved there.
NB.Mick said:I fully realize that it would be more than a small effort to include all these reference links and have them point to they respective entries
Is that so? Surely those who know these things can fairly easily code a more advanced "find and replace" that inserts most links in one go. Hey, even I can do that for a PB, if there's enough links to one and the same source for it to be worth the effort. I don't think lots of links to a few sources create that much problem, especially when they go to things like the TDNT and the TLNT, which I presume they've already got scripts for. I would imagine that it's much worse with the kind of book that only quotes each source once or twice, requiring virtually every link to be done manually.
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I'm looking into this
NB.Mick: Can you post as screen (or a link to that location in that book) illustrating the behavior your cite here:
NB.Mick said:The same happens in other entries for e.g. Louw-Nida and Lidell & Scott.
Thank you.
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Tommy Ball said:
NB.Mick: Can you post as screen (or a link to that location in that book) illustrating the behavior your cite here:
NB.Mick said:The same happens in other entries for e.g. Louw-Nida and Lidell & Scott.
Sorry, for whatever reason now I can't find a reference to LN in the book at all, besides bibliography and introduction. Don't find again where I thought I saw that *shrug*
With regards to L&S it seems I tricked myself with the references to L&S versus L&S Supplement and L&S Revised Supplement. Actually, L&S itself seems to be not cited (only the two supplements), but is linked from the bibliography, much like M&M which is cited (i.e. from the click on the reference, Logos will open the resource, but only to the title page, not to the respective entry).
Further missing links in the resource I found with respect to NIDOTTE:
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NB.Mick said:
With regards to L&S it seems I tricked myself with the references to L&S versus L&S Supplement and L&S Revised Supplement. Actually, L&S itself seems to be not cited (only the two supplements)
I don't have L&S, but doesn't the Logos edition have the supplement integrated into it: http://www.logos.com/features/prepub?
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fgh, Peace! thanks so much for that sharing that link ... I had forgotten that incident, and it's good to review it again!
http://www.logos.com/features/prepub
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I did some digging and here is the current word:
The Spicq is in reference to the 1978 Theological Lexicon of the New Testament which we do not have; we do however have the 1994 English translation, but that has a different page numbering system, which makes tagging it very difficult because it would always lead to the wrong edition.
TWNT and NIDNTT aren't links but abbreviation tags. If they had page or reference numbers the ywyould be tagged for those books. We don't have theTWNT (early TDNT) and the TDNT has a different page numbering system, which is explicitly why it is not tagged. We only obtained the NIDNTT early this year, and if we were to take the abridged TDNT through a "recycle" process, al lwe would do is attach abbreviation tags for NIDNTT to the title page.
That having been said, my inquiry about this has been sent up to those who do recycles to see if there is a reasonable way to do that.
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Tommy Ball said:
I did some digging and here is the current word:
The Spicq is in reference to the 1978 Theological Lexicon of the New Testament which we do not have; we do however have the 1994 English translation, but that has a different page numbering system, which makes tagging it very difficult because it would always lead to the wrong edition. ...We don't have theTWNT (early TDNT) and the TDNT has a different page numbering system
Tommy, thanks for your effort.
What I don't really understand is your explanation which keeps recurring to page numbers. If I'm not mistaken, all the resources discussed are indexed according to Greek lemmas (lemmata? say headwords), which is the point. When the editors of the LXX lexicon wrote their printed book, (with the curious exception of TLNT) they referenced lexicons differently than articles from journals or books: they didn't give the page number of where to find the entries - they expected the readers to look up the respective lemma in their copy of TDNT, MM, LSJSuppl or NIDNTT. I think that's what some users may expect Logos to do for them on mouseclick, regardless of whether the source was put into the lexicon's bibliography in its French, German or English edition.
This even concurs with the editors of LXX Lexicon, since they give the bibliographic entry for TWNT as such: KITTEL, G. & FRIEDRICH, G., Theologisches Wörterbuch zum Neuen Testament, 11 vols., Stuttgart, 1933–1979; = Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, 10 vols., Grand Rapids, MI, 1964–1976. They don't care for TWNT or TDNT, since both have (in all material aspects) the same content. Note that the 10 Vol TDNT copyrights from 1964, which date I find on the TDNT title page and in the resource info (even though Rick Brannan's preface to the electronic edition is from 2000).
To link Spicq from the reference to the bibliography, and to link all Logos-available resources from the bibliography at least to their title page might be a first step, although having "deep links" would be much preferable - you may choose to give an editor's note explaining the electronic enhancements, like TDNT has as a foreword.
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Mick, thanks once more for saving me the trouble of writing. [:D]
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We're looking into a couple of ways that we can improve the tagging in this resource. In some sense, hyperlinking the references to other lexicons is redundant with the other, more flexible, routes that are available for looking up the same headword in another resource (double-click, right-click, left/right arrow, parallel resources, new tab, link sets). These kinds of references often present problems that make it preferable to just rely on these routes, but, in this case, I think it should be do-able and worthwhile for the added convenience.
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Thanks, Lou.
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Thanks for the update. That was quick.[*] I notice you didn't link Spicq the way you did the others, but I guess I can use Parallel Resources for that.
Now, if you could convince the developers to put a scrollbar and a draggable corner on popups, instead of just letting them continue below the screen...
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Wow, I missed that update last week - the links to MM and TDNT really get one to the right place! (I'm sure those to NIDNTT etc as well, I just lack the resources) Spiqc goes to the title page, but the TOC will probably help. I didn't expect this leap in the usability in a so short timeframe - this is really cool! Thanks!
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fgh said:NB.Mick said:
Spiqc goes to the title page, but the TOC will probably help.
It's faster to use the + for a new tab, the Parallel Resources button, or just the right/left arrows. All of those will take you directly to the correct entry.
Yes, you're right, this is faster. Thanks.
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Thank Lou. I didn't think of it either until I reread his post. If I'd been in a lexicon without references to other lexicons, I would have thought of it, but because the references are there I expect them to link and stop stop thinking for myself.
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