Logos 4.0a Beta 1 Available
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Can someone explain the benefit? What would I use this for? I have some guesses but I'd like to hear your uses.
Kevin,
Glad you resolved the problem.
For me, the datasheet is probably one of the most significant improvements. It really reduces my need for other software.
The main benefit is that it allows you to easily group results by dragging and dropping the various categories from the header.
This is a very user friendly and powerful way to aggregate search results into a lot of useful arrangements.
Taking your search for predestined in the ESV, for instance, returns 5 results in 5 verses. Using the datasheet view, one can quickly rearrange the results to find that they are all aorist tense, three are indicative mood and two are participles, four are active voice and one is passive.
For those who do a lot of work in original languages, this is very powerful.
Probably 30% of my need for Accordance was eliminated by this functionality.
Russ
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Downloading now! Looking forward to testing again
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RussQuinn said:
Probably 30% of my need for Accordance was eliminated by this functionality.
Just curious... what's the other 70%
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RussQuinn said:
The main benefit is that it allows you to easily group results by dragging and dropping the various categories from the header.
This is a very user friendly and powerful way to aggregate search results into a lot of useful arrangements.
Taking your search for predestined in the ESV, for instance, returns 5 results in 5 verses. Using the datasheet view, one can quickly rearrange the results to find that they are all aorist tense, three are indicative mood and two are participles, four are active voice and one is passive.
For those who do a lot of work in original languages, this is very powerful.
I'm still downloading resources...but I'm trembling at the moment...this is good..
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Bob Pritchett said:RussQuinn said:
Probably 30% of my need for Accordance was eliminated by this functionality.
Just curious... what's the other 70%
Assuming the planned addition of verse lists, word lists, vocabulary lists, and sentence diagramming in a stable Mac version, I would break it down like this:
- 50% = user friendly interface to build complex morphological searches on both biblical and non-biblical texts. It really helps me to be able to visualize the construction.
- 10% = custom highlighting styles so I can do my synoptic highlighting
- 5% = speed for opening program and quickly getting to a particular Bible text (I'm currently running Logos 4 in Parallels so this isn't fair comparison and I am learning ways to configure Logos 4 that help with getting what I need quickly)
- 5% = ability to import searchable non-biblical Greek texts (TLG)
I've got a feeling that we will be at 95% by the middle of next year. Am I right?
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I really like the new colour text on the topics, interesting wordsthe new speech help is awsome,
thank you for the new improvements, I enjoy testing the new features that come out in the beta program
Since using version 4, I have learnt more about God's Word than I ever did when I was using version 3
please keep rolling out the improvements and new features awesome program
mick[:D]
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Bryan Albert said:
Run the special beta installer here: http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe
I'm not sure where to post bugs, so I'll post here...
Install went fine, over the top of the latest SR for 4.0.
Beta appears to be working correctly, but it appears on my setup to have lost the ability to remember whether [Edit] SOME windows were minimized or not at last.
My default layout now includes a main window & 6 floating windows. The floating windows are all saved minimized. However, 4.0a prefers [edit] ONE not to be minimized at startup, in contrast to the last SR release, that remembered how I had set them. This is true whether it's the snapshot that loads at startup or whether I reload my saved layout. [Edit] The one that won't load minimized is The Bible Reader's Companion.
Thanks for all you folks do for us!
Bill
Grace & Peace,
Bill
MSI GF63 8RD, I-7 8850H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GTX 1050Max
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Ok, let me ask a pretty basic question. Assume, for the sake of argument, that while I am aware of the disclaimer at the beginning of this thread, I fully intend to install Logos4aB1 on my main production machine. (I create entire system image backups weekly, so even on a meltdown, I am in good shape).
What is the best way to "upgrade" to the beta? Do I have to uninstall Logos 4.0? Can I install over the top? My main concern is:
- downloading resources over again
- Indexing everything over again from scratch.
Thanks in advance for the help!
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
Windows 10 64-bit; Logos 7.1 SR-2 (Reformed Platinum)0 -
Fred Greco said:
What is the best way to "upgrade" to the beta? Do I have to uninstall Logos 4.0? Can I install over the top? My main concern is:
- downloading resources over again
- Indexing everything over again from scratch.
Thanks in advance for the help!
Just install over the top.
I've now done it on two machines.
You run the installer - it replaces what needs replacing.
Nothing is indexed.
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Thanks, Damian. That is what I thought; I just wanted to get confirmation.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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I've done a reinstall of L4 beta, redownloaded, and just finished indexing. I'm still getting nothing good from opening resources. I click a resource, and L4 crashes every time.
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Philip Spitzer said:
I've done a reinstall of L4 beta, redownloaded, and just finished indexing. I'm still getting nothing good from opening resources. I click a resource, and L4 crashes every time.
Philip, did you uninstall?
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Damian McGrath said:
Philip, did you uninstall?
Yulp. Uninstalled L4, deleted the L4 folder, reinstalled, and no love.
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Philip,
I'm in the exact same situation. I even did a complete uninstall of L4. Now I'm in the midst of installing L4 again, well it's downloading resources anyway. I did have it open earlier, and after clicking on something in my library: crash.
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Everything seems to work fine aside from two things (so far):
1. Some of my note files were unnamed, although the information in them was not effected. For example, I had a note file called "Reymond's Systematic Theology," which had notes I've taken and linked to that theology, the file (along with several others) was retitled "Untitled notes," but all my notes and the links were still there.
2. All of my highlights are gone.
perspectivelyspeaking.wordpress.com
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The beta still has the problem of the black title bar. I have not EVER heard this addressed by Logos. Logos do you know this is an issue and are you working on it?
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
The beta still has the problem of the black title bar. I have not EVER heard this addressed by Logos. Logos do you know this is an issue and are you working on it?
Kevin (good name BTW), I don't have this issue on Win 7. My top title bar uses the Aero glass effects just fine.
It would be interesting to see who has this problem and who doesn't.
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
The beta still has the problem of the black title bar. I have not EVER heard this addressed by Logos. Logos do you know this is an issue and are you working on it?
Kevin, I have this same issue on my desktop at home. I filed a bug report during beta testing, but they have not been able to reproduce it. It doesn't seem to be very common. I'll let to your post in the case to let them know that at least one other person is having this problem.
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
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Phil Gons said:
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
I have this problem as well Win7 64bit, ATI Radeon HD 4850 graphics card.
Sometimes I can get it to go away by minimizing and restoring. More often I can't.
(I'm not yet on the beta for 4.0a, but wanted to chime in anywa.)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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JohnBowling said:
2. All of my highlights are gone.
Well, I just found I also lost all my highlighting. Not a disaster but not nice. I have Beta on the same computer but in the different User Profile. It killed my highlighting in the main Logos 4 and in the Beta :-(
Bohuslav
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Phil Gons said:
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
I have the problem on Win 7 x64.
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Phil Gons said:
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
I've seen it now and again on Vista x64 Ultimate. Usually resizing the window fixes the issue. I have not seen the black title bar on Windows 7 Home Premium (32-bit) on my laptop.
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I installed Logos 4a beta1 over Logos 4 SR7. Now, I cannot start the program. It will always crash right after starting logos 4. I am running it on Windows 7 x64.
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Philip Spitzer said:Phil Gons said:
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
I see the black outline every once in a while too.
I too get the black outline at times. Not consistently reproducible
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Hi,
Below is where the program crashed on my machine. It is encountering 'System.ArgumentNullException'in method Logos4.exe!LDLS4.PanelHistoryItem.PanelHistoryItem(). Hope this will help resolve the problem quicker. Thanks.
A first chance exception of type 'System.ArgumentException' occurred in Libronix.DigitalLibrary.dll
A first chance exception of type 'System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException' occurred in mscorlib.dll
A first chance exception of type 'System.ArgumentException' occurred in Libronix.DigitalLibrary.dll
A first chance exception of type 'System.ArgumentNullException' occurred in Logos4.exe
An unhandled exception of type 'System.ArgumentNullException' occurred in Logos4.exeStack trace:
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.PanelHistoryItem.PanelHistoryItem(LDLS4.AppModel app, System.Guid guidPanel, string strTitle, string strSubtitle, LDLS4.PanelViewSettings settingsLocalHistory, LDLS4.PanelViewSettings settingsBookmark, LDLS4.PanelHistoryItem hiPrevious) + 0x145 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.PanelViewModel.AddHistoryItem() + 0x118 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.PanelViewModel.OnInitialized() + 0x5 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.PanelViewModel.EndInit() + 0x34 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.AppModel.LoadPanelFromXml(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Guid? guidPanelId, out int? nZOrder = null) + 0x15e bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadTiledFrameLayout.AnonymousMethod__11(System.Xml.XmlReader readerPanel) + 0x4a bytes
Libronix.Utility.dll!Libronix.Utility.XmlUtility.ForEachChildNode(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Action<System.Xml.XmlReader> fn = {Method = {Void <LoadTiledFrameLayout>b__11(System.Xml.XmlReader)}}) + 0x72 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadTiledFrameLayout.AnonymousMethod__10(System.Xml.XmlReader readerPanels) + 0x49 bytes
Libronix.Utility.dll!Libronix.Utility.XmlUtility.ForEachChildNode(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Action<System.Xml.XmlReader> fn = {Method = {Void <LoadTiledFrameLayout>b__10(System.Xml.XmlReader)}}) + 0x72 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadTiledFrameLayout.AnonymousMethod__f(System.Xml.XmlReader readerTile) + 0xef bytes
Libronix.Utility.dll!Libronix.Utility.XmlUtility.ForEachChildNode(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Action<System.Xml.XmlReader> fn = {Method = {Void <LoadTiledFrameLayout>b__f(System.Xml.XmlReader)}}) + 0x72 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadTiledFrameLayout.AnonymousMethod__e(System.Xml.XmlReader readerTiles) + 0x6d bytes
Libronix.Utility.dll!Libronix.Utility.XmlUtility.ForEachChildNode(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Action<System.Xml.XmlReader> fn = {Method = {Void <LoadTiledFrameLayout>b__e(System.Xml.XmlReader)}}) + 0x72 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadTiledFrameLayout(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, LDLS4.AppModel app, Libronix.Utility.ViewModels.TiledFrameLayoutSettings settings = {Libronix.Utility.ViewModels.TiledFrameLayoutSettings}, System.Collections.Generic.IList<System.Collections.Generic.KeyValuePair<System.Guid,int>> listZOrder) + 0x5d bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadXml.AnonymousMethod__1(System.Xml.XmlReader readerFrame) + 0x64 bytes
Libronix.Utility.dll!Libronix.Utility.XmlUtility.ForEachChildNode(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Action<System.Xml.XmlReader> fn = {Method = {Void <LoadXml>b__1(System.Xml.XmlReader)}}) + 0x72 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadXml.AnonymousMethod__0(System.Xml.XmlReader readerRootChild) + 0xd6 bytes
Libronix.Utility.dll!Libronix.Utility.XmlUtility.ForEachChildNode(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, System.Action<System.Xml.XmlReader> fn = {Method = {Void <LoadXml>b__0(System.Xml.XmlReader)}}) + 0x72 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutSnapshot.LoadXml(System.Xml.XmlReader reader, LDLS4.AppModel app) + 0x9a bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.LayoutUtility.LoadLayout(LDLS4.AppModel app = {LDLS4.AppModel}, Libronix.DigitalLibrary.Layout layout) + 0x77 bytes
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.AppModel.LoadMostRecentLayout() + 0x28 bytes
Libronix.Utility.Windows.dll!Libronix.Utility.Windows.DispatcherUtility.BeginInvoke.AnonymousMethod__0() + 0xd bytes
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate callback = {Method = {Void <BeginInvoke>b__0(System.Object)}}, object args = null, bool isSingleParameter = true) Line 96 + 0x1a bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(object source = {System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher}, System.Delegate callback, object args, bool isSingleParameter, System.Delegate catchHandler = null) Line 21 + 0x15 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WrappedInvoke(System.Delegate callback, object args, bool isSingleParameter, System.Delegate catchHandler) Line 2277 + 0x29 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl() Line 355 + 0x18 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeInSecurityContext(object state) Line 336 + 0x7 bytes C#
mscorlib.dll!System.Threading.ExecutionContext.runTryCode(object userData) Line 394 + 0xe bytes C#
[Native to Managed Transition]
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mscorlib.dll!System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(System.Threading.ExecutionContext executionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback callback, object state) Line 372 + 0x12 bytes C#
mscorlib.dll!System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext executionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback callback, object state) Line 359 + 0xc bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke() Line 293 + 0x21 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue() Line 1541 C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(System.IntPtr hwnd, int msg, System.IntPtr wParam, System.IntPtr lParam, ref bool handled) Line 1779 C#
WindowsBase.dll!MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(System.IntPtr hwnd = 263452, int msg = 49840, System.IntPtr wParam = 0, System.IntPtr lParam = 0, ref bool handled = false) Line 342 + 0x15 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(object o) Line 496 + 0x18 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate callback = {Method = {System.Object DispatcherCallbackOperation(System.Object)}}, object args = {MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherOperationCallbackParameter}, bool isSingleParameter = true) Line 91 + 0x2d bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(object source = {System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher}, System.Delegate callback, object args, bool isSingleParameter, System.Delegate catchHandler = null) Line 21 + 0x15 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WrappedInvoke(System.Delegate callback, object args, bool isSingleParameter, System.Delegate catchHandler) Line 2277 + 0x29 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.InvokeImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority priority, System.TimeSpan timeout, System.Delegate method, object args, bool isSingleParameter) Line 843 + 0x30 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.Invoke(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority priority, System.Delegate method, object arg) Line 599 + 0x30 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(System.IntPtr hwnd = 263452, int msg = 49840, System.IntPtr wParam = 0, System.IntPtr lParam = 0) Line 400 C#
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WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame frame = {System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame}) Line 1597 + 0x35 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrame(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame frame) Line 334 + 0x7 bytes C#
WindowsBase.dll!System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.Run() Line 293 + 0x38 bytes C#
PresentationFramework.dll!System.Windows.Application.RunDispatcher(object ignore) Line 2704 C#
PresentationFramework.dll!System.Windows.Application.RunInternal(System.Windows.Window window) Line 1851 C#
PresentationFramework.dll!System.Windows.Application.Run(System.Windows.Window window) Line 260 + 0x9 bytes C#
PresentationFramework.dll!System.Windows.Application.Run() Line 221 + 0x13 bytes C#
Logos4.exe!LDLS4.OurApp.InitializeAndRun(System.Collections.ObjectModel.ReadOnlyCollection<string> listArgs, Libronix.Utility.Threading.SingleInstanceManager sim) + 0x18e bytes
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Yup, count me among the blessed. Win7 64bit - Nvidia 7300gs @256MB. Most of the time it's got the aero transparency but once in a while it's black, and the Minimize/restore/close buttons are "gone"Phil Gons said:If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
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Phil Gons said:
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
Me too on desktop, Win7 64bit
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I can't open any resources without a crash.
I can open the Home page without any problems.
I can open various Guides without problems.
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Richard Lyall said:
I can't open any resources without a crash.
Richard, did you upgrade or did you try to install under a new user?
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I installed over the top - if there were any installation instructions I didn't read them - I just steamed ahead.
Should I have done something differently?
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Richard Lyall said:
Should I have done something differently?
Most of the people who have had problems, including me originally, had them when trying to install on a different user account.
My upgrade worked perfectly, so I'm a bit stumped.
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I had the same problem, crash after opening any resource, after doing a install over my existing L4. I also had the problem after uninstalling the l4 beta, deleting all the files, and re-installing the beta.
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Finally got around to installing it, and it works fine.
Fred Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA, Katy, TX
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Philip Spitzer said:
I had the same problem, crash after opening any resource, after doing a install over my existing L4. I also had the problem after uninstalling the l4 beta, deleting all the files, and re-installing the beta.
Philip ... have you got it working subsequently? If so, what did you do?
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"HI Phillip" [:D]
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Richard Lyall said:
Philip ... have you got it working subsequently? If so, what did you do?
Nope. I'm using L4 Release.
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Ah, "Stuck" on SR7 just like me eh?Philip Spitzer said:Nope. I'm using L4 Release.
I've got a bunch of out of office time slated today, and a sermon to build a skeleton for - but if I manage to get it done I may make another attempt at installing in a separate account. As for right now I intend to keep my Sr7 install nice and safe.
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My beta install is still working fine. After reading about everyone's trouble, I decided not to reinstall a new copy and kept the one I talked about in earlier posts.
The process that worked for me was:
- Created second user account (using XP if that is relevant)
- downloaded and installed beta setup file
- stopped resource download
- replaced all directories in c:/beta account/Local Settings/Application Data/Logos4/Data/random.num/ with content from previous L4 install (some of these directories are DownloadManager, ResourceManager, etc.)
- started L4 - it did not download or index - everything was good - peachy even
- when I realized that I was missing my collections, I replaced the directory c:/beta account/Local Settings/Application Data/Logos4/Documents/random.num/ResourceCollectionManager with the directory from the old install - my collections automagically reappeared
I'm not sure if I should have copied the whole Documents folder from the previous install or not. I haven't noticed anything obviously wrong with my beta install. It seems a bit more responsive. The Cited By and Datasheet are significant improvements.
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Russ Quinn said:
I haven't noticed anything obviously wrong with my beta install. It seems a bit more responsive. The Cited By and Datasheet are significant improvements.
Dittos to everything you just said - more responsive and it has yet to crash on me despite a few days test driving it. I too enjoy the improvements. Thanks again, Logos!
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I also have the "black bar" problem, on Win 7 x64.
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Just a quick question, is there a way for me to install the beta version on to a seperated folder on the same machine which already have logos 4 without creating a new user profile?
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free", John 8:32.
"你們必定認識真理，真理必定使你們自由", 約翰福音 8:3.0 -
Sorry Steven, no that is not an option.
You'll have to create a new account at least.
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Phil Gons said:
If anyone else is having this problem, please chime in.
Having problem but not on the beta SR-7
Win7 64bit Intel graphics 4 series mobile, Aero running.
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Russ Quinn said:
5% = ability to import searchable non-biblical Greek texts (TLG)
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/using-logos-to-study-greek-texts-not-in-logos/
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Mike Aubrey said:Russ Quinn said:
5% = ability to import searchable non-biblical Greek texts (TLG)
http://evepheso.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/using-logos-to-study-greek-texts-not-in-logos/
Thanks for that, Mike. I bookmarked your post.
Very creative application of available tools.
You have increased my anticipation for the implementation of the Sermon Addin in the Q2.
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