I Love the new Datasheet view - a couple ideas . . .

Could you PLEASE not post this cool stuff while I cannot even get it to fire up!!! [:@]

Greg Gray said:

to be able to hold the ctrl key to combine filters.  For example you could use the ctrl key to select both "voice" and "tense" to see the words that have these both in common listed first.

You can currently combine multiple filters. You just drag them one at a time. You can also reorder them after you have combined them.

JH said:

When you created this datasheet, did you notice 3 small circles in the form of a triangle continuously revolving in the lower righthand corner of the sheet?  Any idea on what that is for?  Thanks!

I just assumed it was some sort of working status indicator like the rotating arrow for sync status by the Layouts button.

It appears and disappers too fast to click on it (for me anyway).

Somebody might know for sure but that is my guess.

JH said:

Thanks.  On a related note, I tried a Bible Search for the word "propitiation" in the ESV.  Grid, Verses, and Aligned views show 4 hits.  The datasheet actually displays 6 entries (two for Romans 3:25 and two for Hebrews 2:17).  Is that a bug or am I overlooking something?

And I agree, the datasheet is a VERY nice feature.  Keep up the good work, development team!

Good eye! Looks like a bug to me. It is counting the occurence in Rom 3:25 twice apparently because the morphology has the word tagged as both a noun and an adjective as part of speech. The false hit in Hebrews 2:17 is counting the article along with the infinitive???

I'm not sure how to report these types of errors. I don't see a "Report typo" option anywhere.

I wonder if our conversation in this forum is enough or if we should send an e-mail to someone?

JH said:

Thanks.  On a related note, I tried a Bible Search for the word "propitiation" in the ESV.  Grid, Verses, and Aligned views show 4 hits.  The datasheet actually displays 6 entries (two for Romans 3:25 and two for Hebrews 2:17).  Is that a bug or am I overlooking something?

I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I have reported it.

Thanks,
Melissa

Chris Elford said:

Beauty!!! Now, if that isn't worth the upgrade and indexing, I don't know what is.

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Bob Pritchett said:

When there are two things in a single labeled field the row is duplicated, so each instance can be sorted/grouped on its own. 

It isn't ideal, but the other solutions are even worse (not being able to find/sort on the second item?), so this is how the problem is typically handled in database displays of this sort.

We're open to alternate suggestions.

OK, now I see what you guys are doing. The datasheet on that search was based on the database from the ESV interlinear with has the article and the inifinitive in the same record as the English word propitiation.

You get different results when you do a morph search in a Greek text.

Very important to realize the difference when you are setting up your search. There are obviously strengths and weaknesses to searching an interlinear database.

Maybe there needs to be more work done on the interlinear database itself. Particularly with the articular infinitive when the article is tied more to the syntactical function than to the meaning of the word.

Interesting problem with results from interlinear databases . . . I'll have to think about this more.

Jon Rumble said:

I think I can handle a couple of hits being duplicated because of this but it really breaks down in the Septuagint...

Try for example, searching for βασιλευω in just one verse: Esther 4:14

4 forms x 5 lemmas x 4 parts of speech x 2 strong's numbers x 5 ?identical hits for each one? = 800 results in the Datasheet from one occurence of βασιλευω in one verse!

I think there may be other problems there, but can I suggest that after the hits have been sorted by the users's selected criteria; that the multiple hits for an individual verse thereafter are automatically clumped together and collapsed down.

There is not a bug in the datasheet or the search. It is a function of how the interlinear resource has been designed.

The datasheet is pulling every possible combination of the many fields that are in that lemma's entry in the LXX with Logos Morphology.

Notice that a search on a non-interlinear morphologically tagged text yields the expected results:

I think that once you understand how the different resources will produce different results, this becomes manageable . . . maybe even useful for some things, maybe?

You have to use interlinear texts for certain applications and non-interlinear texts for others.

This is not the most user friendly approach IMHO because it requires a lot of understanding of the different resources that is not necessarily self-evident.

I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions right now about how to improve it. I really haven't determined (in my understanding) if this is a feature or a weakness.

Russ,

that's a great idea!

Hey Dave,

Is there a listing of morphological query syntax operators anywhere?

I am trying to build a query to find all occurences of εἰς and an infinitive within 3 words.

So far I've got lemma:εἰς AND @V??N but I'm not sure how to limit within 3 words.

Thanks,

Russ

Cited by improvements...Love it! Thanks Logos!