The Clause Search is Awesome

I was studying Mat 19.22 where Jesus asks the young ruler to follow him. I thought this would be a good clause search:

person:Jesus verb-lemma:ἀκολουθέω

The results include Jesus referred to as Him to those that followed The Lamb in Revelation. Here is a screen shot of the verse and analysis views. This feature alone is worth at least the minimal upgrade to L5 and running it on a Mac is truly a joy.

Note how sorting the analysis view by Subject identifies those following.

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T Gerold Castle

Hey, John... I'd appreciate your input over on http://community.logos.com/forums/t/59780.aspx

John Fidel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425422#Comment_425422

I posted there in hopes of providing some examples and clarity Tom. Let me know if you need further input... Just so you know, we are all learning this and in doing so there are some ah-ha moments.

T Gerold Castle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425459#Comment_425459

Thank you VERY much.

André Kamphuis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425462#Comment_425462

I do agree, it is an amazing feature, even though (subjective) choices are made in creating the database. Take e.g. this one from Acts 8:2. Is it supposed to mean that Paul (Saul) was among the devout people who mourned about Stephen?

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425617#Comment_425617

I do agree, it is an amazing feature, even though (subjective) choices are made in creating the database. Take e.g. this one from Acts 8:2. Is it supposed to mean that Paul (Saul) was among the devout people who mourned about Stephen?

To me this looks like a mistake in tagging. Here is a picture seeing the ESV, it seems even more clear that this does not include Paul and the "him" is really Stephen.

Ben Anderson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425617#Comment_425617

I do agree, it is an amazing feature, even though (subjective) choices are made in creating the database. Take e.g. this one from Acts 8:2. Is it supposed to mean that Paul (Saul) was among the devout people who mourned about Stephen?

Definitely a mistake in tagging. No one was mourning over Saul since he hadn't died. I don't have L5 yet. Did you try "person:stephen?"

Ben

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425698#Comment_425698

Did you try "person:Stephen?"

Yes - Stephen is not tagged at this same point. Confirms it's a tag mistake.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425617#Comment_425617

even though (subjective) choices are made in creating the database. Take e.g. this one from Acts 8:2. Is it supposed to mean that Paul (Saul) was among the devout people who mourned about Stephen?

As others have noted this is an error in tagging. For such things, you should send an email to data@logos.com (Believe that is the correct address)

Rick Ratzlaff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425808#Comment_425808

I wondered about this feature when I saw it. Don't get me wrong, I love my Logos, and have sold many copies. However in my old age, I getting more skeptical.

The value of this is PROBABLY completely contingent on the SCOLARLLY talent of those doing the tagging, and their theological bent, (liberal or reformed).

So the integrity of the tagging will probably have to be "Berean'ed" [:)]

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425821#Comment_425821

The value of this is PROBABLY completely contingent on the SCOLARLLY talent of those doing the tagging, and their theological bent, (liberal or reformed).

So the integrity of the tagging will probably have to be "Berean'ed"

You are correct, with one exception: Did you really mean that if I am not Calvinist, I am liberal?

Any Bible helps need to be "Berean'ed". They are all done by human beings, and there has never been but one perfect human, and they crucified Him.

Peter Venable

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425698#Comment_425698

Take e.g. this one from Acts 8:2. Is it supposed to mean that Paul (Saul) was among the devout people who mourned about Stephen?

This is definitely a tagging error. I'll make sure it gets corrected.

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425617#Comment_425617

I do agree, it is an amazing feature, even though (subjective) choices are made in creating the database. Take e.g. this one from Acts 8:2. Is it supposed to mean that Paul (Saul) was among the devout people who mourned about Stephen?

As others have noted, this is a mistake in the annotation, specifically on the verb "made". The best way to see directly how something is annotated is to use the context menu or the Information panel.

I
wondered about this feature when I saw it. Don't get me wrong, I love
my Logos, and have sold many copies. However in my old age, I getting
more skeptical.

The
value of this is PROBABLY completely contingent on the SCOLARLLY talent
of those doing the tagging, and their theological bent, (liberal or
reformed).

So the integrity of the tagging will probably have to be "Berean'ed"

I'd agree that the quality of the annotation is dependent on the skill of the annotator, and by all means you should "Berean" it. However, we've tried our best to keep theology out of things like the referent data (which clause search uses): these are primarily linguistic facts, not theological ones (within our focus on our customer base). Whether it's "devout men" (the correct analysis) or Paul (as we incorrectly annotated this case) is a decision most informed readers of the text ought to be able to make, regardless of their theological perspective.

T Gerold Castle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/425854#Comment_425854

The value of this is PROBABLY completely contingent on the SCOLARLLY talent of those doing the tagging, and their theological bent, (liberal or reformed).

So the integrity of the tagging will probably have to be "Berean'ed"

You are correct, with one exception: Did you really mean that if I am not Calvinist, I am liberal?

Any Bible helps need to be "Berean'ed". They are all done by human beings, and there has never been but one perfect human, and they crucified Him.

I thought the same thing, Jack. This would be the first time that my admittedly Arminian, Pentecostal-Holiness self would be called 'liberal'. :P