Jesus' wife
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Paul Golder said:George Somsel said:
Remember, the gospels are the product of the teaching of the church and not history.
Um...
This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
(Joh 21:24)
Pilate asked him, "What is truth?" , Jn 18.38.george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Paul Golder said:Lynden Williams said:
George and Paul, can we let this subject rest now as everyone knows that I am a bride of Christ. Don't feel bad, so are you, if you are a believer.
Metaphorically speaking...
Now, on this note...UGHH!!
No, no, no...PROPHETICALLY speaking...in other words, it speaks of a spiritual concept that is symbolically addressed and which has a fulfillment that is literal, though by literal I mean actual and factual. Stated differently, prophetic truths are both literal and metaphorical--simultaneously. The Exodus covenant was effectively a k'thuubhaah, or marriage covenant between YHWH/Yeishuu`a & Israel. Jer. 31:31-32
The lack of Biblical awareness is truly staggering. This is FUNDAMENTAL to EVERYTHING that the ENTIRE Bible is about...how can a whole "room" full of supposedly Biblically familiar and trained individuals not be aware of this?? Jn. 3:10
In other words, YES...Yeishuu`a was married...to Israel. This wasn't make-believe or "merely" metaphor...in YHWH's eyes, it is/was absolutely REAL. Then Israel played the harlot through faithlessness and disobedience--in effect, an adulterous failure to keep the marriage covenant. So YHWH divorced Israel (Jer. 3:8). That fact is SCARY...because Tohraah forbids a husband who had divorced (H)is wife from taking her again in marriage. This leaves Israel in a cosmic lurch...LEGALLY UNABLE TO ENTER INTO A COVENANT OF SALVATION. Deut. 24:1-4
There is only one way that this legal death sentence can be defanged...death. Rom. 7:1-4 [Paul obviously lied in verse one--he said he was writing to people who knew/know the law. Clearly, that imagined space of knowledge is instead filled by a gargantuan vacuum of ignorance on practically every level by almost everyone.] By dying, the legal obstacle prohibiting Yeishuu`a and Israel from uniting in a new marriage covenant is overcome. Ref. Lev. 21:7, 13-14; Ezek. 44:22-24, where Ezek. 44:24 illustrates covenant faithfulness. Isa. 62:2-5; 2 Cor. 11:2
This is the wedding feast of Mt. 22 & Mt. 25 & Rev. 19:7-9. Tons more could be said and explained. Regarding His current status, He is married (speaking of things that are not as though they are, Rom. 4:17, a la "lamb slain from the foundation of the world" Rev. 13:8, Heb. 9:24-26) though the marriage feast and consumation are yet future. Biblically, the agreement to marriage is binding.
To ask IF Yeishuu`a was married is to confess having no knowledge of Him whatsoever. (It is EXACTLY the kind of scenario that elicits His response: "I never knew you".
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Because some of us do not believe that this fundamental to everything that the bible is about? I know that I do not care if Jesus was married or not. It doesn't change what happened on the cross. Now that I got my 2 cents in, I also think this conversation needs to be moved to faithlife.David Paul said:This is FUNDAMENTAL to EVERYTHING that the ENTIRE Bible is about...how can a whole "room" full of supposedly Biblically familiar and trained individuals not be aware of this?
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The question is...do you know what happened on the cross? The cross is far bigger and far smaller than is generally perceived. That's the problem with reduction theology (saying the the only thing that matters is ____)...it allows the dismissal of both the critical and the profound...at the expense of truth and life. Reductionist philosophy results in "I do not know you"...because saying it's all about ____ in a 2000 page book results inevitably in a lack of knowledge that WILL be reciprocated.
Beware putting all your eggs in one basket...especially an Easter basket.
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When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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There's your problem...stuck on a dead Savior. But don't worry...Paul will pick up His slack.
Col. 1:24
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Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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People suggest 'take it to Faithlife as the new equivalent of 'I don't like this but I sure like to read it!'.
Take a look at the view counts (after you read this of course).
Then there's the 'here's what I think; now let's move the conversation to Faithlife'.
Faithlife's the 'quiet time'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
It is finished.
Good day [Y]"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
...Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death...
Again...blinders are bad. Samson, the Nazarite that wasn't, forshadowed Yeishuu`a in many ways...most significantly in Jdg. 16:30. The last sentence pictures the less pleasant duality of the cup of blessing & wrath. As always, YHWH does more with less. Death isn't destroyed until it ceases to be useful. The cross isn't good news for everyone...it is actually bad news for most.
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Even the cartoonists are getting into the act.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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lol...thanks George, some of us need simpler articles!
I found http://www.biblicaltraining.org/forum/did-jesus-have-wife to be easy to follow.
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Instead of Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to continue to rely on Divine Intelligence instructing my Natural Dullness (Ps 32:8, John 16:13a)
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JRS said:
Wallace's comment mentions the reason for rejection as its being based on the Gospel of Thomas. When I first saw the announcement of this fragment, it occurred to me at the time that it had similarities to the Gospel of Thomas. That it has a relationship to another work such as the Gospel of Thomas does not in itself indicate that it is a fake. It may simply be indicative that such traditions were present at the time in certain circles. Whether it is a legitimate remain of the 4th or 2nd cent, remains to be determined. Whether it is legitimate or fraudulent is of little or no consequence for theology since it is, in any event, too late to reflect the facts of the founding of Christianity.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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