List of New Testament Commands
In a small group Bible study we are getting ready to discuss all of the new testament commands. I was hoping to have a book that listed all of the commands given by Christ and then the commandments given by the Apostles. I have done a search of my library for the word "commands" in large text, topic and heading text. Most returns dealt with the Ten Commandments or had obvious omissions.
Does anyone know of a list like this in Logos? The best that I have come up with thus far are: (1) Curiosities of the Bible Pertaining to Scripture Persons, Places and Things: What Christians Should Be. (2) New Nave's Topical Bible: Commandments. (3) Willmington's Book of Bile Lists: Command's to Believers.
Would you agree that these resources are a comprehensive list once went through?
I truly appreciate your help on this. I have Scholar's Silver, eBible (I think the largest package) and some extra add on's.
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Our Pastor has been preaching on the Sermon on the Mount from Matthew. Many are familiar that these are referred to as the 'Be attitudes'. Jesus' sermon here could be understood as commands. Within that discourse we find many things that Jesus is teaching about being part of the kingdom of God: Salt & Light, He did not come to abolish the law but fulfill it (the Pastor had an interesting point on Mt 5:20 and our righteousness; bottom line was that we needed Jesus' Righteousness as ours is insufficient).
Just thought this might not show up in your search and seemed relevant to Jesus' commands to us.
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This is a book that needs to be written. In some circles it is being taught that to focus on obedience is a form of legalism. Instead, we should simply meditate on the Gospel and sanctification will take place automatically. It is an old heresy that continues to recirculate.
If you will write this book I will buy a copy!
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Thanks for the responses. I think that they confirmed my hunch that a book dedicated to this subject was not available in Logos..
My lists do include Matthew 5 Thanks for the heads-up and your thoughts.
I don't think that I am at the level of writing a book but I sure wish that someone would and maybe add a little commentary to start discussion on each topic. [Y]
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Have you done a search of imperative verbs on the words of Jesus?
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MJ. Smith said:
Have you done a search of imperative verbs on the words of Jesus?
I have done a search for imperative verbs but did not know you could limit them to the words of Jesus.
There are a ton of imperatives in the New testament [:)]
I'll go back and take a look at that now. Thanks!0 -
Found how to do it. Thanks MJ!
Edit: Well, I thought that I found how to do it but keep getting zero results. Will find a tutorial. [Y]
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Rick said:
Found how to do it. Thanks MJ!
Edit: Well, I thought that I found how to do it but keep getting zero results. Will find a tutorial.
I suspect I know what you're attempting to do and unfortunately the search doesn't work quite that way. Searching the Words of Christ will only work for English, not Greek-level searches. A work-around is to use a passage list of the verses that contain the words of Christ (see: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/16724/126565.aspx ) and then use it to limit an imperative verb search. Let me know if you'd like me to draw up some more detailed instructions, but I think you'll be able to figure it out.
Prov. 15:23
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Rick said:
Have you done a search of imperative verbs on the words of Jesus?
A number of years ago, I did a comprehensive study but in time, the file became corrupted and I lost the data. However, it was far from perfect. I did go the route of imperatives but it is a limited shortcut. It all depends on how a commandment is defined. For instance, the incident with the poor widow is clearly provided as an exhortation to sacrificial generosity and devotion to the Lord, but it is not couched in the form of an imperative.
There are many other examples. I suppose that what you are looking for is a comprehensive list what can be considered as mandates for disciples of Jesus? I commend such a search.
If it is of any use to you, I can tell you that I had arrived at the following conclusion: there are very few actually quantifiable or specific practices (eg, intercession, evangelism, helping the poor). Many are broader and applicable in a variety of situations that are not quantifiable (eg, love your neighbour as yourself). It's not something where you can say "do I love my neighbour enough?". And the application and maturation is lifelong and endless.
In addition to practices, there are many virtues, attitudes and behaviours (eg, patience, longsuffering, mercy, etc). These involve long term and ongoing character development in Christ-likeness. You can even progress and then regress and then progress again and then regress again (eg, self-control, faith, hope, joy).
These are all the will of God for the disciple but cannot be limited to the concept of commandment.
There are some resources that could get you started. One is Willmington's book of lists. It does have a section of 127 commandments to believers all from the NT. Another that can be used for the purposes of such a study is "Every Teaching of Jesus in the Bible" though of course it does not cover the whole NT. Nave's has also a long list of references under "commandments".
Blessings in your study!
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Rick said:
Found how to do it. Thanks MJ!
Edit: Well, I thought that I found how to do it but keep getting zero results. Will find a tutorial.
Rick, I would begin by doing a morph search for @V??M????. From there you can make this into a visual filter which will allow you to see them in context as you are reading your Bible. Note, however, that commands are not always Greek imperatives. For instance, Matt 5:34 doesn't have an imperative, but it is clearly a command.
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Gary O'Neal said:
Rick, I would begin by doing a morph search for @V??M????. From there you can make this into a visual filter which will allow you to see them in context as you are reading your Bible. Note, however, that commands are not always Greek imperatives. For instance, Matt 5:34 doesn't have an imperative, but it is clearly a command.
Along with searching for verbs in the imperative mood @V??M (finds 7 uses in Matt 6:9-13), suggest searching for command with match all word forms, which includes John 13:35
Searching for "I say to you" finds much to ponder.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Rick said:
In a small group Bible study we are getting ready to discuss all of the new testament commands. I was hoping to have a book that listed all of the commands given by Christ and then the commandments given by the Apostles. I have done a search of my library for the word "commands" in large text, topic and heading text. Most returns dealt with the Ten Commandments or had obvious omissions.
Does anyone know of a list like this in Logos? The best that I have come up with thus far are: (1) Curiosities of the Bible Pertaining to Scripture Persons, Places and Things: What Christians Should Be. (2) New Nave's Topical Bible: Commandments. (3) Willmington's Book of Bile Lists: Command's to Believers.
Would you agree that these resources are a comprehensive list once went through?
I truly appreciate your help on this. I have Scholar's Silver, eBible (I think the largest package) and some extra add on's.
IMHO, there are two commands.
Mat 22: 37b - 40: 37b You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” 38This is the greatest and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’
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tom collinge said:
IMHO, there are two commands.
Mat 22: 37b - 40: 37b You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” 38This is the greatest and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’
That's it, Tom! [:D]
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tom collinge said:
IMHO, there are two commands.
Mat 22: 37b - 40: 37b You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” 38This is the greatest and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’
“Being a Christan is less about cautiously avoiding sin than about courageously and actively doing God's will.”
― Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Danny Baskin said:
IMHO, there are two commands.
Mat 22: 37b - 40: 37b You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” 38This is the greatest and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’
The Lord did not say there were only two commandments but that these two are the first and the second. I agree that they are fundamental and preminent. However, if we only had them, we would lack a lot of content to what it means to do either one. It would be left to anyone's guess to know what is the best way to love God or our neighbour. Even love itself needs definition. The many other commandments help flesh out in practice what it means to put these two into practice. This is why the biblical authors -- even in the NT -- were not redundant when they detailed many of these commandments and exhortations.
Moreover, there is the specialized application of the second commandment which is also the commandment of Jesus: love one another.
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Peter Covert said:
“Being a Christan is less about cautiously avoiding sin than about courageously and actively doing God's will.”
― Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Being a Christian is less about adopting principles formulated by well-meaning but not canonical people and more about following what the Bible actually says.
In this case, with all due respect to Bonhoeffer for whom I have great respect, there is no need to lessen the importance of caution with regard to disobedience versus that courage in obedience when the Bible -- that is God Himself -- stresses both.
Blessings.
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Francis said:
there is no need to lessen the importance of caution with regard to disobedience versus that courage in obedience when the Bible -- that is God Himself -- stresses both.
Well said.
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As I think about this thread, it seems that we could use this as a test case for working together on a project toward a result we could all use.
In the end someone could post a "final" Passage List of scriptures as a *docx file which we could all download and use to compile a Personal Book. Logos' tools enable us to do this.
- Doing a morph search on imperatives does omit a number of commands,
- I like: KS4J's "I say to you" search.
- Maybe searching on the word "do" would yield more results to add top a Passage List.
- There may be some other scriptures too
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Ron, the problem is that searching for imperatives includes also numerous irrelevant results (all the imperatives in narratives that are not commands for all believers).
I think that your idea is interesting, akin to what a wiki does. In the present case, as I mentioned before, there is important work to be put into defining the criteria for selecting something as a mandate for believers. Do we include implicit mandates (found in parables, positive and negative examples, etc)? Some of these defy any particular set of grammatical markers. As one who has done the study in the past and more than once, I know that the criteria deal is extremely important or it leads to mess and frustration. As far as tagging the passages, I concluded that there is no way to avoid combing through all the passages systematically.
Still, if a team agreed to work together and criteria were clearly defined and agreed on, we could take different part of the NT so as to lessen the load.
These projects are very interesting and profitable but often daunting when undertaken alone. One solution I have adopted is progressive passage lists. I know topics I want to study comprehensively and as I read and do other projects, I keep adding to corresponding passage lists references I find. This of course can take several years. I have one going on election for instance. I have also tagged many passages on evangelism, discipleship, etc.
Perhaps others have developed other tools or methods they have found effective?
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On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets...
The first four of The TEN Commandments tell us how to love our Eternal Father YHWH.
The remaining six tell us how to love our neighbor as our self.
The (re)New(ed) Covenant gives further insight and revelation to the Covenant to Abraham, the Father of Faith.
In
Ps 119, rather than just "Law" or "Commands," there are also
instructions, judgments, and precepts. Perhaps we could widen our
perspective from just "commands." Just a thought.I have a list of roughly 800 Scriptures from the Apostolic Writings [New
Covenant] - if interested you can email me <shofarout at g mail
dot com> delete spaces. It is a 19 page Word document which can be built into a Personal Book for use in Logos.Otherwise, one could do a web search for "new covenant commands," with variations.
Let
us remember that "The Law" was written by the Finger of YHWH on stone
tablets (because of our stoney hearts). In the (re)New(ed) Covenant by
faith in Messiah we have a new heart, and His Law is written on our
hearts. Je 31:31-33.Grace is how Father shows His Love for us; obedience to The Word is how we show our love for Him.
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Dr David Betts said:
"The Law" was written by the Finger of YHWH on stone
tablets (because of our stoney hearts)I don't think that this is the point of 2 Corinthians 3:2-8, that is, that the stony tablets symbolizes stony hearts. It was just a writing medium and inscribing it on stone was useful to provide the durability needed for a token of God's direct writing focused on the ten commandments. Rock has also positive symbolic associations that could also be part of the picture such as permanence, stability, faithfulness, etc.
Today, we have the law and every other aspect of God's will that we know written on paper (or electronic media). It is when the Word of God is internalized as one submits to the Spirit that it becomes inscribed on the heart as well. This is what Paul was saying about the Corinthians: they bore witness by whom they were to the ministry of the Spirit in them. But it is through the ministry of the Scriptures (written on parchment) that it happened.
The reason I write this is that I know of folks who misapply such passages and would dispense of the written word for supposedly superior ecstatic revelation. I do not say that this is what you are doing but this is why I am writing this.
Blessings!
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Kevin Becker said:
I suspect I know what you're attempting to
do and unfortunately the search doesn't work quite that way. Searching
the Words of Christ will only work for English, not Greek-level
searches.Thanks for the help Kevin. Working with the
English is what I was trying to do. I'll keep working on it and consult
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There has been a lot of great ideas brought up (to many to answer individually) and I appreciate them all. Thank you.
Ron Corbett said:As I think about this thread, it seems that we could use this as a test case for working together on a project toward a result we could all use.
That is a great idea, unfortunately I have learned that this is not really possible on these forums due to the diversity of the group. I figured that there would be a comment or two criticizing this study for legalism but not what it has turned in to. To Logos and those that I have offended by posting the study question I apologize [:(]
I am used to being called everything from a legalist to a cultist but I have my faith and it will take a very strong argument and revealing from God to change it.
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I started working on this and have been enjoying the process. I hope to have a rough draft to post before too long. Anyone who likes may download it.
The problem (which has already been stated) is that not all commands are universal, not all PRINCIPLES, EXHORTATIONS, INSTRUCTIONS, EXAMPLES WE SHOULD FOLLOW, IMPLICATIONS DERIVED FROM TEACHINGS OR PARABLES, etc are in "command form".It gets very sticky and I am not quick to hit the DELETE button so ... there will be some work left for those who want this. I simply submit it as a starting point for such a study.
Steps I took:
1. Created a Passage List doing a BIBLE search for: "I say to you" in WORDS OF CHRIST in Whole NEW TESTAMENT in ESV [I edited this list.]2. Created another Passsage List [using same search parameters] on "do". Out of 290 verses, I edited out verses that didn't seem to fit. [a very sparing editing of the list]
3. When I am done, I will do a merge of the lists which will give me one comprehensive list with no duplicates. [This list is draft #1.]
4. I created a Passage List with all the Words of Christ in the ESV.
5.This I search for IMPERATIVES. [Doing a morph search: @V??M using the ESV text]
6. I will do a merge and unite with draft #1 in a way that creates a list of all those verses that are NOT common to both lists.
7. Lastly I will edit this list and then merge these results with the last list and I hope to have a pretty good representation of the Commands of the Messiah.
NOTE: As I said, I included some verses in my list that may or may not be properly classified as COMMANDS [ie - Mat 5:19 and Mat 15:3 - which is the summary of His correction stated in vss. 4-6 (The message of vss. 3-6 being: DO NOT break a commandment of God for the sake of your tradition).]
My next post will hopefully contain the document link. I am almost done with the second draft.
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It's not exactly what you are talking about, but you may find it intersting. I recently reviewed a book called "The Jesus Mission" and it talks about commands that Christ gave to us.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Jesus-Mission-completed-twenty-seven/dp/0307730492
You can read my review at:
http://davidtaylorjr1985.blogspot.com/2012/08/book-review-jesus-mission.html
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There's another one worth mentioning but is not available in Logos. It's Meredith's Book of Bible Lists. Great supplement to all the ones you've mentioned!
Blessings!
DAL
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DAL said:
There's another one worth mentioning but is not available in Logos. It's Meredith's Book of Bible Lists.
You can get this book in your Logos library through Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/products/search?q=Meredith%27s+Book+of+Bible+Lists
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No, Jesus did not say those were the only commands.
But, let's be honest here. Has anyone actually mastered those two? None of the others matter if we can't even get these two down.Francis said:
The Lord did not say there were only two commandments but that these two are the first and the second. I agree that they are fundamental and preminent. However, if we only had them, we would lack a lot of content to what it means to do either one. It would be left to anyone's guess to know what is the best way to love God or our neighbour. Even love itself needs definition. The many other commandments help flesh out in practice what it means to put these two into practice. This is why the biblical authors -- even in the NT -- were not redundant when they detailed many of these commandments and exhortations.Moreover, there is the specialized application of the second commandment which is also the commandment of Jesus: love one another.
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David P. Moore said:DAL said:
There's another one worth mentioning but is not available in Logos. It's Meredith's Book of Bible Lists.
You can get this book in your Logos library through Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/products/search?q=Meredith%27s+Book+of+Bible+Lists
I'm starting to no like Vyrso books, I don't need something that just displays in L4 for reading, I want it to be able to interact with everything else.
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LegendsOfBatman said:
No, Jesus did not say those were the only commands.
But, let's be honest here. Has anyone actually mastered those two? None of the others matter if we can't even get these two down.Making progress in the "others" is precisely how one makes progress in mastering "those two". A meal is eaten one bite at a time.
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David Taylor Jr said:
I'm starting to no like Vyrso books, I don't need something that just displays in L4 for reading, I want it to be able to interact with everything else.
Isn't Vyrso just for reading fiction? As you point out, it isn't designed for study, which is why I've never used it.
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David Paul said:David Taylor Jr said:
I'm starting to no like Vyrso books, I don't need something that just displays in L4 for reading, I want it to be able to interact with everything else.
Isn't Vyrso just for reading fiction? As you point out, it isn't designed for study, which is why I've never used it.
Yes, however, there are some theological books, and good reference books in there as well that are not avail in the Logos format.
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David Taylor Jr said:
Yes, however, there are some theological books, and good reference books in there as well that are not avail in the Logos format.
Yes, which I find rather strange. Curious.
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1 Jn. 2:7 Gen. 1:1
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David Paul said:
Isn't Vyrso just for reading fiction? As you point out, it isn't designed for study, which is why I've never used it.
David - Technically, Vyrso is for "trade" books. This would include most books in your local "christian" book store. Everything from "Amish romance novels," biographies, books on parenting, "how to have a quiet time", etc. Most of the books are not ones that would make it into Logos, but there are some beneficial ones never the less. On occasion, there are some which would be in the Logos format. We have already seen some of these books make their way into Logos pre-pub.
David Taylor Jr said:I'm starting to no like Vyrso books, I don't need something that just displays in L4 for reading, I want it to be able to interact with everything else.
Could you explain what you mean? Could you give some examples? Vyrso books are not "hand tagged" but they do work with Logos 4 in other ways (i.e. searches, notes, scripture hyperlinks, etc.).
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Oh, maybe I misunderstood, someone on another thread said they do not index those books, but they do indeed show up in searches?
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David Taylor Jr said:
Oh, maybe I misunderstood, someone on another thread said they do not index those books, but they do indeed show up in searches?
You are right, someone did say recently that the books don't index, but they were mistaken. They do indeed show up in searches. For example... say there was a biography on Billy Graham. There isn't much reason for it to be a "Logos Edition," so a cheaper "Vyrso Edition" would be preferable. If you bought the kindle version, great - good - fine. But if you bought it in Vyrso, it might pop up when you do a search. You might find an illustration that you wouldn't have found otherwise.
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FWIW, here is the (very) rough draft I put together. It still needs alot of editing, but may be helpful. There are some scriptures that were left in the list because I didn't have time to edit them; others are left in - though they are not really commands - because I thought they were pertinent / interesting.
Also see: http://www.logos.com/product/416/willmingtons-book-of-bible-lists which has Commands to Believers (127 of them)
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Precisely. How does one eat a whole cow? Swallowing the entire cow in one bite, or, one hamburger/steak at a time? However, I would disagree with you, because one's progress in all the other commands mean diddley poop compared to the progress of loving God and loving people.
Imagine being before God on judgement day. You get to tell God how well you kept all the rules, except, you didn't master the loving God and people so well. The fact is, God will say, You should have loved me and loved others first, because when you love me and you love others, you won't steal from me, or others, you won't murder me or others, you won't lie to me or others.
I think you are meaning this, but, getting it backwards. We love God, we love people, then, we don't have to worry about the other laws; as they will have taken care of themselves.
Btw, 1st Corinthians 13 shows us how to love. When we are doing that list, or not doing it, we are loving people and God.David Paul said:LegendsOfBatman said:No, Jesus did not say those were the only commands.
But, let's be honest here. Has anyone actually mastered those two? None of the others matter if we can't even get these two down.Making progress in the "others" is precisely how one makes progress in mastering "those two". A meal is eaten one bite at a time.
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alabama24 said:
someone did say recently that the books don't index, but they were mistaken.
What people usually mean when they say this is that beyond Bible citation and surface text that are indexed programmatically, Vyrso books are not indexed e.g. a reference to an early church father's writing will not be linked.
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David P. Moore said:DAL said:
There's another one worth mentioning but is not available in Logos. It's Meredith's Book of Bible Lists.
You can get this book in your Logos library through Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/products/search?q=Meredith%27s+Book+of+Bible+Lists
WOW! Thank you David!!! I went ahead and got it. I have the print version and I had been wanting to get it in Logos, but I guess "Vyrso-Logos" will do just fine. Thanks again!
DAL
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LegendsOfBatman said:
Precisely. How does one eat a whole cow? Swallowing the entire cow in one bite, or, one hamburger/steak at a time? However, I would disagree with you, because one's progress in all the other commands mean diddley poop compared to the progress of loving God and loving people.
Imagine being before God on judgement day. You get to tell God how well you kept all the rules, except, you didn't master the loving God and people so well. The fact is, God will say, You should have loved me and loved others first, because when you love me and you love others, you won't steal from me, or others, you won't murder me or others, you won't lie to me or others.
I think you are meaning this, but, getting it backwards. We love God, we love people, then, we don't have to worry about the other laws; as they will have taken care of themselves.
Btw, 1st Corinthians 13 shows us how to love. When we are doing that list, or not doing it, we are loving people and God.Actually, you are the one who is getting it backwards--the concept of loving God first and then responding with obedience is very intuitive and widely believed ...and it is also unbiblical and completely wrong. You agree that one cannot eat a cow in a single bite, and then reject the means of eating the cow a bite at a time. You also seem to think that there is some way of loving God that exists apart from obedience--which is a fairy tale charade. Yeishuu`a could not be clearer: His love of the Father is manifested in His obedience to His Father. Don't misunderstand my use of "manifested"...I don't mean that there is some "emotion" called love that subsequently expresses itself with obedience. I'm saying that obedience IS loving God and nothing else is or can be. My response to your assertion that my perspective is backwards is, first of all, 1 Jn. 5:3. That expresses PRECISELY and EXPLICITLY what "loving God" entails.
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Though it is not available is Logos yet, Thomas Blackaby has a book entitled "The Commands of Christ." http://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/books/products.asp?p=9781433672781
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I found these in search of the NT commands. The first is an exhaustive, categorized list that was supposedly developed and organized by the Puritans. The second, is just every command in order, uncategorized.
http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands
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Christian Huls said:
I found these in search of the NT commands. The first is an exhaustive, categorized list that was supposedly developed and organized by the Puritans. The second, is just every command in order, uncategorized.
http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands
http://www.jesuschristschurch.com/commands.html
I did a random read of your last link:
Question: are we to take Matthew 18:8-9 as a command? How about Acts 19:4?
Seems to be a little confusion as to what is a ‘command’ vs ‘what is/could be’ an instruction…..
just asking.....
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Room4more said:
Question: are we to take Matthew 18:8-9 as a command? How about Acts 19:4?
Luckily these questions need to be answered by the authors of the list not the provider of the links. This means we don't have to argue Biblical interpretation. Isn't that great?
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MJ. Smith said:
Luckily these questions need to be answered by the authors of the list not the provider of the links. This means we don't have to argue Biblical interpretation. Isn't that great?
Oh you r funny!
How do you randomly suggest that an argument ensues from a simple question……if I didn’t know better I would say that you are instigating an argument…as opposed to letting the conversation flow.
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Room4more said:
an argument ensues from a simple question
Randomly? I was just pointing out that you were asking the question of someone who should not try to answer. If your post had merely observed the omission of passages you thought should be included it would simply be the flow of the conversation. By converting the observation to a question that cannot be reasonably be answered, you convert your observation into something of a more confrontational tone. Fortunately, I've let the Rhetoric Hound into the backyard so she'll not be making an appearance.[:D] Where is that ____ forum discourse analysis tool when I need it?
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Agreed about Acts 19:4. It is a repeat of a previous commnd.
I would say that Matt. 18:8-9 IS a command, though some see it as hyperbole. Is Christ's point not that we are to go to whatever extreme necessary, forsake whatever is necessary in order to be saved? Granted, it is conditional... Still, even if instruction, is there much difference?
As MJ lightly observed, perhaps that is for each of us to wrestle with the Spirit about. Where I to try and compile a list, I don't know that I would necessarily include these, but the list is a good start for reference.
incidentally, I though this categorize list was also interesting http://www.biblicalresearchreports.com/categorizedcommands.php
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Christian Huls said:
Agreed about Acts 19:4. It is a repeat of a previous commnd.
I would say that Matt. 18:8-9 IS a command, though some see it as hyperbole. Is Christ's point not that we are to go to whatever extreme necessary, forsake whatever is necessary in order to be saved? Granted, it is conditional... Still, even if instruction, is there much difference?
As MJ lightly observed, perhaps that is for each of us to wrestle with the Spirit about. Where I to try and compile a list, I don't know that I would necessarily include these, but the list is a good start for reference.
incidentally, I though this categorize list was also interesting http://www.biblicalresearchreports.com/categorizedcommands.php
I would agree, but to a very small percentile w/you. If you really go thru the list putting each into the context to which they were spoken, it be clear that many are not commands. We tend to get confused as to what are instructions[things we can NOT decide to do] versus commands[things that we are told to do].
If we are to say that what Paul wrote are 'commands' per se, then we are following the words of Paul - wouldn't that be wrong? Yet, if we understand that Paul wrote instructions, the same as he stated to Timothy, then we can see the difference, well we should be able to do so....
The Vatican, from a dear re-formed Brother, vehemantly denied it's parishers to read the Bible, but when some started to do so they realized that they, the leaders, were wrong.......but i digress some might consider those 'fightin' words'....
In all, when we come across lists like these, lets not consider the 'one-liners' but delve into the passage, chapter, book, to really understand what is being said.
IE> the rich young ruler walk away - why? was the answer a command or an instruction?
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Just so we are all on the same page here:
-You are aware that there are only 10 Commandments in the Bible, and that there are two main parts: The relationship between God and man - The relationship between man and man;
-Jesus [in the Gospels] re-iterated this more than once;
-Paul exponded on them - plenty.
Hope this helps to clarify any allusions..
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