I Love the new Datasheet view - a couple ideas . . .

One more small thing. Could the drop down menu pictured above that is used to select or deselect the info to be displayed - have the same behavior as the "Add" drop down menu in the passage guide.

The Add menu stays visible until you click somewhere off the menu so you can select multiple categories at once. (I also like the grayed out text and black text to show what is selected better than check-marks - but that is just me.)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/42970#Comment_42970

Could you PLEASE not post this cool stuff while I cannot even get it to fire up!!! [:@]

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/42976#Comment_42976

Could you PLEASE not post this cool stuff while I cannot even get it to fire up!!!

hehehehehe please do tell more.....

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/42976#Comment_42976

I'm really sorry Robert - I guess I should definitely refrain from posting shots of the drastically improved (now useful) Cited By tool.

[:)]

Seriously, I hope you get it working for you soon.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/42980#Comment_42980

wow...that's a great improvement!

Argg.... [:O]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/42998#Comment_42998

to be able to hold the ctrl key to combine filters. For example you could use the ctrl key to select both "voice" and "tense" to see the words that have these both in common listed first.

You can currently combine multiple filters. You just drag them one at a time. You can also reorder them after you have combined them.

spitzerpl

wow...that's a great improvement!

Argg....

Don't worry, I can't play with it either.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43078#Comment_43078

[quote]You can currently combine multiple filters. You just drag them one at a time. You can also reorder them after you have combined them.

Thanks for that Russ. You would think I would have noticed the big text right in front of me . . .

It would be nice if we could save presets, for common filter setups. Now I better go look and see if there are big letters across the screen "click here to save filter presets".

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43029#Comment_43029

to be able to hold the ctrl key to combine filters. For example you could use the ctrl key to select both "voice" and "tense" to see the words that have these both in common listed first.

You can currently combine multiple filters. You just drag them one at a time. You can also reorder them after you have combined them.

When you created this datasheet, did you notice 3 small circles in the form of a triangle continuously revolving in the lower righthand corner of the sheet? Any idea on what that is for? Thanks!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43221#Comment_43221

When you created this datasheet, did you notice 3 small circles in the form of a triangle continuously revolving in the lower righthand corner of the sheet? Any idea on what that is for? Thanks!

I just assumed it was some sort of working status indicator like the rotating arrow for sync status by the Layouts button.

It appears and disappers too fast to click on it (for me anyway).

Somebody might know for sure but that is my guess.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43225#Comment_43225

When you created this datasheet, did you notice 3 small circles in the form of a triangle continuously revolving in the lower righthand corner of the sheet? Any idea on what that is for? Thanks!

I just assumed it was some sort of working status indicator like the rotating arrow for sync status by the Layouts button.

It appears and disappers too fast to click on it (for me anyway).

Somebody might know for sure but that is my guess.

Thanks. On a related note, I tried a Bible Search for the word "propitiation" in the ESV. Grid, Verses, and Aligned views show 4 hits. The datasheet actually displays 6 entries (two for Romans 3:25 and two for Hebrews 2:17). Is that a bug or am I overlooking something?

And I agree, the datasheet is a VERY nice feature. Keep up the good work, development team!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43229#Comment_43229

Thanks. On a related note, I tried a Bible Search for the word "propitiation" in the ESV. Grid, Verses, and Aligned views show 4 hits. The datasheet actually displays 6 entries (two for Romans 3:25 and two for Hebrews 2:17). Is that a bug or am I overlooking something?

And I agree, the datasheet is a VERY nice feature. Keep up the good work, development team!

Good eye! Looks like a bug to me. It is counting the occurence in Rom 3:25 twice apparently because the morphology has the word tagged as both a noun and an adjective as part of speech. The false hit in Hebrews 2:17 is counting the article along with the infinitive???

I'm not sure how to report these types of errors. I don't see a "Report typo" option anywhere.

I wonder if our conversation in this forum is enough or if we should send an e-mail to someone?

Jon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43240#Comment_43240

I'm sure it'll be picked up... I had similar issues with a morph search in the septuagint, except there some entries were being repeated 20-30 times!

Melissa Snyder

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43229#Comment_43229

Thanks. On a related note, I tried a Bible Search for the word "propitiation" in the ESV. Grid, Verses, and Aligned views show 4 hits. The datasheet actually displays 6 entries (two for Romans 3:25 and two for Hebrews 2:17). Is that a bug or am I overlooking something?

I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I have reported it.

Thanks,
Melissa

Chris Elford

Just want to say: Really great idea. I use this sort of grouping/pivot table (almost) in statistical analysis and other database applications and it will be very helpful to have to analyze the search results where you start with limited filtering and then sort.

Beauty!!! Now, if that isn't worth the upgrade and indexing, I don't know what is.

Chris

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/44296#Comment_44296

Beauty!!! Now, if that isn't worth the upgrade and indexing, I don't know what is.

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John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/44102#Comment_44102

When the search hits are significant, over 100, it would be great if the window populated closed and let us open the areas we want rather than scrolling down to get to the next item of interest. Here is an example.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43029#Comment_43029

to be able to hold the ctrl key to combine filters. For example you could use the ctrl key to select both "voice" and "tense" to see the words that have these both in common listed first.

You can currently combine multiple filters. You just drag them one at a time. You can also reorder them after you have combined them.

The exact behavior I was requesting is accomplished by using the shift key while selecting filters.

My opinion (for what its worth) is that the ctrl key should be used instead of shift key to fit with how users would expect things to work.

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/43240#Comment_43240

Good eye! Looks like a bug to me. It is counting the occurence in Rom 3:25 twice apparently because the morphology has the word tagged as both a noun and an adjective as part of speech. The false hit in Hebrews 2:17 is counting the article along with the infinitive???

When there are two things in a single labeled field the row is duplicated, so each instance can be sorted/grouped on its own.

It isn't ideal, but the other solutions are even worse (not being able to find/sort on the second item?), so this is how the problem is typically handled in database displays of this sort.

We're open to alternate suggestions.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/44388#Comment_44388

When there are two things in a single labeled field the row is duplicated, so each instance can be sorted/grouped on its own.

It isn't ideal, but the other solutions are even worse (not being able to find/sort on the second item?), so this is how the problem is typically handled in database displays of this sort.

We're open to alternate suggestions.

OK, now I see what you guys are doing. The datasheet on that search was based on the database from the ESV interlinear with has the article and the inifinitive in the same record as the English word propitiation.

You get different results when you do a morph search in a Greek text.

Very important to realize the difference when you are setting up your search. There are obviously strengths and weaknesses to searching an interlinear database.

Maybe there needs to be more work done on the interlinear database itself. Particularly with the articular infinitive when the article is tied more to the syntactical function than to the meaning of the word.

Interesting problem with results from interlinear databases . . . I'll have to think about this more.

Jon

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/44388#Comment_44388

I think I can handle a couple of hits being duplicated because of this but it really breaks down in the Septuagint...

Try for example, searching for βασιλευω in just one verse: Esther 4:14

4 forms x 5 lemmas x 4 parts of speech x 2 strong's numbers x 5 ?identical hits for each one? = 800 results in the Datasheet from one occurence of βασιλευω in one verse! [:D]

I think there may be other problems there, but can I suggest that after the hits have been sorted by the users's selected criteria; that the multiple hits for an individual verse thereafter are automatically clumped together and collapsed down.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/44441#Comment_44441

I think I can handle a couple of hits being duplicated because of this but it really breaks down in the Septuagint...

Try for example, searching for βασιλευω in just one verse: Esther 4:14

4 forms x 5 lemmas x 4 parts of speech x 2 strong's numbers x 5 ?identical hits for each one? = 800 results in the Datasheet from one occurence of βασιλευω in one verse!

I think there may be other problems there, but can I suggest that after the hits have been sorted by the users's selected criteria; that the multiple hits for an individual verse thereafter are automatically clumped together and collapsed down.

There is not a bug in the datasheet or the search. It is a function of how the interlinear resource has been designed.

The datasheet is pulling every possible combination of the many fields that are in that lemma's entry in the LXX with Logos Morphology.

Notice that a search on a non-interlinear morphologically tagged text yields the expected results:

I think that once you understand how the different resources will produce different results, this becomes manageable . . . maybe even useful for some things, maybe?

You have to use interlinear texts for certain applications and non-interlinear texts for others.

This is not the most user friendly approach IMHO because it requires a lot of understanding of the different resources that is not necessarily self-evident.

I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions right now about how to improve it. I really haven't determined (in my understanding) if this is a feature or a weakness.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/44610#Comment_44610

One idea I've had for making the results of the Datasheet report a bit more useful is to allow deletion of duplicates and false positives after the report has been generated.

Maybe you could select rows (better yet multiple rows) that you know are irrelevant to your purpose and delete them?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/45030#Comment_45030

Russ,

that's a great idea!

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/45030#Comment_45030

One idea I've had for making the results of the Datasheet report a bit more useful is to allow deletion of duplicates and false positives

This could also be done automatically:-

The Noun results were not requested and should not be presented.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/45167#Comment_45167

Hey Dave,

Is there a listing of morphological query syntax operators anywhere?

I am trying to build a query to find all occurences of εἰς and an infinitive within 3 words.

So far I've got lemma:εἰς AND @V??N but I'm not sure how to limit within 3 words.

Thanks,

Russ

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/45284#Comment_45284

Try:

lemma:εἰς WITHIN 3 WORDS @V??N

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/45284#Comment_45284

Hey Dave,

Is there a listing of morphological query syntax operators anywhere?

Look at http://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP The lemma format has changed for Bible Search in 4.0a, but you should be OK formatting in Morph Search as it converts when you switch to Bible Search. There was a hint of a wildcard format for Morph Search in B1 changes but i haven't seen anything beyond that!

John has the solution!