Bible Search

I copied the example of an OT search "ot-quote:light" to the Find edit box in a Bible Search looking at All Bible Text in ALL Passages in my top bibles (ESV, NIV84,NIV,NLT,NASB95) and found no verses. I also tried ot-quote:day and ot-quote:the and found no verses. This field does not appear to be working. The only item checked in the search drop-down menu is for Show Whole Verses. Any ideas or successes?

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Todd Phillips

Try searching "All Bibles". It seems that only certain bibles are tagged with ot-quotes, and the only English one is the HCSB:

Robert S. Ogle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424720#Comment_424720

Thanks, Todd.

I have two follow-up questions for Logos. 1) Will other English bibles be getting these tags in the future and 2) if some bibles do not have tags for certain searches, why is a message to that effect not appearing to alert the user that this feature is not available for this bible(s)?

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424823#Comment_424823

I have two follow-up questions for Logos. 1) Will other English bibles be getting these tags in the future

Tagging of Bibles is very non-standardized. The searchable fields vary a great deal from one Bible to another. I have not heard that Logos is actively retagging Bibles to make the tagging more uniform.

2) if some bibles do not have tags for certain searches, why is a message to that effect not appearing to alert the user that this feature is not available for this bible(s)?

Well I suppose it might be that Logos thinks that when you get no results you'd conclude that or at least check the resource to see if you could search it that way. From a new user standpoint I can see the current lack of info leads to questions and confusion. Maybe Logos would be open to the suggestion. The Suggestion Forum is the best place to do this.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424851#Comment_424851

I have two follow-up questions for Logos. 1) Will other English bibles be getting these tags in the future

Tagging of Bibles is very non-standardized. The searchable fields vary a great deal from one Bible to another. I have not heard that Logos is actively retagging Bibles to make the tagging more uniform.

"OT passages quoted in the NT" is a feature of the print HCSB, and that is probably why it is a part of the electronic version of that particular resource.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424854#Comment_424854

"OT passages quoted in the NT" is a feature of the print HCSB, and that is probably why it is a part of the electronic version of that particular resource.

Undoubtedly, and you bring up a good point. There is only so much Logos can accurately add to the text.

As another example the NIV2011 edition has something called "Later Text Addition" which the ESV, NASB95, KJV1900, and others lack. While I don't have the NIV2011 in print form I'll bet that feature is traceable back to the print copy. That would be a challenge to try to add to Bibles that don't have that data in the text in some form.

The presence of red letters for Christ's words depend on them existing in the print version of the Bible.

Tagging is consistent with what is in each print edition, but very inconsistent across versions. There seem to be four-six fairly common tagging types applied to all Bibles. Beyond that, as far as I see, the tagging must be original resource dependent.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424859#Comment_424859

As another example the NIV2011 edition has something called "Later Text Addition" which the ESV, NASB95, KJV1900, and others lack.

You have to dig around to find similar information, but the ESV has a field called Translator's Note which contains searchable keywords like "some manuscripts add", "some manuscripts insert", "some manuscripts omit". NET also has the field with different keywords. You can make appropriate Visual Filters with these keywords.

Robert S. Ogle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424851#Comment_424851

Thanks, Mark.

How do you check the resource to see what tags it has?

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424930#Comment_424930

Hi Robert

How do you check the resource to see what tags it has?

If you use it as the object of a Basic Search and click on the "All Text" field at the top of the search panel you can see the options available. This is shown on the left of the screenshot below (you may need to click on it to expand it).

The same information is available by clicking on the small "i" at the top right-hand side of a resource and opening the information panel - as shown on the right.

Graham

Robert S. Ogle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/424935#Comment_424935

Thanks, Graham

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425127#Comment_425127

Thanks, Graham

You're very welcome Robert.