Torah Reading Plan
I am the Torah reader for a Messianic Congregation. Is there any plan to include a reading schedule to coincide with the weekly Parasha?
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Paul,
Make contact with Phil Gons - pgons (at) logos.com. He should be able to put you in contact with someone to help organise such a lectionary...
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Damian,
How do I contact him?
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That was his email address - disguised to stop spammers scraping the site:
pgons (at) logos.com
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thanks, I should have figured that out.
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Paul Schack said:
I am the Torah reader for a Messianic Congregation. Is there any plan to include a reading schedule to coincide with the weekly Parasha?
I'm close to finished with a spreadsheet of data that Logos may use if they want. It contains:
- Parasha (1 year cycle, 7 aliyot, maftir torah)
- Parasha (3 year cycle, 7 aliyot, maftir torah)
- Waiting to receive information - midweek Torahs
- Haftarah for 1 year cycle (Ashkenazic, Shephardic, Italian, Yemenite, Karaite)
- Still deciding on including use of Tehillim
- Still searching for non-copyrighted Messianic Jewish readings (or permission to use)
- Have permission to present the Gospels paralleled to Parasha from a scholar who suspects that the Gospels were written with the Jewish reading cycle in mind
Anything you think I'm missing? Yes, I know I can't include every possible permuation but I am trying to be useful to a wide swath.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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M.J.
That looks very ambitious and very useful. How soon before you could get that user - ready? Is is already in some other form that might be made available to other MJ Congs?
Shalom
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Ron Corbett said:
Is is already in some other form that might be made available to other MJ Congs?
The non-bold items and the under-copyright Messianic readings are in Excel but not proof-read. I'm am also working on some historical Lutheran lections with morning/evening prayer readings. As to when they will be available, I don't know. Logos 4 do not currently provide for user generated data and, as you may have seen, Logos has expressed an interest. We simply have to wait and see how timing works out. Logos has committed to a fair amount of added features in the first 2 quarters of next year.
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One thing you want to add is the special reading for holidays.
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Paul Schack said:
One thing you want to add is the special reading for holidays.
You are absolutely correct; I don't know why it didn't occur to me when I made the original list. I do have much of the material for it.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Let me know if I can help. It sounds like it will take a while but I'd be glad to help. Most of my material in hard copy, TIkkun, etc. But I would be glad to assist the project.
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Thank you. I have left you a message on your Logos page (just click on your name) with my email adress.
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I sent an e-mail to you yesterday. Let me know if you need help with the Holiday readings.
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This sounds very interesting; today I use an appendix in "The Complete Jewish Bible" by David Stern, having this in Logos would be wonderful.
BTW - Logos has the Jewish New Testament and the Jewish New Testament commentary - not sure why they did not complete the set and add in the Complete Jewish Bible?
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this would be wonderful! there are many of us who would find this quite useful!
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HowardSilverman said:
this would be wonderful! there are many of us who would find this quite useful!
I am one who would.
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Has their been any forward movement to this? There are an ever-increasing number of Christians who are reading the Torah portions alongside Judaism. We've been doing it for over 10 years now. I would really like to see this integrated. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help get this going. Thanks!
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MJ. Smith said:
Have permission to present the Gospels paralleled to Parasha from a scholar who suspects that the Gospels were written with the Jewish reading cycle in mind
Wow! That sounds interesting! Do you have anything more on this while we wait for Logos? A web link? A book title? Or at least the scholar's name?
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fgh said:MJ. Smith said:
Have permission to present the Gospels paralleled to Parasha from a scholar who suspects that the Gospels were written with the Jewish reading cycle in mind
Wow! That sounds interesting! Do you have anything more on this while we wait for Logos? A web link? A book title? Or at least the scholar's name?
Is there a reason you would not wish to use the traditional parasha? Here is a site which has a listing
george
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George Somsel said:fgh said:MJ. Smith said:
Have permission to present the Gospels paralleled to Parasha from a scholar who suspects that the Gospels were written with the Jewish reading cycle in mind
Wow! That sounds interesting! Do you have anything more on this while we wait for Logos? A web link? A book title? Or at least the scholar's name?
Is there a reason you would not wish to use the traditional parasha? Here is a site which has a listing
http://www.yashanet.com/shabbat/parsha.htm
If you are looking for NT readings to coincide with the parasha, I would suggest checking a lectionary to see what is used with them. Unfortunately, it appears that today's reading is Ex 27.20-30.10 which doesn't seem to appear in either the Catholic Lectionary or the RCL. In such cases it may be necessary to supply your own gospel and other readings to go with the Torah readings such as Mt 5.13-16. For the robes in this passage it might be appropriate to read something like Re 3.14-22.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
If you are looking for NT readings to coincide with the parasha, I would suggest checking a lectionary to see what is used with them.
There are also several Messianic lectionaries which provide one or two NT readings to complement the traditional Jewish readings. Most of these are 1 year but I think I have a 3 year versions as well.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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i am familiar with at least two or three one year calendars with the traditional torah reading, Haftorah reading and a corresponding passage from the NT for a one year cycle. i will ask the authors if they would allow their calendar to be used. after that someone with more tech. knowledge and more Logos knowledge would have to put it together electronically.
howard silverman
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Whatever form these resources finally take, I'm very interested. I'm particularly interested in the 3 (3 1/2) year cycles. I have found info here-and-there that the original cycle was probably a 3 1/2 year cycle and I think this reasoning has merit. Nevertheless, I participate in a one year cycle. The advantage of such is obvious--covering the Torah fully each year. But the disadvantage is that we often don't finish the portion even after our 4 hour meeting, and we rarely get to the Haftarah much less the B'riytth Hhadaashaah portion. A three year cycle would allow for a thoroughness not possible with the one-year cycle.
Proceed with my blessing, MJ...and my thanks. [Y]
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i have two files - one is a three year plan and one is a one yer plan. i was nto able to send these files to this forum - but if you e-mail me i will be happy to send them to you.
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Has anyone put this into a Logos Reading Schedule format yet? I am very interested, but do not understand how Logos does its reading schedule, or I would create my own.
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I know that Logos is working on releasing at least 2 more lectionaries. They do not include these. And no, I do not know the target release dates.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Darren Huckey said:
Has anyone put this into a Logos Reading Schedule format yet?
At this time, all of the lectionary reading cycles are going through Logos.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Darren Huckey said:
Has anyone put this into a Logos Reading Schedule format yet?
At this time, all of the lectionary reading cycles are going through Logos.
A parashot lectionary could be very useful. For commercial reasons I would let the user choose whether to include the NT or not.
If such a lectionary was made available I would start using it today.
Kudos to MJ
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Well, it's been about a year on this...has there been an offering yet?
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Don Barber said:
Well, it's been about a year on this...has there been an offering yet?
If you'd go to church once in a while, you'd know that they almost never fail to take an offering. [;)] [:D] (Sorry, couldn't resist)
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Yes, I'm still interested.
Oh, and if it wouldn't be too much trouble (LOL), could you please make it available in L3 format. Thanks! [:D]
Btw, this will be automatically adjusted to the sighting of the 'abhiybh moon, correct? [;)]
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I presume you know about the user created one in the Files forum?
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Nope. Anyone have a link?
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Don Barber said:
Anyone have a link?
Is there a particular reason you couldn't look in the Files forum yourself, or do you just consider my time less valuable than your own? It's on the first page so you could easily have found it in the same time it took you to write that post.
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On the contrary, I did look and did not find it, perhaps I‘m a newbie and didn’t know I should be looking for “Parashah”. Non-the-less, I am an employer and am very aware of people’s time and the value thereof. I don’t know you, so I have no way of knowing if your time is in fact more valuable than mine. I do know what you do for His kingdom has great value and I for one am grateful that you perhaps gave your knowledge and effort for my benefit and His glory. However, if you would like me to provide a reimbursement - that too is understandable. I’m willing to pay the industry standard rate for this service you have provided. Just tell me how much and where to send it.
Thank you,
Don
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lololol
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Don Barber said:
On the contrary, I did look and did not find it, perhaps I‘m a newbie and didn’t know I should be looking for “Parashah”.
Don, one of the things one finds consistently in the forums is that what is obvious to one group of users draws a complete blank from another set of users. It becomes painfully obvious that different traditions and interests give us different pools of knowledge. Then we ask a question that makes others assume we know something we don't know, or we use a term in a way that isn't expected ... (witness myself and Super Tramp trying to get each other to understand what we each mean by the term "canon"). I, like fgh, would have erroneously assumed you knew the readings were called 'Parashah' if you asked for a Jewish list, 'Lessons' if you asked for an Anglican list and 'Lections' if you asked a Catholic. Or pericope, reading, passage .... I've checked. Even a thesaurus wouldn't help much in this case.[:P]
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First of all, I appreciate all the work you are doing (on many fronts) for Logos as a "MVP".
The small amount I've seen is very impressive. Thanks!
I'd like to see your mentioned spreadsheet.
It turns out what we "call" a "triennial cycle" in the "Palestinian Tradition" was most likely a "twice in several years" "somewhat flexible" cycle.
This is the Torah Cycle Jesus and the early church most likely followed. The best work I know that is available is a text by Jacob Mann called The Bible As Read and Preached in the Old Synagogue originally intended to be 3 volumes. Mann published Vol 1. His student(s) Vol 2. Vol. 3 was never published. Ii any event, it is the single best work we have on what was most lilkey the Torah of Jesus and the early Hebrew believers in Israel (that became to be know as Palestinian).
I have a developing spreadsheet and PDF based on Mann's work. I don't see a way to "attach" such files to this forum.
Rob Wilson
Teaching Elder, Church of the Messiah
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There is a Files forum specifically for sharing such things. Use the paperclip icon (after link/unlink) to attach a file. Thanks for the reference - I'll check it out.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you for working on this. I have another resource that might help:
http://torahportions.org/thisweek/It is my hope that First Fruits of Zion's Torah Club commentaries and other resources might someday be available in Logos.
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Did we ever get a weekly pareshah reading plan in the lectionary? Sorry if this is a dumb question, Logos functionality can be overwhelming sometimes. I have the Messianic Diamond package so if there is a lectionary I probably have it but am not really sure where to look.
I noticed this thread started over 10 years ago so fingers crossed!
-Jeremiah
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Not an official one
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