Voters .... Drivers .... Logos?

I'm headed over to Okie (Bennington) as soon as I get my jury duty over. Had a hammered dulcimer 'grand' made; was tested out and approved by a young okie (who's taking her father's place eventually).

Hopefully FaithLife will provide an avenue for increased female participation. My experience (don't know why!) is that women like to know the details, while men tend to be high-fliers. Logos 'should' be a hit soon enough.

tom

This last week's exciting news was that the majority of (US) voters were women. Yea!

Then for the first time since the invention of automobiles, most (US) drivers' licenses are for women. Yea!!

Okie dokie .... time for Logos-owners too!

(Love the phrase 'All quiet on the western front'.)

I can say that I have more female than male classmates in seminary.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423550#Comment_423550

I would love to see more women using Logos!

I would too. I suspect the majority of women who aren't Logos customers yet but are serious students of the Bible and might someday be potential Logos customers would be turned off by some of the stuff they have been marketing specifically for women. Fortunately they killed the "Women's Library" base package that existed for a while. It had all sorts of books about women's place being in the home, complementarianism, women's ministry, family, private devotions, "lite" Christian fiction, etc.

And the "Preaching and Teaching" section of the contents (which is was surprising to find there at all) was virtually empty, just a book of famous Quotations and two other such items. The implication being that women shouldn't be preaching or teaching anyway so what do they need meaty books for? It was basically a dumbed down package. I found it kind of insulting and am glad it was never pushed on the main base packages page, and am glad it has disappeared into oblivion since the roll-out of L5. Can't even access its contents in Google cache anymore.

Philana Crouch

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423653#Comment_423653

I would love to see more women using Logos!

I would too. I suspect the majority of women who aren't Logos customers yet but are serious students of the Bible and might someday be potential Logos customers would be turned off by some of the stuff they have been marketing specifically for women. Fortunately they killed the "Women's Library" base package that existed for a while. It had all sorts of books about women's place being in the home, complementarianism, women's ministry, family, private devotions, "lite" Christian fiction, etc.

I would agree...one book I've appreciated is the book Preaching God's Word because it doesn't assume that the student reading the book is male. While in seminary I working on my Mdiv I purchased a Scholars base package...and loved it. I am a serious student of the Bible, and because of the resources and tools, I choose Logos. I even reviewed Logos Series X for my seminary academic journal. I would not have been interested in anything in the Woman's Library. I want solidly scholarly works, by both men and women scholars, not books that don't' stretch my mind.

tom

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423653#Comment_423653

I would love to see more women using Logos!

I would too. I suspect the majority of women who aren't Logos customers yet but are serious students of the Bible and might someday be potential Logos customers would be turned off by some of the stuff they have been marketing specifically for women. Fortunately they killed the "Women's Library" base package that existed for a while. It had all sorts of books about women's place being in the home, complementarianism, women's ministry, family, private devotions, "lite" Christian fiction, etc.

And the "Preaching and Teaching" section of the contents (which is was surprising to find there at all) was virtually empty, just a book of famous Quotations and two other such items. The implication being that women shouldn't be preaching or teaching anyway so what do they need meaty books for? It was basically a dumbed down package. I found it kind of insulting and am glad it was never pushed on the main base packages page, and am glad it has disappeared into oblivion since the roll-out of L5. Can't even access its contents in Google cache anymore.

I too am glad that this package no longer exists. This "library" was simply horrible if you asked me. Thus Rosie, you are not the only one to find this package simply insulting to women.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423717#Comment_423717

I'm usually too mouthy, but on the Women's Package I kept my keyboard quiet.

I'm not a fan of FaithLife, but I still think it offers a significant solution to encouraging women (and men) plus young adults to study together. My impression is that women read alone and study together.

I haven't upgraded to L5 yet, but having looked at Mark's video etc, I think L5's going to go a LONG ways in making Logos more usable for non-experts. Really a good improvement.

I don't know Logos' thinking, but my impression is they're really making some heavy investments to improve Bible study in the churches. I just hope they're successful.

Wes Saad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423766#Comment_423766

I would prefer for Logos' packages and resources to continue to reflect the biblical, complementarian position, but I do realize Logos isn't trying to reach just one portion of the market.

Robert M. Warren

This last week's exciting news was that the majority of (US) voters were women. Yea!

With credit goes blame.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423787#Comment_423787

This last week's exciting news was that the majority of (US) voters were women. Yea!

With credit goes blame.

OUCH! [6]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423766#Comment_423766

My impression is that women read alone and study together.

Very astute. My wife reads alone and is studying this hour with a lot of other ladies. My mother also reads alone and taught a Bible study group last night.

I don't know Logos' thinking, but my impression is they're really making some heavy investments to improve Bible study in the churches. I just hope they're successful.

Me too.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423843#Comment_423843

My impression is that women read alone and study together.

Very astute. My wife reads alone and is studying this hour with a lot of other ladies.

I read alone, and often study alone, but I also study together with men and women. I've never been in a "ladies" study group except once when I attended a single session of BSF (Bible Study Fellowship) which separates the men from the women. It turned me off so much. I've learned so much by being able to dialogue about the Scriptures with people of both genders. Separating out the teaching sessions made it seem like they thought women were somehow unable to deal with the meatier topics. Or that men should never be subjected to women's ideas about Scripture, not even in a small group discussion time, because the women might lead the men astray (if that were the case, why aren't we worried about women leading each other astray?).

I am currently in a small prayer group that is all women, but as it so happens all three of us have preached, one is a seminary professor, and one is an elder at her church. So we certainly don't confine ourselves to "women's" issues when we talk. And I have other opportunities to interact with and learn together with men, which have been most enriching all around.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423780#Comment_423780

I would prefer for Logos' packages and resources to continue to reflect the biblical, complementarian position, but I do realize Logos isn't trying to reach just one portion of the market.

I don't mind if Logos resources include the biblical complementarian position, as long as they also include the biblical egalitarian position. [:p]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424275#Comment_424275

Or that men should never be subjected to women's ideas about Scripture

I think it is more about differences in approach and perspective. Maybe not so much looking down on the women's Bible study groups.

they also include the biblical egalitarian position.

I like eagles. [Y]

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/423653#Comment_423653

I suspect the majority of women who aren't Logos customers yet but are serious students of the Bible and might someday be potential Logos customers would be turned off by some of the stuff they have been marketing specifically for women.

[Y]

Fortunately they killed the "Women's Library" base package that existed for a while. It had all sorts of books about women's place being in the home, complementarianism, women's ministry, family, private devotions, "lite" Christian fiction, etc.

Must have missed that. Sounds like I should be glad I did.[:)]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424456#Comment_424456

Anne was a midwife,
and very helpful to those needing her assistance, as well as
forthcoming with her personal religious understandings. Soon she was
hosting women at her house weekly, providing commentary on recent
sermons, and these meetings became so popular, that she offered meetings
for men as well, to include the young governor of the colony, Henry Vane.
As a follower of Cotton, she espoused a "covenant of grace," while
accusing all of the local ministers (except for Cotton and her husband's
brother-in-law, John Wheelwright)
of preaching a "covenant of works." Following complaints of many
ministers about the opinions coming from Hutchinson and her allies, the
situation erupted into what is commonly called the Antinomian
Controversy, resulting in her 1637 trial, conviction, and banishment
from the colony, followed by a March 1638 church trial in which she was
excommunicated.

wikipedia

Remember Anne Marbury Hutchinson

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424483#Comment_424483

VERY nice.

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424483#Comment_424483

wikipedia

Remember Anne Marbury Hutchinson

Wikipedia is interesting. Seems her descendants include FDR, the Bush's, and a certain Mitt Romney, and her ancestors Charlemagne, Charles Martel, Alfred the Great, Edward Longshanks, Empress Mathilda, Eleanor of Aquitaine and William the Conqueror. That's some family tree! [:D] You must be related, one way or another, to just about everyone in Europe who 'is someone'.

So, where exactly do you fit in on https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/0/02/Hutchinson_pedigree.jpg? I see a couple of Martha's in one line, and I seem to remember you saying that name has run in the family for a long time?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/427532#Comment_427532

Quite true - there is a reason why my niece's middle name is Marbury. Follow the thread and you'll find a member of the first class of the first college for women in the US - of course, we blame it all on Rev. Marbury who educated Anne.[;)] Great aunt Harriet who lived in the Boston area got Boston to revoke/commute Anne's banishment in the late 1940's. It took another 40 years to get a pardon from the state which poor Aunt Harriet didn't live to see - despite living to 99. But don't worry, we also descend from the Salem witch, Rebecca Nurse[:D] I enjoyed the time I spent in Boston but I'm not sure Boston likes our family.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/427540#Comment_427540

But don't worry, we also descend from the Salem witch, Rebecca Nurse

The story I have heard was that just less than half the town voted against the new pastor. His daughter accused all that had voted against her father of being witches. They must have been witches otherwise they would have backed her saintly father. And her DEMON of a father / pastor had them hung for voting against him. Good God fearing victims that died at the hands of an Antichrist. They lost but they fought the good fight! Good stock to have as ancestors!

Then that pastor and others went after some in nearby towns. It was stopped dead in its tracks by true Christian leaders that would not put up with that foolishness.

Not one TRUE WITCH was harmed – just people that did not accept the new pastor.