What "Soon" means or at least approximately means would be helpful.
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Jerry M said:
The sign says no swimming, but someone's drowning! What to do, what to do.....
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Eric Weiss said:
Based on John's use of the word in The Revelation
... but to a hand grenade, soon is only 10 seconds. [:)]
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Eric Weiss said:
Based on John's use of the word in The Revelation, "soon" means "approximately 2,000 years (or more)."
That is only if you understand Jesus' coming to be a literal physical coming—or
20 Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you with me.Re 3.20
his coming in the Eucharist.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
That is only if you understand Jesus' coming to be a literal physical coming
Which reminds me... Are you ready for proofreading of your Revelation commentary yet?
[:D]
Donnie
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For this kind of debate, we have faithlife.com. Start a group, and invite others to come there to debate politics and scripture. Only those who choose to will even see the group.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Donnie Hale said:
Which reminds me... Are you ready for proofreading of your Revelation commentary yet?
Not yet. I have things pretty well arranged in my mind, but I don't suppose that you can read my mind. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Jack, don't you know...? Forum fires are like those trick birthday candles... you can blow and blow, and they just keep coming back to life! [:D]
And this week it seems like this cake's got more candles than Methusaleh's!
So have fun learning how to use all your new tools!!!!
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Ronald Quick said:
I know nothing is set in stone, but if I'm reading Phil's post correctly, the lowest cost will be around $150 for everything. I was hoping that "everything" for the crossgrade will be no more than $100. However, if the crossgrade includes resources and that increases the price, then I understand why it would be more.
What I am interested in is having access to all the new features and things that Logos 5 can do.
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David
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George, we've had some good relationships, and I hope for more: however, for you to post what you have on the Logos Bible Software Forums is truly scandalous. For us Christians only the Gospel should be scandalous, methinks.George Somsel said:Paul C said:
So did Romney.George Somsel said:Gore still lost.
Or can we expect another rigged supreme court decision?Yes, he did. Now, after 4 more years of this incompetent and traitorous administration, it may take another century to turn the ship of state in a more proper direction. BTW: The Supreme Court decision was correct.
Your post is totally offensive. There are many people from all over the world using Logos, and you are most certaininly diminishing their possible good experiences with the Logos Forums.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Your post is totally offensive. There are many people from all over the world using Logos, and you are most certaininly diminishing their possible good experiences with the Logos Forums.
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tom said:
The forums are not a place for theology/political conversations. For everyone who was participating in this conversation, please take this conversation elsewhere.
Thank you, Tom! I concur! Many people from around the world do not want to get involved in the politics of the United States.
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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In Christ,
Ken
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Schezic said:
I know it's difficult for you to understand, ( from your vantage point, across the pond ) But over here, republicans do not consider themselves bound by rules or guidelines...even when they profess to be well versed.Andy Evans said:Logos has requested that we do not engage in this kind of debate within their forums.
Your kind consideration will be greatly appreciated.
I'm not a republican. I'm a Christian... Born again by the blood of Jesus. Thanks
In HIS Eternal Service,
Tom Castle
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Andy Evans said:Tom Castle said:
My post count is misleading due to an email change.
Apologies, Tom, I should have realised this
I do actually recall reading your posts... It is getting late in the UK, or at least that is my excuse.Tom Castle said:At any rate, I've said my piece.
I do appreciate the temptation... The problem is that someone may equally be tempted to respond to your response. And then someone is tempted to respond to the response to your response. And then again someone is tempted to respond to the response to the response to your response...
And that is rarely helpful and rarely productive in the context of online forums. In all seriousness, I do sincerely appreciate your response... And apologise that I mistook you for a newbie (you have, no doubt, been around far longer than me).
Finally, for absolute clarity, I don't have an axe to grind. I am in the UK and am ill qualified to distinguish, much less adjudicate, between Republican and Democratic policy... Now if you want to talk about the Conservative Party, the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats, that is something else entirely
Blessings
No issues, my brother. I do know the rules regarding these discussions and I understand fully why impulse should be oppressed in these cases. I apologize for posting on this matter - HERE.. I do NOT apologize for what I said however.
In HIS Eternal Service,
Tom Castle
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Milford Charles Murray said:tom said:
The forums are not a place for theology/political conversations. For everyone who was participating in this conversation, please take this conversation elsewhere.
Thank you, Tom! I concur! Many people from around the world do not want to get involved in the politics of the United States.
I'm from the United States and don't want to get involved in the politics of the United States. :P
In HIS Eternal Service,
Tom Castle
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Milford Charles Murray said:tom said:
The forums are not a place for theology/political conversations. For everyone who was participating in this conversation, please take this conversation elsewhere.
Thank you, Tom! I concur! Many people from around the world do not want to get involved in the politics of the United States.
+1
Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
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EmileB said:
Jack, don't you know...? Forum fires are like those trick birthday candles... you can blow and blow, and they just keep coming back to life!
And this week it seems like this cake's got more candles than Methusaleh's!
Good analogy [:D]
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Milford Charles Murray said:
Your post is totally offensive. There are many people from all over the world using Logos, and you are most certaininly diminishing their possible good experiences with the Logos Forums.
George is not the only offender in this matter. There are equally offensive counter-posts. This is no place to air insults against either Democrats or Republicans.
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Thanks! This is good news. All I want is speed/performance, not too much into new resources unless I choose them myself and buy them. Hopefully L5 is faster and smoother than L4.
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Lord in love and perfect wisdom
times and seasons you arrange,
working out your changeless purpose
in a world of ceaseless change;
you have formed our ancient nation
guiding it through all the days
to unfold in it your purpose
to your glory and your praise.
*Timothy Rees (1874-1939)
The first two lines struck me very forcibly yesterday.
tootle pip
Mike
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Mike Binks said:
Lord in love and perfect wisdom
times and seasons you arrange,
Are you saying that Logos are the Lord's instruments in teaching us patience? Well my patience is being tested waiting for Logos to release the Logos 5 cross-grade... but I don't know if that is from the Lord [:|]
"I want to know all God's thoughts; the rest are just details." - Albert Einstein
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Phil Gons said:Graeme Adams said:
So, just to confirm we will have a cross-grade in a week?
No official commitment yet, but we're working on it now and could have it live on the website in the next week or two. Again, that's not a guarantee. That represents our current plans. We'll provide a concrete date as soon as it's available.
Graeme Adams said:Any indiction of costs for a 'full feature' cross-grade?
We're still working on the exact contents that the MCs will include. The smaller one, which might lack one or two features, will probably be between $75 and $150. The larger one, with all the features plus a few core resources, will probably be between $150 and $300, depending on which version of the software you're moving from. For Logos 4 users, it'll be on the lower end of those ranges. For Logos 3, it'll be a bit more expensive. For Logos 2 users, even more.
For Logos 5 Starter to Silver users who are just looking to pick up the missing features, it'll be significantly lower. Dynamic pricing will apply to both products, so the ownership discount will be applied as appropriate.
Okay, Phil, in your last statement it sounds like you are saying that those who bought the Start, Bronze, etc. of Logos 5 will be able to use the Crossgrade to get the missing features they want for much less than upgrading to Gold? And how much less are we talking? My mom has the Bronze Logos 5, but would like most to all of the missing features and data sets found in Gold. Would she be able to get those missing features and Data Sets then by buying the Crossgrade (she doesn't want any more books at this point, though)?
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I, for one, am very thankful for Logos delaying the crossgrade as much as possible.
Each week, they release another Logos5 update correcting various boo-boos.
It won't (pleasantly) suprise me if they release the crossgrade with 5.1 or even 5.2 (although the 5.3 planned changes might be a bit of a stretch).
EDIT: Just in case maybe some are not familiar with software development, typically changes, updates, corrections etc are 'booked' far into the future. This is why 'user voice' is so important ... you're voting on version 5.4 or maybe 5.5. (In the case of Mac users, it's version 5.7 or 5.8 with their 'bookings' being somewhat greater).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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There has been enough political back and forth for me on facebook, and other social media to overwhelm my intake quota for such things for at least 6 months.
In the end, we know that God is in charge of all, God raises up leaders, and God is not surprised. God has a plan.
Whether we voted for them or not, we still must respect them and pray for them.
This I think goes for both past and present leaders, and perhaps includes the founders of software companies!
Would be interested in hearing more about the pricing schema for the big cross grade - I have L4 scholars, but if it would be financially advantageous to do so, I might get 5 starter, and then the big cross grade... Or else an eventual upgrade to silver.
We shall see.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I would love to have been a beta tester - boo-boos aren't a problem for me. I have had jobs where my job is to break software.
I respectfully disagree that waiting is something we should be thankful for. It is what it is, but I don't have to like it...
But if I understood things correctly soon meant sometime this week - maybe tomorrow???
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George Somsel said:Eric Weiss said:
Based on John's use of the word in The Revelation, "soon" means "approximately 2,000 years (or more)."
That is only if you understand Jesus' coming to be a literal physical coming—or
20 Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you with me.
his coming in the Eucharist.
I don't think all these verses - or any of them - refer to the Eucharist:
Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen very soon (εν ταχει - from τάχος1). He made it clear by sending his angel to his servant John,
Revelation 2:16
Therefore, repent! If not, I will come against you quickly (ταχυ - from ταχύς2) and make war against those people with the sword of my mouth.
Revelation 3:11
I am coming soon (ταχυ). Hold on to what you have so that no one can take away your crown.
Revelation 11:14
The second woe has come and gone; the third is coming quickly (ταχυ).
Revelation 22:6
Then the angel said to me, “These words are reliable and true. The Lord,
the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his
servants what must happen soon (εν ταχει).”
Revelation 22:7
(Look! I am coming soon (ταχυ)! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy expressed in this book.)
Revelation 22:12
(Look! I am coming soon (ταχυ), and my reward is with me to pay each one according to what he has done!)
Revelation 22:20
The one who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon (ταχυ)!” Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!
1 τάχος, ους, τό
2 pert. to a relatively brief time subsequent to another point of time, εν ταχει as adverbial unit soon, in a short time...Rv 1:1; 22:6....
2 ταχύς, εια, ύ
1 ⓑ β. without delay, quickly, at once (though it is not always poss. to make a clear distinction betw. this mng. and the one in 2)....
This is prob. the place for the ερχεσθαι ταχύ of Rv: 2:5 v.l. (many
cursives and printed texts), 16; 3:11; 11:14; 22:7, 12, 20 (P-ÉLangevin,
Jésus Seigneur, ’67, 209–35).
2 pert. to a relatively brief time subsequent to another point of time, neut. sg. as adv. in a short time, soon (cp. 1bβ above and τάχος 2).
- Biblical Studies Press. (2006; 2006). The NET Bible First Edition;
Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible. Biblical Studies Press.
- Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English
lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd
ed.). (992-993) Chicago: University of Chicago Press.Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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Where's Matthew when we need him to define 'soon-er' (which periodically is later).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
Where's Matthew when we need him to define 'soon-er' (which periodically is later).
I was hoping this thread would go cold "soon-er or later." Preferably sooner.
Does that make me a Sooner-Day Saint? [6] Or maybe just a tad bit dispensational? [O]
Go Sooners![B] (American "football")
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DMB said:
Where's Matthew when we need him to define 'soon-er' (which periodically is later).
An interesting reference. Having done time in the State of Oklahoma, while acquiring an education and a wife, I know a little about Sooner history.
White men were going to be allowed to settle on and claim personal stakes of property on what had been Indian territory. Many lined up at the border awaiting the time when they could race to secure the best pieces of property.
Many started early to gain for themselves the best spots before the legal time. Those who jumped the gun were called Sooners. They got there sooner than the law allowed. It's interesting that this name and tradition is a cherished part of Oklahoma history.
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Didn't know that. All those years, we thought the 'north of the Red' people were coming down to Dallas to learn 'football'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Ladies and gentlemen, may I divert your attention to the upgrade page where the minimal crossgrade package has now emerged - $160 for all the new data sets and features. Nice!
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Caleb S. said:Phil Gons said:Graeme Adams said:
So, just to confirm we will have a cross-grade in a week?
No official commitment yet, but we're working on it now and could have it live on the website in the next week or two. Again, that's not a guarantee. That represents our current plans. We'll provide a concrete date as soon as it's available.
Graeme Adams said:Any indiction of costs for a 'full feature' cross-grade?
We're still working on the exact contents that the MCs will include. The smaller one, which might lack one or two features, will probably be between $75 and $150. The larger one, with all the features plus a few core resources, will probably be between $150 and $300, depending on which version of the software you're moving from. For Logos 4 users, it'll be on the lower end of those ranges. For Logos 3, it'll be a bit more expensive. For Logos 2 users, even more.
For Logos 5 Starter to Silver users who are just looking to pick up the missing features, it'll be significantly lower. Dynamic pricing will apply to both products, so the ownership discount will be applied as appropriate.
Okay, Phil, in your last statement it sounds like you are saying that those who bought the Start, Bronze, etc. of Logos 5 will be able to use the Crossgrade to get the missing features they want for much less than upgrading to Gold? And how much less are we talking? My mom has the Bronze Logos 5, but would like most to all of the missing features and data sets found in Gold. Would she be able to get those missing features and Data Sets then by buying the Crossgrade (she doesn't want any more books at this point, though)?
That is correct. You can now check out upgrade prices for Logos 5 Minimal Crossgrade (cf. also Logos 5 Core Datasets).
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